So 10 million people have sent me this letter
and video by a Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche,
a European fella,
who is arguing that our approach to vaccination,
mass vaccination, with a "prophylactic vaccine"
during a pandemic is going to destroy civilization
and mankind as a species.
This is more or less literally what he says in this
and it's terrifying and there's big scientific words
and he makes this very compelling sounding case
that everything we're doing is wrong.
What I'm going to do today
is tell you why actually his very case
makes the case for why mass vaccination
is the answer to solving this pandemic
and preventing exactly what he's saying.
All right, let's start at the beginning.
Who is this guy?
So if you've seen the video, again,
a million people have sent it to me,
he presents himself, or is presented
as a world vaccine expert
whose credibility and legacy is being put on the line
because he's making a dissenting statement
and in his letter that he released on LinkedIn and Twitter,
which as we know
are the highest quality scientific journals,
he says something to the effect of nobody's listening,
all the vested interests want mass vaccination.
They need to prove me wrong before another vaccine is given.
They need to halt the global campaign
of mass vaccination or else.
Now, of course, this is insanity
because you don't come out as a dissenter
and say prove me wrong,
or else halt everything you're doing.
Falsify me, no, the burden is on you
to prove that you're right, brother.
And this is what he's saying.
First of all, who is he?
This is important because people can, you can always,
and it's important because the anti-vax crowd
has taken this guy and elevated him, of course,
'cause his sentiment is entirely anti-current vaccine,
even though he starts his whole screed by saying,
"I am not an anti-vaxxer,"
which by the way should be a trigger for you
that every single anti-vaxxer starts their statement
with that statement.
Whereas you will never hear Paul Offit
start his statement with, "I'm not an anti-vaxxer but,"
because he doesn't need to,
because everyone knows his vaccine credentials, right?
So this guy is being trumpeted as an expert, but who is he?
He's a veterinary medicine doctor,
so he's not a human doctor,
but he does have post-doctoral training and PhD in virology.
He's worked in various institutions
including the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,
Gavi, and as project managers and supervisors
in certain pharmaceutical companies in the vaccine space.
So he has experienced in vaccines,
there's no doubt about it.
Is he a world expert on it?
Well, it's impossible to tell
because he hasn't really published extensively on vaccines
that I can find.
He's done conferences and things like that,
but he claims he has this thing in the works
for a natural killer cell vaccine
but I can't seem to find any patents or anything like that.
Now prove me wrong on that. That's fine.
So let's assume he has some credentials, even though again,
and remember it fits this narrative
of this very romantic figure of the mad vaccine scientist
who no one's listening to who's right about this thing.
Now what's he saying he's right about
and the rest of the world is wrong?
He's saying that when you have a pandemic
and the coronavirus is replicating everywhere,
things like lockdowns, viral mitigation, things like masks,
trying to slow the spread of the virus
and vaccines are gonna cause the opposite effect
because what you're doing is you're preventing people
from developing natural immunity
that isn't necessarily purely antibody based,
it has other aspects of innate immunity
like natural killer cells and T-cells and things like that
that can prevent infection
and we should be allowing that.
Basically his philosophy is let it rip.
He actually calls it a harmless virus,
so now already you can start to go well, okay,
so can this guy be right about it being a harmless virus
when half or more than half a million Americans are dead
and then also be right about what he's saying.
So start to question logically the cohesion
of what he's saying, right?
So he's saying it's a harmless virus,
it ought to just be allowed to basically replicate
and then we should use other strategies
like his natural killer cell vaccine,
which isn't developed, isn't offered,
and isn't ready and may not even be a thing.
So that's his take.
And he says, by vaccinating, during a pandemic,
what you're doing is you're saying,
okay, the virus is everywhere.
It's not like the virus is rare
and we're trying to prevent a rare virus.
We're vaccinating in the midst
of a rapidly replicating virus.
What you're doing is you're creating an antibody defense
with the vaccine that he claims does not prevent the virus
from actually replicating in vaccinated people,
does not prevent asymptomatic shedding of virus
in vaccinated people,
and therefore, you are putting selective
evolutionary pressure on the virus
to evade the vaccine defense and mutate,
and you select for mutations that then escape vaccine,
these vaccine escape variants.
And he's saying in the setting of this,
when there's so much viral replication,
the vaccine is going to encourage these variants to occur
and these variants are going to be vastly more dangerous,
deadly and plague-like
than the current natural pandemic
which should have just been allowed basically to unfold
is what you're reading
between the lines of what he's saying.
And therefore, mass vaccination is a crime, more or less,
he's saying, he's actually saying that directly,
and we need to halt it immediately
because it's gonna cause disaster.
And then he gets into very microscopic details
of, okay, here's the natural killer cell response.
He makes a few claims in this that we need to talk about.
Are they true?
The first claim
is that the vaccines do not prevent or reduce even,
he's saying, asymptomatic transmission
in people who are vaccinated
or viral replication in people who are vaccinated.
This is just wrong.
So the data and especially data out of Israel, et cetera,
in real-world applications,
show that asymptomatic transmission plummets,
and of course, viral replication is going to drop
in a properly vaccinated person
because you're binding antibodies
that you've made because you've got vaccinated
to the spike protein with very high affinity
and you're preventing the virus from entering cells
and you're actually activating aspects
of your immune system, which I'm going to talk about,
that prevent the virus from replicating.
So that premise that he's operating on,
I mean, maybe it's true in animals,
because he is a veterinarian, right?
But in humans, no.
And this idea that the vaccine
doesn't prevent replication is not correct.
In which case, one of the fundamental pillars
of what he's saying is,
well, you're vaccinating people,
you're preventing them from getting sick with this variant
but you're allowing it still to replicate
and thereby escape the vaccine and generate new variants.
That's just not true.
Now he's right in that,
if you partially vaccinate a population
or partially vaccinate an individual,
then you absolutely allow
for partial viral replication in that person
because they don't have full immunity
or in that population because there are a lot of people
who aren't vaccinated.
So what's gonna happen?
More viral replication,
which means more chance for the emergent of variants.
Note this, the variants that have emerged so far
emerged in the absence of vaccine pressure,
without any vaccine pressure those already emerged,
more contagious variants.
And the study so far
with the existing mRNA vaccines, for example,
show that even though these vaccines
bind with less affinity to the new variants,
they still clinically work.
They still actually prevent severe disease
and hospitalization, which is what you care about.
So this idea of rapid viral vaccine escape
has not been shown so far.
Now, could it happen? Absolutely.
Does he have a point
in that you want to reduce viral replication
as much as possible to prevent a vaccine escape?
Yes.
So how do you do that?
Vaccinate as many people as possible,
as quickly as possible,
to lower the pool of circulating virus.
Then when variants emerge, which eventually they will,
'cause that's what RNA viruses do, they mutate,
you can develop a booster vaccine
in the next year or whatever and knock those out.
And in the process, so there's several things here,
he forgets that it's not just antibodies
that these vaccines promote,
he's a big fan of the innate immune system,
this sort of adjunct part of the immune system,
T-cells, natural killer cells, interferon, things like that,
that we've talked about on the show.
These vaccines, these new vaccines,
actually promote T-helper cell responses
that actually are much broader than just the antibodies.
That's why they still work
even when the antibody affinity
for new mutant variants is lessened.
They still have this robust T-cell response.
Remember in the early pandemic
we were talking about why is it
that some people don't seem to get that sick
from coronavirus?
And the thought was,
well because they have pre-existing T-cell response
from prior coronavirus exposures,
even though the antigens are different,
the T-cell memory is still there.
That's why people in say the slums of Mumbai
weren't dying of coronavirus
at the rates that people in the West were,
they're exposed to these things all the time.
They have this T-cell memory, this innate immunity, right?
Well, turns out the vaccines provide some of that as well,
yet another reason.
And why do you think you get these heavy duty fevers,
muscle aches, and those kinds of things from the vaccine?
It's all that innate immune system firing up.
So the idea then that the vaccines are the wrong answer
and what he's advocating is stop it
and let hundreds of thousands or millions of people die
from a harmless virus because you might promote variants,
do you understand why this is insane now?
It makes no sense.
Now you should listen to the guy because even,
and this is the other thing, this is the other thing.
He keeps saying, nobody's listening,
nobody's talking about this, nobody's,
and if you watch his video
where he got interviewed by another European dude,
by the way, the accents are very compelling,
you just go, these guys must be smart, right?
Because if a dumb American with like some hick accent
went and said, well, now the thing about these variants,
people are going to be like, well, I don't believe him
because that's how people work.
They work on appearances.
But you know, Geert Vanden Bossche says, listen,
we are near catastrophe now.
Everybody is going to die
if we don't listen to me, it's madness.
It's pure madness.
I'm the only scientist out of billions.
I'm the only vaccine scientist.
Forget the other vaccine scientists, which are 99.9,
nine out of 10 dentists agree
but I'm the 10th dentist
that says this toothpaste will give you plaque.
Forget about removing plaque, it will give you plaque,
and you kind of believe him, right?
(laughs)
You see why I get?
Now people are scared to get vaccinated, right?
This idea that the vaccine itself
will actually jazz up your overall immune system
and will by its definition of reducing viral replication
reduce the chances of variants, if we do it quickly.
A recipe for generating exactly
what Vanden Bossche is saying
is allow the virus to replicate naturally
and you'll get every variant in the world
that can possibly emerge.
Now, are we concerned about variants?
Yes.
Are we concerned about what Vanden Bossche is saying
about selecting for a vaccine escape?
Absolutely.
He says, no scientists are listening to him,
except they are.
We talk about it constantly.
Every expert I've spoken to,
I've spoken to Paul Offit about this guy.
Every expert we talk about, this is what they think about.
This is on the radar.
This is why they're saying get vaccinated now.
They're also saying don't delay the second shot
if you can avoid that,
because then you have a hole in your potential immunity
and more viral replication.
This is why they're saying vaccinate as quickly
and as as many people as you can
and it doesn't even matter what vaccine you're using.
And we need to reiterate that the current variants
are clinically sensitive to these vaccines
in that you don't get severe disease or death.
And that's what you care about from this harmless virus.
Now, why is this guy so compelling?
Again, I've told you, he has a nice accent,
he has some letters after his name
that people can't interpret,
he uses big scientific words.
He does have some knowledge of vaccinology.
You can argue and you should let him speak
and you should debate him.
Don't censor him.
Don't cancel him.
But take a look at the company he keeps,
the Sherri Tenpenny, the Del Bigtree,
the Robert F. Kennedy,
the big anti-vax deluded cult members, basically,
who will cherry pick any information,
they'll hoist up a fake expert, which is this guy,
who has the conspiracy thinking.
Nobody's listening to my brilliant idea
that will save the world.
And he has a wonderful accent, did I mention that?
Get it now?
Maybe, maybe not, argue with me, leave some comments.
Tell me what you think.
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Soon I'll have another vaccine expert on the show
to talk about it in more detail.
One of the things I want to say, in the age of the internet,
so in the old days of science,
people would debate in conferences
and there would always be that one guy,
that one guy who's a little bit off his rocker
who has an idea that isn't entirely baseless,
that has some credibility,
but it's probably wrong and you should hear him out.
And he may trigger you to think differently
about what you're doing.
That's important.
In the days of the internet,
that person on the fringe
now is given an equivalent voice
to hundreds of thousands of other scientists
who may disagree based on the same data.
And what that tells you is it's a kind of false equivalence,
this vaccine expert, he's one fringe voice,
doesn't mean you don't listen and kind of go,
"Oh, that's interesting,"
but you don't give him equal platform to the others.
Now why does that matter?
Because if what he's saying is wrong,
which I most certainly think it is,
hundreds of thousands or millions of lives are lost
if we listen to him.
If 100 people listen to him
and decide not to get vaccinated, and one of them dies,
he's cost a life through this false equivalence, right?
So that's why this matters.
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And should I start speaking with a German accent?
Listen, so the thing is about the vaccines, they're very,
I'm gonna stop now.