Well Jenny wanted Steve to take another polygraph exam
so we reached out to Jack Tremarco and in my opinion,
he is the top polygraph examiner on the globe.
He's a former FBI special agent and FBI polygraph examiner.
Now Jack has conducted over 3,500 polygraph examinations.
Let me ask you, you met Jack Tremarco,
were you comfortable with him?
Yes, sir, I was.
Did you feel like you were treated fairly by him?
I was.
Were you hurried in any way?
Did you, were you pressured by him in any fashion?
Or did he take his time with you and explain everything?
He took his time, it was about three hours.
So you have no complaints about the test?
I do not.
Okay, Jack, was there anything that you detected
that caused you to question the results of this test.
No, it was an average test.
Steve was a cooperative person.
Alright, and you didn't detect
any counter-measures.
No counter-measures.
Attempts to beat the test in any way?
No.
There were four questions on this test.
Question one, did you ever touch Amber for a sexual reason?
And your answer was.
No.
Did you ever touch Amber for a sexual reason
when she was a child?
No.
Did you ever touch Jessica for a sexual reason?
No.
Did you ever touch Jessica for a sexual reason
when she was a child.
No.
And the results were,
non-deceptive that you were telling the truth.
I knew it.
This whole thing just felt like a witch hunt
from the beginning.
It was terrible to hear these allegations.
I don't, it's sad.
What do you think about these results?
I don't care what it says, I know what he did to me.
And I'm not making it up.
I understand, what do you think?
I think he believes his lies so much
that he's able to deceive the test.
You know I said before I opened that envelope
that I felt like I knew what it was going to say
and that I knew why.
I thought you were gonna pass this test.
This test measures what you perceive to be the truth.
Correct Jack?
Exactly right.
I said this very early on in our conversation,
if you'll think back, I said, "If you believe he really
"believes what he's saying,
"why would you be upset with him?"
Because you can't be mad at somebody for believing
what they believe, if they believe it.
And I said, "Why would you be upset with her
"if she believes what she believes?"
That doesn't mean that that's not distorted in some way
and I have no doubt that alcohol has played a huge part
in distorting your recollections, your inhibitions,
your behaviors.
Do I think that you're lying?
Absolutely not.
The fact that you recanted doesn't make me believe
that you're lying.
Do I think that you're lying?
Absolutely not, absolutely not, absolutely not,
absolutely not and absolutely not.
I don't think anybody's lying here.
I believe that this is a highly dysfunctional situation.
I believe that your respect of boundaries
in a family full of women is really poor.
You guys are hurt and you need to heal.