- First off, I'm like super honored that this is pretty much
the first collaboration that you've ever done.
- I rarely do like work with other artists,
but I was really drawn to you 'cause you're,
I know he's good,
and I'm also, so he's good. - Yeah.
You have very angelic vocals.
- Well, you have a really nice voice as well,
it's very unique and weird but it's cool.
- It's very breathy. - Yeah.
- I have a very breathy voice.
- Yeah, it's very nice and mine is very sharp.
So I think they're very nice together.
- Yeah.
- Like a cloud holding a knife.
- Yeah.
- You know there's a generational difference
between a lot of parents that affects
their child's love life in a lot of instances,
especially when that's fueled by belief or religion
or just playing, you know, boomerism.
So this song is really describing the dynamic
of your partner, getting flack and that returning to you,
in some situations, extreme situations
getting kicked out of their own house
because of sexual relations
or premarital sexual relationship.
Originally, I wrote it like very improvisationally,
right on the spot with another producer.
I sent it over and with like a blank
that I produced out specifically for what I thought
I wanted to hear female vocals
and Aurora perfectly matched that aesthetic.
- I really liked the song, I'm very dedicated
to battling shame, 'cause I'm so upset
with all the different ways we are shaming,
especially about the beautiful things that makes us human,
like love and sex.
And it's so, it could be so pure and lovely
and all of these weird shamings just ruins
such a perfectly beautiful naturally wild thing.
I love the message of the whole song, sex is cool.
(laughing)
- Sex is cool.
I always like when the first line
has a little bit of like captivation or shock value
and in a lot of relationships,
you wanna know the reality of who you're dating
and often a reflection of that can be their parents.
And a lot of the times is actively involved
in a lot of their decision-making
if they still have a stronghold grasp on their child.
With parenting, you know, it's a fine line
you have to walk.
In most of my relationships,
I've met parents who struggle recognizing their child
as an individual, especially coming into adulthood.
Is your parenting part of the equation?
Is your father a good man?
There's a biblical parallel with me saying,
"Your daughter was my savior."
Obviously a double meaning, a metaphor,
seeing as there was a conflict of interest
but, I thought it was similar because in a lot of ways,
she was my savior in that moment,
I was very, very socially inept,
still I am.
This was a first experience for me,
like getting out of my shell during my youth.
She has had moments where she is directly influenced
by her parents.
She's indecisive, but I don't have to make her choose
because I have faith in this situation.
She needs to find herself as an individual
and stop being ruled by a few things
that did have a lot of influence on her growing up,
and in turn had a lot of influence on our relationship.
This is how it goes, really, was a moment of knowing
a fallout will occur, knowing that I will get
into a conflict with the parents
and just waiting for the inevitable.
And that's what occurred over dinner,
it was very awkward dinner.
They had caught us, I had been caught in the act.
Got to the point where they were asking her,
to break up with me or move out.
And they kicked her out.
This is how it goes, watching it unfold,
playing my own role.
That was almost like a nursery rhyme,
and just phonetically it sounded fun - the alliteration.
And I was playing a little dialogue in my head,
"Daddy don't make me leave this home,
don't kick me out, I can be better."
The father coming down on her, "This is what you chose,
you have to live with the consequences."
Then her coming back, "I can't let him go."
Driven by love, not logic, pure emotion
and instinct in this situation.
I think I was imagining the, this whole thing
from the girl's perspective,
being reprimanded by a parent or being like disapproved
of, or disowned.
It's such an extremely painful thing to go through,
and that silence around the dinner table that I'm imagining,
this uncomfortable silence where you're not allowed
to express yourself or to speak your mind
or speak your truth or be who you are and be human,
be normal even.
I was thinking both from the father's perspective
that you'll never get to hear.
like his anger is kind of endless,
'cause he, you'll never understand.
But also that he'll never hear every single word
she wants to shout 'cause she'll never be given the space
to be understood or to speak her mind.
I kind of wanted to scare the listener a bit in this song.
I'm imagining that that's how it feels
for her to constantly be called a child,
when she is not anymore.
It's this very undignifying way of kind of taking control
over a child as a parent, simply because you can.
When I heard Sub Urban's pre for the first time,
"Oh she can be a little indecisive."
I just loved the way that word kind of tickled my mind,
and I loved the way it tasted in my mouth,
and I really wanted to recreate
that phonetically pleasingness.
It was just fun to flip the perspective around,
"Oh, he can be a little too invasive,"
and that's probably why she's a little indecisive.
For me, when I added the little, "I just want to live."
It's kind of to explain how little we are asking for.
It's such a small question,
it's such a small demand to ask for respect
and ask for freedom to do what you want
with your lovely body and soul.
This song talks about such an important topic,
and it's weird to me that that is even a topic
we need to write about, but we do.
And so I tried to like make a yin to his yang,
by saying he can be a little too invasive,
'cause I love when words both like connect
phonetically as well-- - Yeah, the parallels.
- Sorry. - Yeah.
- It's very intriguing for the mind.