( BAND PLAYING ) ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
>> Stephen: WE'RE HERE WITH FRIEND OF THE SHOW, AUTHOR RONAN
FARROW, AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK "CATCH AND KILL."
RONAN, WHILE YOU WERE REPORTING ON WEINSTEIN, YOU WERE PARANOID
THAT YOU WERE BEING FOLLOWED.
AND IT TURNED OUT YOU WERE BEING FOLLOWED.
HOW DID YOU FIND OUT YOU WERE BEING FOLLOWED?
DID THEY WANT YOU TO KNOW YOU WERE BEING FOLLOWED?
>> SO -- >> Stephen: BECAUSE SOMETIMES,
AS A PRESSURE CAMPAIGN, PEOPLE WANT YOU TO--
>> TO INTIMIDATE.
I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH GOING ON.
I WAS LOOKING OVER MY SHOULDER A LOT.
I'M SEEING THE SAME GUYS AROUND, I'M SEEING THE SAME CARS AROUND
MY PLACE.
I WAS SO SLEEP DEPRIVED AT THIS POINT-- EVERY TIME I'M ON YOUR
SHOW I'M SLEEP DEPRIVED.
I'M MUCH MORE CHARMING, APPARENTLY.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS GOING CRAZY, BUT ULTIMATELY I WAS ABLE
TO REVERSE ENGINEER THESE STRANGE CALLS I HAD BEEN
GETTING, CALL ONE OF THESE LACKEYS WHO WAS USING THE COVER
STORY TO COME AFTER ME.
>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU MEAN STRANGE CALLS?
>> THERE WERE OUTRIGHT THREATENING CALLS, BREATHER
CALLS THAT NEVER WENT ANYWHERE, STRANGE TEXTS AND STUFF.
THERE'S A DISCUSSION IN THE BOOK ABOUT WHICH OF THOSE--
( BREATHING HEAVY."
>> Stephen: LIKE THAT.
>> IF ONLY IT WERE YOU, STEPHEN.
IT SEEMS SO OVER THE TOP.
BUT THIS IS A PLOT THAT ENDS UP BEING-- AND I HAVE THE PAPER
TRAIL ON THIS, TOO-- LITERALLY ONE RUSSIAN, ONE UKRAINIAN SPY,
AT ONE POINT TRACKING MY G.P.S.
PHONE LOCATION TO TRACE ME TO THE "NEW YORKER."
AND THEY'RE GETTING PIN DROPS OF WHERE I AM.
IN THE ONE SENSE -- >> Stephen: HOW DID YOU KNOW
THAT THEY WERE DOING THIS?
>> I ONLY FOUND OUT LATER.
AND THERE'S A SECRET SOURCE THAT CALLS ME AND SAYS-- UNDER THE
CODE NAME "AXIOM" AT FIRST AND SAYS, "I'M IN SURVEILLANCE.
WALK AGAINST TRAFFIC FOR SEVERAL BLOCKS.
GO TO ONE RESTAURANT.
GO TO ANOTHER RESTAURANT."
AND THEN PROCEEDS TO SHOW ME ALL THESE PHOTOS FROM SURVAILING ME.
AND THAT ENDS UP BEING A DEEP RABBIT HOLE OF INFILTRATING THIS
ESPIONAGE OPERATION.
>> Stephen: DID YOU LOOK GOOD IN THE PHOTOS.
>> I LOOKED EXCELLENT IN THE PHOTOS.
ON THE ONE HAND, THERE ARE SOME SILLY ASPECTS TO THIS.
THESE GUYS WERE TWEEDLE DEE TWEEDLE DUM.
THEY FOLLOWED THE WRONG GUY FOR THREE DAYS JUST BECAUSE HE WAS
BLOND.
>> Stephen: WHY DID THEY FOLLOW THE WRONG GUY AROUND.
>> BECAUSE HE LOOKED LIKE ME.
>> Stephen: WAS IT FRANK SINATRA.
>> SURE THEY FOLLOWED THE GHOST OF FRANK SINATRA.
THAT WAS GOOD.
>> Stephen: WHAT WAS THE MOST POSITIVE THING TO COME OUT OF
THIS BOOK, DO YOU THINK.
>> AS MUCH AS THIS IS A STORY ABOUT A LOT OF DARK THINGS AND
CRIMES AND COVER-UPS AND THESE SYSTEMS OF MUTUAL PROTECTION OF
POWERFUL PEOPLE, IT'S A STORY OF BRAVE WHISTLEBLOWERS WHO CAME
FORWARD.
SOURCE AFTER SOUR STOOD UP FROM THE INSIDE OF THE OPERATION AND
SAID, "I'M DEVELOPING A CONSCIENCE ABOUT THIS.
THIS SHOULD STOP.
WE SHOULD HAVE THE FREE PRESS IN THIS COUNTRY.
REPORTERS SHOULDN'T BE THREATENED."
I DON'T SEE ANY STYNES--
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO KEEP SEEING THAT.
I THINK WHISTLEBLOWERS WILL KEEP COMING.
I I THINK REPORTERS WOAN STOP AND JUST THE WAY FELLOW
REPORTERS HAVE RALLIED AROUND THIS BOOK IS VERY MOVING TO ME
AND GIVING ME HOPE THE FREE PRESS IS ALIVE AND WELL.
>> Stephen: I UNDERSTAND IN THE ACTUAL-- WHEN YOU WERE
WORKING ON THIS, IN ONE OF THE DRAFTZ OF THIS YOU PROPOSED TO
YOUR FIANCE, JON LOVETT.
HOW DID THAT COME OUT?
>> FRIEND OF THIS PROGRAM.
>> Stephen: FRIEND OF THE SHOW, EXACTLY.
>> I PROPOSED IN THE DO,IEST WAY.
I LEFT THE PROPOSAL IN THE DRAFT CHANGES DRAFT DOCUMENT.
>> Stephen: WAS HE HELPING EDIT IT AT THE TIME?
>> I WANTED TO GET HIS NOTES BUT HE'S REALLY BUSY, I SAID,
"PLEASE READ IT-- WINK, WINK-- THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL IN
THERE."
AND HE PROCEEDED TO DO WHAT YOU DID, INDEXED HIS NAME, PROPOSE
"F," AND MISSES THE PROPOSAL.
HE SKIM READ IT.
>> Stephen: WHAT WAS THE PROPOSAL?
CAN YOU REVEAL WHAT IT SAID?
>> YOU CAN READ IT IN THE BOOK.
IT'S THERE.
>> Stephen: IS MY NAME ON THE PAGE?
>> THE PROPOSAL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR YOU.
EXPUMENTLY HE DID SAY YES, BUT IT DID TAKE NUDGING HIM VERY
HARD TO READ MORE THAN JUST THE LINES WITH HIS NAME.
>> Stephen: RONAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> ALWAYS A PLEASURE.
THANK YOU, STEPHEN.
>> Stephen: THE BOOK IS "CATCH AND KILL."
IT'S AVAILABLE NOW.
RONAN FARROW, EVERYBODY.
WE'LL BE BACK WITH COMEDIAN ANDREA SAVAGE.