MARIA: WELCOME BACK.
WELL, THE FORMER CLINTON
CAMPAIGN LAWYER, MICHAEL
SUSSMANN, TRIAL CONTINUES TODAY,
AND MICHAEL SUSSMAN MAY TAKE THE
STAND HIMSELF IN THE DURHAM
PROBE BUT ONLY UNDER, CERTAIN
CONDITIONS, HIS LAWYERS SAY.
HIS LAWYERS ARE ASKING THE JUDGE
TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT FROM
ASKING QUESTIONS RELATED TO
PRE-INDICTMENT NEGOTIATIONS.
SUSSMANN DENYING CHARGES THAT HE
LIED TO THE FBI.
JOINING ME RIGHT NOW IS FORMER
SENIOR COUNSEL TO PRESIDENT
TRUMP KELLYANNE CONWAY OUT WITH
A NEW BOOK CALLED "HERE’S THE
DEAL: A MEMOIR."
CONGRATS ON THE NEW BOOK AND
THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANKS, MARIA.
YOU’RE GOING TO LOVE THAT BOOK
BECAUSE IT TAKES A -- TALKS A
LOT ABOUT TAKING ON THE OLD
BOYS’ AND NEW BOYS’ CLUBS AND
SUCCEEDING IN A MALE-DOMINATED
INDUSTRY, AND YOU’RE THE
ORIGINAL ONE WHO DID THAT.
MARTHA: THANKS FOR --
MARIA: THANKS FOR SAYING THAT.
I AM ENJOYING IT VERY MUCH, AND
I’M UP TO THE POINT WHERE YOU’RE
ON STAGE BETWEEN STEVE BANNON
AND OTHERS, AND YOU’RE THERE IN
YOUR ALEXANDER McQUEEN DRESS
AND STANDING TALL AS THE
PRESIDENT GIVES YOU AND THE
OTHERS CREDIT FOR GETTING HIM
THERE, AND THE CROWD IS GOING
NUTS CHANTING USA, USA.
TELL ME HOW THAT MOMENT WAS FOR
YOU.
YOU JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU DID
ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU MADE
SURE TO GET ON STAGE IN A SEA OF
SUITS WITH ALL OF THESE MEN IN
INDUSTRY.
THAT’S GOT TO BE TOUGH.
>> IT WAS INDESCRIBABLY EUPHORIC
AT THAT MOMENT, MARIA, BUT I
THINK DONALD TRUMP WAS THE WISH
FULL FULFILLMENT.
I WANT SOMEBODY TO BE PRESIDENT
WHO HAS A TON OF EXPERIENCE BUT
NEVER WORKED IN WASHINGTON, NO
POLITICAL TIES.
YOU’RE, LIKE, WELL, WHO’S THAT
GOING TO BE?
IT WAS A VERY WELL KNOWN
BUSINESSMAN AND JOB CREATOR, YOU
KNEW HIM FROM TV, THEY KNEW THE
HIM AS DONALD TRUMP, THE REAL
ESTATE DEVELOPER.
AND THEN HE WENT OUT THERE AND
HE WENT TO RALLY AFTER RALLY,
NOOK AND CRANNY IN THIS COUNTRY.
AND ONE THING THE MAINSTREAM
MEDIA MISSED ABOUT THE 2016
CAMPAIGN THAT I WRITE ABOUT IN
THE BOOK, MARIA, IS HOW MANY
LOCAL INTERVIEWS DONALD TRUMP
PROVIDED.
AND OTHERS WHO WERE HIS
SURROGATES.
THEY MISSED THAT BECAUSE THEY
WERE ONLY GIVING NATIONAL
COVERAGE.
THE LOCAL INTERVIEWS WOULD BE
PRETTY FAIR IN THEIR COVERAGE.
THEY WOULD REPORT JUST THE
FACTS, MAN.
DONALD TRUMP CAME TO TOWN.
DONALD TRUMP SAID HE’S GOING TO
CUT YOUR TAXES INSTEAD OF ALL
THESE STORIES, DONALD TRUMP
TAKES THE WINGS OFF A BUTTERFLY,
RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.
SO THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT.
AT THAT MOMENT I WAS 49 YEARS
OLD.
DONALD TRUMP ELEVATED ME IN A
WAY THAT ROMNEY, McCAIN, NO
ONE NAMED BUSH, NO REPUBLICAN
CANDIDATE HAD EVER DONE, TO MAKE
ME CAMPAIGN MANAGER, AND WE MADE
HISTORY TOGETHER.
BUT IT’S DONALD TRUMP WHO PUT ME
THERE, AND I THINK THIS IS
IMPORTANT BECAUSE I WAS
BASICALLY AN OUTSIDER.
YOU HAD ALL THESE FOOLS, THESE
GRIFT ORS AND SHIFTERS WHO WENT
ON TO RUN THE LINCOLN PROJECT.
THEY HAD FAILED UPWARD FOR
YEARS, ALWAYS GAVE EACH OTHER A
SEAT ON THE GRAVY TRAIN, EXCLUDE
ME, AND I HAVE TO THANK THEM
PUBLICLY FOR THAT BECAUSE IT
FORCED ME TO LOOK AT CORPORATE
CLIENTS LIKE MAJOR LEAGUE
BASEBALL, LIKE AMERICAN EXPRESS,
LADIES’ HOME "LADIES’ HOME
JOURNAL."
I WORKED FOR OTHER NONPROFITS
AND OTHER FORTUNE 10 AND 500
COMPANIES BECAUSE I WENT OUT TO
DISCERN NOT JUST WHAT VOTING
AMERICA THINKS, BUT WHAT THE
REST OF AMERICA THINKS, AND I
WAS READY FOR THAT MOMENT WHEN
DONALD TRUMP ASKED ME TO BE
CAMPAIGN MANAGER BECAUSE I’D
BEEN STUDYING AT A CULTURAL
ANTHROPOLOGIST THE WAY AMERICA
WAS SPENDING ITS MONEY,
LISTENING IN FOCUS GROUPS, TO
POLLING AND TO THE
RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I’M GLAD YOU
MENTIONED THE HILTON, MY BOOK
TOUR, THANKS FOR TELLING YOUR
AUDIENCE, RIGHT BEFORE YOU SEE
US ON THE STAGE, HUMA ABEDIN HAD
CALLED MY CELL PHONE, AND SHE
CALLED WITH SECRETARY CLINTON ON
HER PHONE TO TALK TO MR. TRUMP
AND CONCEDE THE ELECTION.
AND I HANDED HIM THE PHONE, AND
I SAID, MR. PRESIDENT-ELECT.
IT WAS 2:30 A.M., I HAVE A
SCREEN SHOT IN MY BOOK.
I TURNED TO VICE PRESIDENT PENCE
AND SAID MAKE SURE HILLARY
ACTUALLY CONCEDES.
AND SHE DID THE NEXT DAY, BUT
SHE HASN’T REALLY SINCE.
MARIA: UNBELIEVABLE.
OH, GOD, KELLYANNE, YOU’RE
MENTIONING SO MANY IMPORTANT
THINGS, PARTICULARLY THE FACT
THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW WHAT
WAS IMPORTANT TO VOTERS BECAUSE
HE WAS OUT DOING THOSE LOCAL
INTERVIEWS.
I FEEL THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION
HAS SUCH A TIN EAR IN TERMS OF
WHAT’S MOST IMPORTANT TO VOTERS.
SO TELL US, WILL PRESIDENT TRUMP
RUN AGAIN IN 2024?
>> HE’D LIKE TO.
I SEEK WITH HIM FREQUENTLY, AND
HE CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO
BECAUSE HE KNOWS THERE’S
UNFINISHED BUZZ.
HE SEES WHAT -- BUSINESS.
HE SEES WHAT HE COULD HAVE DONE
THE SECOND TERM VERSUS ALL THE
UNRAVELING OF THE POLICIES.
DONALD TRUMP’S LIKE THE REST OF
AMERICA.
HE’S WITHIN THAT MAJORITY OF ALL
THE POLLS, REPUBLICANS,
INDEPENDENTS AND A GROWING
NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS AND BIDEN
VOTERS, MARCH -- MARIA, WHO SAY
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
PUTIN IN RUSSIA, THE IMMIGRATION
ISSUE.
NO REASON FOR MANUFACTURING FOR
THESE TRADE DEALS AND ENFORCING
THEM AND MAKING THEM REALLY WORK
FOR -- I THINK WHAT DONALD TRUMP
DID, HE WAS GREAT FOR THE JOB
CREATOR, THE JOB SEEKER BUT ALSO
THE JOB HOLDER WHICH IS THE
MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.
MARIA, UNLIKE WHEN OUR
GRANDFATHERS HAD A JOB, PEOPLE
HAVE TWO JOBS IN THE HOUSEHOLD.
WHEN DID IT NOT BECOME ENOUGH?
THERE’S UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
IF HE DECIDES HE DOES OR
DOESN’T, WHOEVER RUNS HAS TO BE
AN AMERICA FIRST CANDIDATE AND