THE ROLES MULLEY AND COMEY MAY HAVE PLAYED.
HAVE PLAYED. STEVE: SO, KARL, YESTERDAY THE
NEWS WAS THAT BILL AFTER HE HAD
SPOKEN TO COMEY AND ALSO ANDREW
MCCABE, HE WROTE THAT NOTE,
WHAT’S OUR GOAL, TRUTH ADMISSION
OR TO GET HIM TO LIE SO WE CAN
PROSECUTE HIM OR GET HIM FIRED
AND NOW WE SEE THAT APPARENTLY
THE CROSS-FIRE HURRICANE TEAM,
THEY LOOKED FOR DIRT, COULDN’T
FIND ANY, THEY CLOSED IT ON
JANUARY THE FOURTH, 2017 AND YET
PETER STRZOK WHO WAS FIRED FROM
MISCONDUCT WINDS UP SAYING, HOLD
OFF AS WE JUST HEARD FROM GRIFF
THERE A NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN WHO
IS ARE SAYING, WE HAVE TO KNOW
MORE STUFF ABOUT THIS, BUT THE
PRESIDENT IS SITTING AT 1600
PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, HE SEES
THIS, HE REFERRED TO HIM AS
DIRTY COPS YESTERDAY AND NOW
HE’S THINKING ABOUT A PARDON FOR
MR. FLYNN.
MR. FLYNN. IF HE DOES, WHAT DOES AMERICA
SAY TO THAT?
KARL: FIRST, LET’S STEP BACK FOR
JUST A MINUTE.
REMEMBER, THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF
THE PETER STRZOK DIRECTED
INFORMATION WAS TO FIND OUT
WHETHER MICHAEL FLYNN WAS QUOTE,
DIRECTED, CONTROLLED BY OR
COORDINATED ACTIVITIES, END
QUOTE, WITH RUSSIA AND WHEN THEY
COULD FIND NO EVIDENCE OF THAT
WHATSOEVER THE -- THERE’S
RECOMMENDATION TO CLOSE THE
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. IT’S AFTER THAT POINT THAT THEY
TRY AND GO AFTER FLYNN FOR
HAVING TALKED TO THE RUSSIAN
AMBASSADOR DURING THE TRANSITION
PERIOD AND ORDER TO PROSECUTE
HIM IN LOGAN ACT, 1789, A ACT
PASSED BEEN JOHN ADAMS WHEN
ADAMS WAS UPSET ABOUT A GUY
NAMED DR. LOGAN WHO HE THOUGHT
WAS TRYING TO PORTRAY HIMSELF AS
REPRESENTING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
ABROAD.
ABROAD. IT’S DEEMED TO BE LARGELY
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, TWO ONLY
PROSECUTIONS HAVE EVER BEEN
TRIED UNDER IT.
NEITHER ONE HAVE SUCCEEDED.
THE LAST ONE WAS 150 YEARS AGO
AND THE IDEA THAT THE INCOMING
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER SHOULD
NOT DURING THE TRANSITION PERIOD
HAVE CONTACT WITH THE RUSSIAN
AMBASSADOR IS LAUGHABLE, BUT
THAT’S ONLY PART OF ALL OF THIS.
WE ALSO HAVE THIS ISSUE OF --
AND CLEARLY THE PETER STRZOK
BEING IN CHARGE OF THIS, THEY
WERE TRYING TO GET FLYNN ON
WHATEVER THEY COULD, SO WHEN
THEY COULDN’T FIND THAT HE WAS
DIRECTED, CONTROLLED BY OR
COORDINATED ACTIVITIES WITH THE
RUSSIANS, THEY THEN TRIED TO GET
HIM ON THIS REALLY STUPID THING
OF THE LOGAN ACT, BUT WE DO ALSO
HAVE THE SEPARATE ISSUE OF HIS
FAILURE TO REGISTER AS A FOREIGN
AGENT BEING PAID BY THE TURKISH
GOVERNMENT THROUGH AN
INTERMEDIARY I THINK FROM IN THE
THE NETHERLANDS TO TRY TO GET
POLITICAL OPPONENT OF TURKISH
EXTRADITED WHICH RESULTED IN THE
MAN’S DEATH, THAT’S A SEPARATE
ISSUE.
ISSUE. JEFFREY JENSON, ATTORNEY TO
INVESTIGATE ALL OF THE THINGS
AROUND FLYNN AND I THINK WE
OUGHT TO SUSPEND OUR COMPLEMENT
JUDGMENT UNTIL HE COMPLETES HIS
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. THESE DOCUMENTS CAME OUT AS A
RESULT OF HIS INVESTIGATION.
WE NOW KNOW LOOKING AT THIS ONE
PART OF THE FLYNN CASE THAT --
THAT STRZOK WAS TRYING TO GET
HIM ON A COMPLETELY PHONEY DEAL
AFTER FAILING TO COME UP WITH
ANY EVIDENCE ON THE MORE
SUBSTANTIVE ISSUE OF DIRECTED
CONTROL BY OR COORDINATING
ACTIVITIES WITH RUSSIA.
IT SURE STINKS, AT LEAST THE
PART OF IT BUT LET’S WAIT UNTIL
JENSON GETS HIS WORK DONE.
BRIAN: KARL, AS YOU TAKE A LOOK
BACK, LIKE YOU LIKE TO DO, WHEN
YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THAT, DO YOU
BELIEVE THERE WAS A PLOT TO GET
THE PRESIDENT OR WAS SIMPLE
OPPOSITION TO THE PRESIDENT THAT
WE SEE IN EVERY OTHER
ADMINISTRATION?
ADMINISTRATION? KARL: NO, NO, LOOK.
PETER STRZOK, LISA PAGE, WHAT WE
HAVE SEEN OF THAT, THIS WAS --
THESE WERE ROGUE AGENTS IN VERY
POWERFUL POSITIONS WHO WERE
ACTING IN A COMPLETELY
INAPPROPRIATE WAY.
INAPPROPRIATE WAY. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ACTIVITIES
OF JAMES COMEY, WE SEE AN
INAPPROPRIATE ACTIVITY BY THE
DIRECTOR OF THE FBI.
NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE’S NO WAY
THAT YOU CAN EXCUSE THINGS THAT
THOSE PEOPLE DID.
I TRUST THE FBI GENERALLY, BUT
WE HAD SOME BAD ACTORS AND WE’VE
NOW SEEN A TRAIL OF E-MAIL
MESSAGES, YOU KNOW, LOVE TEXTS
BETWEEN STRZOK AND PAGE, COMEY’S
ACTIVITIES, COMEY’S ACTIONS,
COMEY ACTS TO THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES, NO, WE DON’T
HAVE FLYNN UNDER INVESTIGATION,
WELL, AT THE VERY MOMENT HE KNEW
THAT HE WAS UNDER INVESTIGATION
AND THAT THEY WERE FOCUSED ON ON
THE LOGAN ACT FOR GOD SAKE, COME
ON, PLEASE.
ON, PLEASE. THE IDEA THAT YOU WILL KNOCK OUT
THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER
AND YOU CAN’T GET HIM ON THE
SUBSTANTIVE DIRECTED,
SUBSTANTIVE DIRECTED, COORDINATED ACTIVITIES WITH AND
INSTEAD YOU’RE GOING AFTER HIM
UNDER THE LOGAN ACT IS
LAUGHABLE.
LAUGHABLE. WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE
THERE’S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE
PRETRUMP ADMINISTRATION
PRETRUMP ADMINISTRATION ACTIVITIES, FAILURE TO REGISTER
AS A FOREIGN AGENT, THAT’S A
SERIOUS QUESTION, AGAIN, LET’S
WITHHOLD JUDGMENT ON THE WHOLE
GALAXY OF THINGS UNTIL U.S.
ATTORNEY JENSON FINISHES HIS
WORK.
WORK. AINSLEY: YEAH, THEY RUINED HIS
LIFE BECAUSE OF THE PHONE CALL
OR THAT CONVERSATION.
DO YOU THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT
SHOULD STILL PARDON THOUGH OR
SHOULD HE WAIT FOR THE
INVESTIGATION?
INVESTIGATION? KARL: IF JENSON COMPLETES
ACTIVITY AND REPORT AND HAVE
TIME TO GO OVER IT.
WE NOW KNOW ENOUGH TO -- TO
INCLUDE THIS WAS PETER STRZOK,
THIS MAY BE WAS PART OF HIS
INSURANCE POLICY ACTIVITIES TO
GET THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES, BUT LET’S WAIT UNTIL
JENSON DOES ALL OF HIS WORK.
I THINK THE PRESIDENT IS WELL
ADVISED TO WAIT UNTIL IT’S ALL
DONE AND THEN HAVE IN ESSENCE
INPUT OF INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY
WHO HAS DONE A RIGOROUS
INVESTIGATION OF ALL OF THESE
ISSUE.
ISSUE. STEVE: AND WE THOUGHT THEY’D
ALREADY DONE THAT WHICH
APPARENTLY THEY HAVE NOT.