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♪ >>> AND WE’RE BACK WITH OUR
PANEL, "NEW YORK TIMES"
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, MEGAN
TWOHEY, AMY HOLMES AND DAN
GOLDMAN.
GOLDMAN. WE’RE GET TO WHAT’S HAPPENING IN
GEORGIA.
GEORGIA. LET’S PICK IT UP WITH THE SERENA
WILLIAMS DUST-UP AT THE U.S.
OPEN.
OPEN. HAVE YOU BEEN FOLLOWING THIS?
TODAY, "THE TIMES" OF LONDON ARE
REPORTING THAT UMPIRES ARE
CONSIDERING TO REFUSING TO
OFFICIATE SERENA MATCHES NOW,
BECAUSE THEY THINK THE WAY SHE
TREATED THIS UMPIRE WAS
SHAMEFUL.
SHAMEFUL. AND -- SOME ARE CONSIDERING
FORMING A UNION TO SPEAK OUT
BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT TO BE
FEARFUL OF LOSING THEIR JOBS
FROM MAKING CALLS ON THE COURT.
I HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT TO WEIGH
IN ON THIS BECAUSE I LOVE
SERENA.
SERENA. I THINK SHE’S A STRONG ADVOCATE
FOR WOMEN’S RIGHTS.
SHE HAS THE RIGHT MESSAGE FOR
FEMALE EMPOWERMENT.
FEMALE EMPOWERMENT. AS A LAWYER, I’M A RULE
FOLLOWER.
FOLLOWER. AND I BELIEVE THE UMP HAD EVERY
RIGHT TO CALL HER OUT ON THOSE
OFFENSES.
OFFENSES. THE COACH WAS COACHING HER.
SHE HAS NO RIGHT TO CALL HIM A
THIEF.
THIEF. SHE SMASHED HER OWN RACKET.
ULTIMATELY, HIS PROGRESSIVE
PENALTIES WERE WHAT THE RULES
ALLOWED.
ALLOWED. AND HE’S A FASTIDIOUS RULE
MONGER, THIS GUY, WITH MEN AND
WOMEN.
WOMEN. AND I SPENT THREE DAYS LOOKING
INTO IT.
INTO IT. GET ME THE HISTORY ON WHAT HE’S
DONE TO MEN.
GET ME THE HISTORY OF WHAT HE’S
DONE TO OTHER WOMEN.
HE’S BEEN A RULE MONGER WITH THE
MEN, TOO.
MEN, TOO. HE’S LIKE A FELIX UNGER TYPE.
>> YOU USE THE WORD MOST
IMPORTANT.
IMPORTANT. YOU SAY HE’S ALLOWED TO DO IT.
HE’S NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT.
AND THERE’S A WAY OF DIFFUSING
THE SITUATION, WHEN YOU KNOW THE
NEXT PENALTY IS A GAME.
IT’S NOT A WARNING.
THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE.
>> IT WAS PROGRESSIVE PENALTIES
IN TENNIS.
IN TENNIS. SHE KNEW THAT, TOO.
>> SHE DID.
BUT CERTAINLY, PEOPLE HAVE
SPOKEN TO HIM.
MEN HAVE SPOKEN TO HIM IN WORSE
OR AS -- THE SAME OR WORSE.
>> AND HE’S PENALIZED THEM.
>> BUT NOT IN A FINAL OF THE
U.S. OPEN.
U.S. OPEN. AND I THINK IT MATTERS.
FORGET ABOUT SERENA OR NOT.
>> THE RULE IS THE RULE.
TAKE IT UP WITH THE USTA, IF YOU
DON’T LIKE THE RULE.
PROGRESSIVE PENALTIES ARE A
THING IN TENNIS.
IF YOU WATCH LIVE, LINDSAY
DAVENPORT WAS TALKING ABOUT IT.
MARY CARILLO WAS POINTING THIS
OUT.
OUT. THIS IS SOMEONE WHO HAS LIVED
IT.
IT. LINDSAY DAVENPORT SAID, SHE GOT
A VIOLATION AND A SECOND
VIOLATION, AND SHE SAID BEFORE
IT HAPPENED, THE NEXT ONE IS
GOING TO COST HER A GAME.
SHE KNEW WHAT WAS HEADING HER
WAY.
WAY. MARTINA NAVRATILOVA SAID THE
SAME THING.
SAME THING. IF I BEHAVED THAT WAY ON A DEN
TENNIS COURT, I WOULD BE IN THE
SAME SITUATION.
SAME SITUATION. >> HE’S NOT OBLIGATION TO GIVE
THOSE.
THOSE. >> MY EDUCATION IN TENNIS IS MY
COLLEGE SWEETHEART.
COLLEGE SWEETHEART. AND WE PLAYED A LOT OF
PING-PONG.
PING-PONG. I KNOW IT’S A MENTAL GAME.
>> I LIKED MARTINA NAVRATILOVA’S
INTERVIEW.
INTERVIEW. SHE SAID WE NEED TO RAISE THE
BAR HIGHER.
BAR HIGHER. THAT MEN SHOULD BE HELD TO A
HIGHER STANDARD, NOT THAT WOMEN
SHOULD BE HELD TO A LOWER ONE.
>> IT’S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT
THAT RAYMOS IS GOING TO BE UMPIN
GAMES THIS WEEK.
>> HE SAYS, I’M GOOD.
IT’S THE FELLOW UMPIRES SAYING
WHAT’S BEING DONE TO HIM IS
UNFAIR.
UNFAIR. HE’S AN AWARD-WINNING UMPIRE.
HE CALLED IT LIKE HE SAW IT.
>> AND THERE’S ONE THING TO CALL
FOR THE NEED OF THE UMPIRES TO
UNIONIZE TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL
VOICE IF THERE IS CONTROVERSY
THAT ARISES.
THAT ARISES. IT’S ANOTHER THING TO SAY
THEY’RE GOING TO BOYCOTT
SERENA’S MATCHES.
SERENA’S MATCHES. TALK ABOUT ESCALATING THIS EVEN
FURTHER.
FURTHER. >> THE GUY HIMSELF SAYS I’M
GOOD.
GOOD. >> SHE CALLED HIM A THIEF.
>> AND A LIAR.
>> SHE WAS GETTING COACHED.
HER COACH HAS ADMITTED IT.
THAT’S THE FACT.
EVEN IF YOU’RE A SERENA LOVER,
LIKE I AM.
I HAVE TO GET DOWN TO WHAT’S
HAPPENING IN GEORGIA.
PADDLING IS COMING BACK TO A
SCHOOL DOWN THERE.
THEY SENT OUT CONSENT FORMS TO
PARENTS THAT WOULD ALLOW SCHOOLS
TO PADDLE THEM.
IT’S ONE MORE TOOL IN OUR TOOL
BOX.
BOX. YOU GET WHACKED ON YOUR REAR
END.
END. THEY WHACK YOU IN THE REAR-END.
WE ARE YANKEES.
UP NORTH, WE DON’T DO A LOT OF
PADDLING.
PADDLING. >> I WAS SPANKED AS A KID.
I’M PERSONALLY AGAINST IT, BUT I
THINK I AM OKAY.
BUT WHAT I SAW AS A PROBLEM
HERE, IN THE SCHOOL, YOU’RE
GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT
PUNISHMENT FOR THE SAME THING
FOR DIFFERENT GROUPS OF KIDS,
DEPENDING IF THEIR PARENTS ALLOW
THE SPANKING OR DON’T.
I SEE SOME KIDS GOING, YOUR KIDS
LOVE TO SPANK YOU.
YOU’RE GOING TO MRS. SMITH’S
CLASSROOM TO GET PADDLED.
>> IT’S A FIVE-DAY SUSPENSION IF
YOU DON’T CONSENT.
I WOULD CHOOSE THE PADDLING.
RATHER THAN STAY HOME WITH MY
PARENTS.
PARENTS. >> THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF
PEDIATRICS SAY CORPORAL
PUNISHMENT MAY ADVERSELY AFFECT
A SELF-IMAGE AND SCHOOL
ACHIEVEMENT.
ACHIEVEMENT. >> NOT ONLY THAT, IT’S
DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTS BLACK
STUDENTS AND STUDENTS WITH
DISABILITIES.
DISABILITIES. I THINK THERE’S QUESTIONS ABOUT
THE WAY THIS IS APPLIED.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. WE’LL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW IT.