♪♪♪ >> STEPHEN: WELCOME BACK.
MY GUEST TONIGHT IS AN ACTOR YOU KNOW FROM "GET OUT," "QUEEN AND
SLIM," AND "BLACK PANTHER."
HIS NEW FILM IS "JUDAS AND THE BLACK MESSIAH."
( CHANTING ) >> IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF
VIOLENCE OR NONVIOLENCE, IT'S A QUESTION OF RESISTANCE, FASCISM
OR NONEXISTENCE WITHIN FASCISM.
YOU CAN MURDER REVOLUTIONARY BUT YOU CAN'T MURDER A REVOLUTION.
YOU CAN MURDER A FREEDOM FIGHTER BUT YOU CAN'T MURDER FREEDOM!
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) ( CHANTING )
>> I AM A REVOLUTIONARY!
I AM -- A REVOLUTIONARY!
>> Stephen: PLEASE WELCOME DANIEL KALUUYA.
DANIEL, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME, MAN.
>> Stephen: THAT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY PERFORMANCE.
I WATCHED THE FILM LAST NIGHT.
DID NOT GET A WINK OF SLEEP AFTERWARDS, FOR ALL THE BEST
REASONS, COULD NOT STOP THINKING ABOUT IT.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS AMAZING THING THAT YOU AND YOUR OTHER
ARTISTS IN IT HAVE CREATED.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MOVIE IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT FIRST
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BAFTA AWARD THIS WEEKEND.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAN.
IT'S BEEN A WILD RIDE.
>> Stephen: IT HAS.
BAFTA, ALSO ON THE SAG AND THE GOLDEN GLOBE FOR "JUDAS AND THE
BLACK MESSIAH."
ZOOM AWARD SHOWS CAN BE TOUGH, THOUGH, AS YOU PROVED.
THERE WAS A BIT OF A TECHNICAL ISSUE WHICH YOU HANDLED VERY
GRAVESLY.
I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE OF THAT MOMENT.
>> DANIEL KALUUYA, "JUDAS AND THE BLACK MESSIAH."
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>> AM I ON?
IS THIS ON?
ALL RIGHT, COOL.
>> Stephen: WHAT HAPPENED?
WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT MOMENT?
I STILL DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
>> THE LAPTOP WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAMERA.
THEY BROUGHT A WHOLE CAMERA CREW AND THE LAPTOP WAS ON THE SIDE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS MUTE.
I WAS JUST LIVING MY LIFE TRYING TO SEE, AM I GOING TO GET THIS
AWARD OR NOT.
NOBODY EVER DID A ZOOM AWARD SHOW.
APPARENTLY THEY DIDN'T GET ME OFF ZOOM, JUST MUTE.
IT WAS FUNNY, THOUGH.
>> Stephen: ZOOM WON'T BE AN ISSUE AT THE OSCARS IN TWO
WEEKS.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT NOMINATION.
ARE YOU GOING TO BE THERE IN PERSON?
>> ALLEGEDLY.
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
IT'S A PANDEMIC.
>> Stephen: HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE OSCARS BEFORE.
>> I HAVE BEEN.
>> Stephen: FOR "GET OUT."
YEAH.
>> Stephen: IS IT FUN?
I'VE NEVER BEEN.
>> YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE OSCARS.
>> Stephen: NO, I'M A TV GUY.
WHY HAVEN'T YOU HOSTED THE OSCARS.
>> Stephen: WHY HAVEN'T I HOSTED THE OSCARS?
>> BECAUSE IT'S ON ABC.
ALL RIGHT, IT'S A WAR.
>> Stephen: I DON'T KNOW.
ALL RIGHT, COOL.
NO, THE OERS IS WEIRD.
THESE EVENTS ARE JUST WEIRD BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST THERE IN A
SUIT AND, LIKE, YOU'RE JUST WAITING.
YOU'RE JUST SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING THANK YOU.
THERE'S NEVER AN EVENT WHERE YOU GO TO WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY
THANK YOU.
SO I FOUND IT A WEIRD EXPERIENCE.
THE PARTIES ARE GOORKSD THOUGH.
>> Stephen: "JUDAS AND THE BLACK MESSIAH" IS THE FIRST ROLE
YOU'VE PLAYED WHERE WE'RE PLAYING AN HISTORICAL FIGURE.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: GROWING UP IN THE U.K., DID YOU EVER HEAR ABOUT
FRED HAMPTON AND THE BLACK PANTHERS?
>> I DID.
I HEARD MORE ABOUT THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY, JUST LIKE YOU'RE
A YOUNG BLACK MAN IN THE WESTERN WORLD, I WATCHED A LOT OF
DOCUMENTARIES, READ A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE AND THERE AND CAME
ACROSS CHAIRMAN FRED AND I SAW HIS DATE OF BIRTH AND THE DATE
HE WAS ASSASSINATED AND I WAS, LIKE, THAT'S GOT TO BE WRONG.
HOW OLD IS HE?
21?
NOT ONLY THAT HE WAS ASSASSINATED AT 21 BUT HE WAS
ABLE TO BECOME CHAIRMAN O THE ILLINOIS CHAPTER OF THE BLACK
PANTHER PARTY AT 21.
I THOUGHT, WHO THE HELL IS THIS MAN?
I ALWAYS GO I WANT TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO CHAIRMAN FRED,
AND THIS EXPERIENCE ALLOWED ME THAT OPPORTUNITY.
>> Stephen: WAS IT INTIMIDATING TO PLAY A REAL
PERSON FOR THE FIRST TIME?
>> IT WAS A CHALLENGE.
IT WAS A REAL CHALLENGE.
IT WAS A BIG MOUNTAIN PAUSE YOU JUST LOOK AND GO, OH, WOW, I
HAVE TO DO AN INTERPRETATION, NOT AN IMPERSONATION.
IN THAT SENSE, IT'S VERY VULNERABLE BECAUSE IT'S THIS IS
HOW I SEE IT, WHAT I THINK AND BELIEVE.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN ART PIECE AND MAKE IT FEEL LIKE CHAIRMAN
FRED.
SO IN THAT SENSE AND ALSO JUST ME AND THE FAMILY, ME AND
CHAIRMAN FRED, JR. AND ME AND MOMMA KUA AND JUST KNOWING THE
RESPONSIBILITY.
CHAIRMAN FRED, JR. WAS ON SET EVERY DAY.
>> Stephen: WOW, REALLY?
O DOING THESE SCENES OF HIM ON SET EVERY DAY WAS A LOT.
>> Stephen: IT'S A BRILLIANT FILM NOT ONLY FOR THE
PERFORMANCES IN IT AND THE STORY THAT'S TOLD, BUT THE WAY IT'S
TOLD.
IT'S TOLD WARTS AND ALL.
IT DOESN'T MAKE THE BLACK PANTHERS INTO SAINTS.
IT REALLY DESCRIBES A VERY COMPLEX AND HOSTILE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY THE BLACK PANTHER WAS
TRYING TO IMPROVE.
THE CHARACTER BILLOW NEIL IS ACTUALLY A COMPLEX AND
HEARTBREAKING CHARACTER IN HIS OWN RIGHT, AN IT'S VERY RESONANT
TO THIS PRESENT MOMENT, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE
AMPLIFICATION OF THE BLACK LIVES MATTER AROUND THE DEATH OF
GEORGE FLOYD LAST YEAR, HERE AND AROUND THE WORLD.
SO GREAT RESONANCE.
I IMAGINE YOU STARTED WORKING ON THIS BEFORE THAT RECKONING
STARTED LAST YEAR.
LIKE BEFORE THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT WE'RE IN ACTUALLY REACHED
ITS CULTURAL MOMENT OF FRUITION THAT WE'RE IN.
>> MMM, MMM...
WHAT DID YOU THINK IN MOVIE WAS GOING TO MEAN AND WHAT DOES
IT MEAN TO YOU NOW THAT IT'S BEING RELEASED IN THIS MOMENT?
>> STEPHEN, I THINK MOMENTS CHANGE.
SO ALL YOU CAN BE SURE OF AM I BEING HONEST IN THIS MOMENT I'M
CURRENTLY IN?
DO I FEEL THIS IS HONEST AND TRUTH TO ME IN THE MOMENT I'M
IN.
BEFORE IT HIT THE CRITICAL MASSES, BEFORE IT WENT
MAINSTREAM, I FEEL IT THIS WAY.
I FEEL I WANT TO BE EDUCATED BY THESE PEOPLE, CHAIRMAN FRED.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM WITH ME AND THEN, SO THEN, NOW
IT'S OUT THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE PEOPLE, THE BLACK
PANTHER PARTY AND CHAIRMAN FRED WERE ARTICULATING HOW A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE FEELING CURRENTLY, AND THEY HAD ACTIONS AND IDEAS
AND CONCEPTS AND STRATEGIES TO COMBAT AND SUPPORT AND BUILD
THEIR COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE THAT FELT PERSECUTED, PEOPLE THAT
FELT OPPRESSED AND PEOPLE WHO WANTED INTERNAL REVOLUTION TO
CHANGE THE EXTERNAL.
YOU HAVE TO EXCAVATE THE INTERNAL.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING WITH THE POLITICAL EDUCATION, THE SIX
WEEKS EDUCATION, SIX WEEKS OF POLITICAL EDUCATION IN ORDER BE
A FULLY PLEDGED PANTHER.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.
SO I JUST FELT LIKE YOU DO SOMETHING AND IF IT'S HONEST,
MOMENTS CHANGE, YOU KNOW.
IT'S JUST LIKE, NOW IT'S A THING.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME OUT IN AUGUST, JUDAS, BUT THE PANDEMIC
AND X, Y, Z AND THE OTHER.
IT'S JUST YOUR PART AT THE MOMENT, BUT IF YOU'RE TELLING
THE TRUTH, YOU WILL ALWAYS STAY ALIVE.
>> Stephen: I THINK YOU GUYS DID CAPTURE THE TRUTH BECAUSE
IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND THAT'S USUAL A GOOD SIGN.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Stephen: SO THANK YOU FOR A BEAUTIFUL FILM AND A STORY I
KNEW SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I LIVED MANY YEARS IN CHICAGO SO I KNEW SOMETHING ABOUT THE
CHICAGO BLACK PANTHER PARTY AND FRED HAMPTON, IT IS A VERY
SHOCKING AND HEARTBREAKING STORY AND YET SO BEAUTIFULLY AND
TENDERLY TOLD ABOUT THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE WHO WENT THROUGH IT.
CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK AT THE OSCARS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, STEPHEN, I APPRECIATE YOU.
>> Stephen: "JUDAS AND THE BLACK MESSIAH" IS AVAILABLE ON
DEMAND NOW.
DANIEL KALUUYA, EVERYBODY.
BACK WITH A PERFORMANCE BY LUCY DAYCUS.
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