ben shapiro had a conversation with neil
degrasse tyson
about science because you know
conservatives care so deeply about
science
this time the topic was specifically
about transgender rights
uh he refers to it as transgenderism and
i'm guessing he was hoping that neil
degrasse tyson would go along
with whatever narrative he was trying to
push and we know that shapiro has not
been so kind to the transgender
community so you can imagine what kind
of narrative he's trying to push
but what i appreciated was how neil
degrasse tyson responded
to shapiro's statement in this video
take a look
the argument is made that trans women
are women for example and what that
seems to mean is that trans women are
identical to women now if people want to
say trans women are not biological women
obviously that is the case but people
don't seem to want to say that
although that is obviously
scientifically true trans women are not
biological women biological women are
biological women but where are you going
with this
what what is your what is your what are
you trying to accomplish
by asking yourself is it science or is
it not science it's
how it's people in society but this is
this is a perfect example of an area
where suddenly it doesn't matter to say
things that are just true
like why is it why is it bad or wrong
i have another way to to approach this
um i care what is objectively true in
the world
as a scientist but let me not say even
as a scientist i just simply care what
is objectively true
and science happens to be a pretty
potent
path to invoke
to find out what is true and
so if people express themselves
on a gender spectrum and that is an
actual thing in an actual society
if we have not fully explained that
scientifically that's an interesting
frontier to study
if you want to say it's only
sociological
then it's the purview of the social
sciences
i don't care who studies it it's an
interesting fact about society
that's worth learning about if to to
make it to
fight someone and say it's not
biological it's just your decision
it's real and it's there
we've got some more clips uh from this
interview but francesca
i want to go to you first how did uh
neil degrasse tyson handle that were you
were you in favor of it could he have
been a little uh stronger
um and look for me personally i love the
first reaction to ben shapiro's
statement
because it was like where bro where what
are you where are you trying to go with
this like what is your intention here
because that's
that's really key in understanding the
motivation
behind the framing and the line of
questioning in this interview
yeah i also i love when he just like
folds his hand is like
his mind is just going to outer space
like
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find the piece neil you're hearing a lot
of shrill nonsense and he just like
folds his hands and goes there and then
comes back with your right an
incredibly very smart retort which is
why why why are you obsessed with this
and that's the same thing with
anti-trans extremists
all the time is what's your point
let's say you're correct right
so so what
right and the answer is well i don't i
don't know i just uh
uh i want to keep people from living
their truth
i want to keep people from accessing the
same services i want to keep people from
health care
i want to make sure that there's more
hate crimes against them i want to send
them
to uh you know uh uh camps so they can
re-educate themselves about what gender
they really are and what
like what is the next level here because
that's what it feels like
and if you're so obsessed with it do you
have something to tell us do you
like do you also have feelings like
you're in the wrong body like what
yeah i mean i think it's it's similar to
the mentality against same-sex
marriage right i think that there's an
element to this
where i don't i don't think
elements of the right wing take the
transgender community
seriously in that they seem to think
that it's some sort of
lifestyle choice right and it's
it's so uh that's why they're so focused
on the biological arguments right well
biologically
it's a woman it's a man not a woman
biologically this biologically
they're trying to like hone in on you
know
in their minds uh this perverse way of
living and a perverse
lifestyle choice that people are making
when in reality that's
obviously not the case who the hell
makes a decision
that basically makes them vulnerable to
the worst forms of hatred brutality
violence discrimination and also
yeah why do you care like if your whole
ideology and look i think ben shapiro is
actually different from other
right-wing media figures in that i don't
think
that for him this is just a culture war
to deflect from economic issues
ben shapiro was writing anti-pornography
books way before
he was like a known figure right like
these are issues that he deeply cares
about
but the question is the most backed up i
mean if there's anyone who's more backed
up than ben shapiro
i'd like to see him i'm sorry like his
whole thing is like
i don't know i mean he's got a wife he's
got kids like i've heard that the proud
boys don't allow themselves to
masturbate like i would argue maybe
they're a little more backed up
but no ben shapiro does seem to have
some issues like the fact that he
lost it over a cardi b song and like the
idea of women getting aroused like
really offended him like there's
something
there's something up and and i would
just argue that if
the majority of your ideological beliefs
revolve around denying others their
rights because you disagree with their
lifestyle choices which have no
bearing on your life you got to really
rethink what your priorities are
you really do there's something wrong
with you if
your political identity is about
snatching
rights away or denying rights to people
who just have
lives that are different from yours or
identities that are different from yours
that's who ben shapiro is i mean i i
keep track of his podcast like i'm
curious like what is he talking about
today and the majority of his content is
i don't like the way you're living i
don't like what you're rapping i don't
remember he's like the woman from our
hoa who's like constantly like snooping
in on us and trying to figure out
whether or not we're doing anything
right or wrong
like just get out of our lives get out
of our lives
and and it's also it is exactly
you know ben shapiro is someone who
trots out the holocaust all the time
he talks about you know which is fine
right but
he weaponizes it against people like
ilhan omar and calls them anti-semitic
whenever they criticize israel right
but like looking at his ideology
whose ideology is more in line with
nazism
right like people who say that everyone
should live their truth and live the
identity that they feel like
they they want to live and love who they
want to love
or the person who's like nah there's a
right way and a wrong way there's a pure
gender and a not pure gender
that sounds like some nazi crap all
right
so like again and the last thing i'll
say is i said this before on the show
and
if you are obsessed with men so-called
men
going into so-called women's bathrooms
or dressing up as women or pretending to
be a woman
in order to get a gold medal in an
olympic sport because you know that just
happens you know when you transition
suddenly you're really good at sports
um that's because your little twisted
perverted brain
it would do that not because anyone else
is a perfect it's cause you're a pervert
because it would only occur to you
perverted cisgender dude to be like well
i could
i could just go up in the women's
restroom and then i'd touch all the
boobies
no man like that's no trans person
thinks that
you think that because it's the same
thing where this is so stupid you know
whenever like
men are like oh yeah if i had boobs i'd
like touch them all the time like do you
hey as a woman do you like touch your
own boobs like no we don't we don't
actually kind of oh no not on the show
and no judge and no judgments if we do
but you know what i'm saying like
it's the same it's just dumb cis gross
logic
yeah i totally agree look i i can't help
myself one more video let's go to the
next one
this is earlier in their conversation
let's watch
uh the the argument that is typically
made
by gender theorists is that gender is
entirely separate from sex uh you've
seen the argument made that it makes
no difference on average if men are
stronger
than women are and that if we were to
allow transgender women to compete with
non-transgender women then this would
somehow not disadvantage biological
women and this seems to me absolutely a
scientific that if we're actually going
to have a discussion about
gender and sex that that should be based
in data which suggests that
mammals are in fact binary in terms of
their
sex unless you have intersex birth
defects
typically or genetic defect i'm happy to
opine on this
this only matters
because today we
segregate most
nearly all sports by gender
otherwise why do you even give a sh
what's what someone identifies with so
this is we live in a free country and
with consenting adults and people free
expression of who and what they are
adult level i agree with you i think it
does matter what your teacher kills
and so there's the there's the the
matrix of
of you know what you are biologically
how you express yourself
who you choose as a sexual partner if we
actually
live in a free country as we tell
ourselves
people's freedom to behave in any of
those ways
should not concern you at all
nor are they requiring that you behave
that way
okay this is for their own freedoms
because we live in a free country
i love that he uses uh the rhetoric
that's
typically championed by conservatives uh
you know regarding freedom
and we live in a free country and no
one's forcing you to do this
i i think that it's effective and you
know
if you watch the full conversation
shapiro kind of struggles to respond to
it
it's so big of shapiro i'm sorry but
just hats off
it's a little ben shapiro for having i'm
someone who actually believes that the
the earth rotates around sun instead of
the other way around as many of my
viewers probably believe
um and that i know and i i i know this
might trigger some of the
flat earthers out there and there's i
mean no offense to them but uh uh uh
you know like is it great like i love
that he's got an astronomer
you know and of course he's gonna lose
he just uh he just lost
destroyed neil degrasse tyson destroys
ben shapiro
in that and and again women's sports
look women's sports i will take you
seriously on women's sports right
wingers
the day that you put women's sports on
television
that's it the day that you put it on
television i'll believe that you care
at all the day that you're like oh we've
never won a world cup we've won like
four
with the women's national team
start caring about women's sports first
and then we'll talk about trans people
yeah by the way one of our members wrote
in and said uh you know it's
pretty rich of shapiro to ask like an
astrophysicist
about like issues pertaining to like
genetics and gender and all of that you
know
but i was under the impression that all
scientists are the same all scientists
study the same signs don't they
i mean don't all scientists also look
into why it is that
women would uh feel any type of arousal
during
sex which i've failed to provide my own
wife and that's why
cardi b literally triggers me and i'll
do an embarrassing segment on it
anyway that's who ben shapiro was by the
way pay attention he doesn't even blink
when he's asking these insane questions
but i'm glad he had the conversation
because i enjoyed having the discussion
on our show
and uh maybe he should have more
scientists on more scientists
less cranks i think that it would do um
a world of difference for ben shapiro's
show and maybe even ben shapiro's
ideology we'll see
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