-Our next guest is a supermodel, actress,
"New York Times" best-selling author you know from films
such as "Gone Girl" and "I Feel Pretty."
New episodes of her podcast "High Low with EmRata" drop
every Tuesday and Thursday across all podcast platforms.
Please welcome back to the show Emily Ratajkowski, everyone.
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Welcome back. -Thank you.
-I am so happy to have you here.
Last time you were here,
we talked a little bit about your son.
He's coming up on 2 years. -Yep.
-We just had Halloween. Did you have an enjoyable Halloween?
-I did.
It was the first Halloween he really got what was going on.
Last year he was like, "Ah, whatever."
So I dressed him up with my dog.
-I really appreciate a dog and kid costume that has this --
-Okay, thank you so much.
-That just ties together like this.
-It honestly -- It came together very quickly.
-Yeah. [ Audience aws ]
That is just an excellent, excellent Little Red Riding Hood
and Big Bad Wolf situation right there.
-Thank you so much.
My son was not convinced of the cape until he saw --
His first word is dog, but he says "doggin" for every dog.
So when he saw "doggin" in the hat, he was, like, ready to go.
-Gotcha. -And then we hit the streets.
-And now, who got more attention on the streets?
The baby or the dog? -So we were on a stoop in the
West Village with four babies, like all adorably dressed.
And this man was sitting at the top of the steps, and it was
like I wasn't there, the babies weren't there,
it was just all about Columbo.
-I think if you can get a dog in a bonnet,
people have a real appreciation.
-He had an emotional journey, though.
-Yeah. Oh, interesting.
-First he felt proud. He was loving it.
Then he had shame. [ Laughter ]
Like, the bonnet was -- We had a whole thing.
We were there for an hour,
and people were like zooming in on him.
It was amazing. -I like the idea that you think
there was a moment where your dog transferred into shame.
-I will show you the pictures. -"What am I doing?"
-No, he was like, "I'm really into it.
I'm really into it."
He understood, like, "I'm the big brother.
I have to be committed to this."
Like, "it's putting our little baby in the mood."
I swear to God.
I don't know if y'all have dogs, but like it's real.
And then all of a sudden, he just laid down and was like...
[ Audience aws ]
...and had a little existential crisis, but it's okay.
We made it through, and we won't do it again, you know.
-And still, you got a perfect picture,
and that's all that matters. -Thank you.
-Have you seen your son develop a sense of humor?
Do you feel like that's -- -Yes.
-This is around the age that happens.
-Yes. He loves to be, like, thrown around.
-Okay. -That sounds questionable.
-So he's like a physical comedian.
-Yes, he's very physical. Definitely loves when I make
funny faces, put on glasses, all of that.
But, like, he loves to just get thrown on the bed.
And then, if you put a pillow on him, he just giggles,
like laughs underneath the pillow
and just wants you to drop it on him multiple times.
-Yeah. -So I do it.
-Yeah. -I oblige.
-Look, you're a people pleaser, you know.
-Yeah. Yeah, yeah. -If he finds something he likes,
you got to stick with it. -No, and also, making your kid
laugh, there's nothing better.
-It's the best thing in the world.
Nothing's more heartbreaking than how much funnier
my kids think my wife is than me.
[ Laughter ]
Breathtaking, 'cause in real life, it ain't close.
[ Laughter ] -I don't know.
Are you sure? -I'm not sure anymore.
-I mean, I dunno, maybe your wife --
-I have a lot of self-doubt. -Yeah.
-I want to ask -- We talked -- You did --
You wrote a book of essays. Now you have a podcast.
Did writing the essays in any way
inform the choice to do a podcast?
Did you always think it was something you wanted to do?
-Totally. Last time I was here, I was talking about my book.
Thanks for having me again. -Of course.
-Yeah, I -- you know, people --
Every celebrity, like, gets approached to do a podcast.
And I was like, "I don't want to be one of those people."
And I was working on the book, and I just really wanted to
finish it so that there was a POV and people could have
an understanding of, like, who I am before I started the podcast.
But it's perfect for me.
I love writing essays, and I love making TikToks.
And a podcast is right in the middle.
-Yeah. -So it's perfect.
I'm really, really enjoying it.
It's actually 2 episodes a week, so it's 96 episodes a year.
It's a lot of work, but I love it.
-It's more work than people think.
-It's so much work. But I'm really enjoying it.
I'm actually getting a taste for what you do a bit.
-The interviewing side of it? -The interviewing, yeah.
One episode is an interview, and one episode is
a solo episode where I talk to myself for 45 minutes.
-You have been interviewed a great deal.
Is there something that you've learned being sort of a subject
of an interview, that you feel like you are stealing
to be an interviewer?
-Yeah, I would say listening. Sometimes interviewers don't
listen, and they just kind of stick to the, like,
"Oh, this is what we have to hit, whatever."
And if you're listening, you know, as somebody
in the audience, whatever, it can be really frustrating
because you're like, "Wait. They just said this thing,
and I want you to pick up on that and whatever."
I feel like you do that so well. You do listen. Howard Stern --
-I'm sorry. I drifted off a little.
[ Laughter ]
-That was good. That was good. -No, I will say --
-Your kids don't think you're funny?
-I do -- Yeah, no kidding.
Howard Stern, by the way, is a perfect example.
And I think it is true.
Whenever -- Because when I started doing this show, I felt
like there was no background I had to actually be good.
But the one thing is being a good listener, and it's true.
And that's why people listen to certain -- especially
in the podcast form, where you can't even see anything.
You have to hear -- You kind of have to picture it
because the conversation is connected.
-Mm-hmm, yeah. No, it's harder than what you do.
Okay, Seth? -No, no, no, it's not.
I'm saying it's not because you don't have the visual element.
-Yeah. No, no, totally.
But, yeah, it's really enjoyable.
I love talking to people. I think of myself as
a curious person, and I'm just really enjoying it.
-You call it "High Low." -Yeah.
-Can you explain the title real quick?
-Yeah, so I have always been, like, kind of fascinated by
the idea of their being highbrow or sophisticated topics
and lowbrow things, and I think that I'm someone
who, you know, people maybe think of me in a certain way
in like an Instagram, whatever, world,
and then I wrote this book of essays.
So I feel like I'm high and low a bit.
But I also just -- My favorite way of talking about things is,
like, marrying some, you know, political idea with
like "Housewives" or whatever.
So I don't really believe in high and low essentially.
But it actually wasn't the first choice for the name.
-Oh. Because "High Low" is a very good title.
-Thank you. -What was the first choice?
-Um, "Bitch Era." -"Bitch Era"? Yeah.
-Mm-hmm. [ Laughter ]
Yeah, they flagged that one.
Although I named my media Company --
-I did -- I actually -- When I was holding this up,
I noticed that, yeah, Bitch Era did make its way.
-Yeah, yeah. So that's my media company.
I did make my way to getting that.
-That's good. It was available?
-It was available. [ Laughter ]
Hey, don't laugh. -No, it's great.
-I think it's a high in demand name.
-Yeah, I can't believe -- I think a lot of people
are kicking themselves right now.
They're like, "Why didn't I think of 'Bitch Era'?"
-Yeah, it's -- I personally feel that way.
I'm ready to make merch, so if anybody else wants to be
in their bitch era with me -- -In 2014, I went to NBC,
I'm like, "Bitch Era with Seth Meyers.
Think about it." And they --
[ Laughter ] Same thing, they shut it down.
Nobody has any vision these days.
-You're kind of in your bitch era.
-I feel like I'm entering my bitch era.
-I like it. I see you in the streets in New York --
-Thank you. I'm getting more bitchy.
-Drinking those Negronis and --
-Now, we should note, and this is just something --
I guess -- Is that what you say about a TikTok?
Will a TikTok "drop" later this evening?
-Yeah, we made a TikTok.
-We did. We made a TikTok backstage.
-You hated it so much. You hated the process.
-I did. -He did.
[ Laughter ]
-That's so weird because I'm usually so good
at hiding how I feel.
I did -- [ Laughter ]
-Yeah. -I did hate it so much.
-You did a great job, though. -Thank you.
I mean, I will say, I was, like, kind of hating it, and then I
saw it, and I'm like, "Oh, I'm really good at this."
-No, you were really good. [ Laughter ]
It was impressive because he hadn't heard the sound before,
but you love a Negroni. -I love a Negroni.
-But you didn't get to sip on the Negroni.
-Well, I couldn't sip on it because we had --
You know, I had a show. And I take it very seriously.
-Okay, that's great.
-I have the one Negroni at 2:00 in the afternoon,
and then I don't --
-Are you considering, like, using TikTok more?
-Well, I mean, let's see how it -- if it takes off.
-Is that part of your bitch era? Is TikTok-ing?
-That's how you'll know my bitch era has started.
If I become really active on TikTok,
then you'll be like, "It's happened."
-I think everyone should be on TikTok.
It's amazing. -You do love it, right?
-Yeah, I love it, and the whole thing about privacy, I'm like,
"Listen, Facebook, Instagram, they've already stolen it.
The Chinese just do better things with it."
-Yeah. -They have our information.
-There's nothing about any of us
that everybody doesn't already know.
-No, and I'm telling you the algorithm, they really --
they really know how to entertain us.
So I'm grateful for that. -Okay.
-I'm like, "Take my data and do something great with it."
-Okay. Well -- -Yeah.
[ Laughter ]
-It's really nice to hear someone so optimistic about
the fact that all our privacy has been stolen.
-I think it's like I've passed the point of cynical.
-You are past, yeah. -And now I'm just like,
"We have to just accept." -Alright. Well, look,
acceptance, bitch era, Seth on TikTok, it's all happening.
Thank you so much for being here.
-Thank you so much for having me.
-It's always a pleasure.
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