I now recognize myself for
questions.
I want to start by showing a
video that tells the story of
what was going on in the trump
white house on election night in
November 2020.
>> Remember where you were the
night of the election November
3?
>> I was at the white house.
>> Do you know where
specifically over the course of
that night you spent your time
in the white house?
>> There was an event that was
organized in the residence, so I
moved between the residence, a
room off the residence, where
some family members were.
>> I take it the president was
upstairs in the residence?
>> He was upstairs.
We were on the first floor, not
upstairs, with mostly ivanka,
her brothers, a couple of other
people coming in and out.
>> Can you describe the
atmosphere, what were people
expecting that night when you
got to the white house?
>> I think that there was, to be
for people that show up there on
election night, a self select,
more positive environment.
People were a little bit nervous
not knowing what was going to
happen with the red wave, red
mirage, as the debate was being
carried out.
>> The Fox News decision desk is
calling Arizona for Joe Biden.
That is a big get for the Biden
>> Arizona is called.
Do you remember that?
>> I do.
>> What do you remember
happening where you were when
Arizona was called?
>> Um, I was -- there was
surprise at the call.
>> Who was surprised?
>> Most everyone in the room.
>> Were you one of them?
>> Yes.
>> Did that shift the atmosphere
or the attitude in the white
house?
>> Completely.
>> How so.
Can you describe that?
>> Fox News was the first to god
and say that.
>> Was in anger directed at fox
News for making a call more so
than disappointment from that
may be the campaign lost
Arizona?
>> All of the above.
>> So, both, and grand
disappointment.
>> Both disappointment with fox
and concerned that maybe our
data, our numbers were not
accurate.
>> Were you in the white house
residence during the past
midnight into the early morning
hours of November 4?
>> Yes.
Beyond midnight, yes.
>> Do you remember Rudy Giuliani
being at the white house on
election night and into the
early hours the next morning?
>> I do.
>> What do you remember about
when he came?
>> Um -- he was -- I had heard
that he was upstairs in the
after mentioned refection area
-- reception area.
He was looking to talk to the
president, and it was suggested
instead that he come talk to
several of us down off the map
room.
>> You said you had heard Mr.
Giuliani wanted to talk to the
president and was directed your
way.
Did you talk to Mr. Giuliani?
>> I did.
>> What was that conversation?
>> A lot of conversation was
directed my way.
[Laughter]
A few of us, myself, Jason
Miller, Justin Clark, mark
meadows gathered in a room off
the map room to listen to
whatever Rudy presumably wanted
to say to the president.
>> Was there anyone in that
conversation who come in your
observation, have too much to
drink?
>> I think Giuliani.
>> Tell me more about that.
What was your observation about
his potential intoxication
during that discussion about
what the president should say
when he addressed the nation on
election night.
>> The mayor was definitely
intoxicated.
I did not know his level of
intoxication when he spoke with
the president, for example.
>> Were you a part of any
discussions with the people that
I mentioned, Mr. Stepien, Mr.
Meadows, anyone else, about
whether the president should
make any sort of speech on
election night?
>> I spoke to the president.
I spoke to the president several
times that night.
>> There were suggestions by, I
believe mayor Giuliani, to
declare victory, say that we won
it outright.
>> It was far too early to
mediate making any calls like
that.
Balance -- ballots were still
being counted.
Balots would be counted four
days.
It was far too early to be
making any prediction like that.
>> I remember saying, to the
best of my memory, I was saying
that we should not declare
victory until we had a better
sense of the numbers.
>> Ok.
Can you be more specific about
the conversation, in particular,
what mayor Giuliani said, your
response, anybody else's
response in the room?
>> Effectively, mayor Giuliani
was saying that we won it, they
are stealing it from us, where
did all the votes come from?
We need to say that we won.
And essentially that anyone who
didn't agree with that position
is being weak.
>> What was your view at the
time as to what he should or
shouldn't say?
>> I don't know that I had a
firm view as to what he should
say in that circumstance.
The results were still being
counted.
It was becoming clear that the
race would not be called on
election night.
>> My belief, my recommendation
was to say that both were still
being counted --votes were
still being counted, it is too
early to call the race.
But proud of the race that we
ran.
And we, you know, I think we are
in good position.
We will have more to say about
this the next day or the next
day.
>> Did anybody who was a part of
that conversation disagree with
your message?
>> Yes.
>> Who was that?
>> The president disagreed with
that.
I don't remember the particular
words.
He thought I was wrong, told me
so, that they were going to --
that he was going to go in a
different direction.
Pres. Trump: This is a fraud on
the American public.
This is an embarrassment to our
country.
We were getting ready to win
this election, frankly, we did
win this election.
Chairman Thompson: Mr.
Stirewalt, did president trump
have any basis to declare
victory on November 4, 2020?
Thank you.
Mr. Stepien also testified that
president trump had no basis for
declaring victory at that point
in time.
>> My belief, my recommendation
was to say that votes were still
being counted.
It is too early to tell, too
early to call the race.
Proud of the race that we ran.
And we, you know, think we are
in good position.
Will have more to say about this
the next day or the next day,
whenever we have something to
say.
Chairman Thompson: Thank you.
Mr. Stirewalt, after the votes
were counted, who won the
presidential election of 2020?
>> Josie Robinette Biden junior
of the great state of Delaware.
Chairman Thompson: Thank you.
That is the bottom line.
We have had an election that Mr.