Hey, everyone. D'Anthony FanTangelo here. And this is of course, a new episode of Here's Why You're
Wrong, the series where I take your hot takes, your unpopular opinions, and your tough questions,
and I react to the best ones. Please keep in mind that this is my own original series that I created
and came up with and own the rights to. And no one else has ever done it on the history of YouTube,
especially Anthony Fantano. The theme of today's episode is sure to divide a lot of people because
it's fandoms. The one thing that's supposed to bring people together on the internet seems to
drive a wedge between the most people. And that is fandoms of various series, celebrities, YouTubers,
you name it. It's pretty much impossible to find an uglier place on the internet, than
fandom Twitter or fandom Tumblr, or even fandom YouTube. So like of course I'm going to make a
video diving into people's opinions about it. This is a bad idea. Let's find out.
"Shipping people who are actually real rather than just fictional characters is really creepy. It can
get out of hand and end up ruining friendships. Writing smut about IRL people and talking about
who's the top slash bottom should be considered some kind of harassment in my opinion." Here's
why you're right. I don't think it should be considered harassment, I think it just is
harassment. I honestly don't care how popular that genre is, if you are writing erotic fiction about
real life people, you need to evaluate your life. "K-Pop is overrated as hell. Don't kill me,
please." Okay, you're not the one who's going to die. I'm going to die for reacting to this
because here's why you're right. I think K-Pop is overrated as hell. I don't think it's bad, but the
way people kind of act like it's the second coming of music... It's not that good, honestly. Of
course like any genre of music, there's plenty of amazing K-Pop and plenty of amazing singers within
the genre. But overall, it's highly overrated. "The way some fandoms don't accept LGBT characters
having flows like a normal human and treat them as "Uwu precious sinful babies" is high
key uncomfortable." Here's why you're right. Honestly, once again, if that's the kind of
thing you're doing, you need to reevaluate your life. Treating anybody differently
because of things that they can't change about themselves is wrong. And that includes treating
them better. Not even going to lie. But a lot of people are not ready for that conversation.
"The fact that there's a fandom for just about everything is weird." Here's why you're wrong.
There's a fandom for phones, actually like a real phone fandom, and I'm in it and it's
not weird. It's not weird at all, okay. It's not weird that I'm in the Google Pixel fandom. And I
refuse to accept it as being weird. So, next. "Alternate opinion, emo and scene kids have
to get over themselves. People don't find y'all annoying because you're outcasts. They find you
annoying because you think you have the moral high ground because you're not like everyone
else." Here's why you're right. Honestly, there's nothing special about being misunderstood. And a
lot of people who say they're misunderstood, you're not misunderstood. You like wearing
black and listening to depressing music. What is there to misunderstand? Honestly,
it's not that serious. I have to let you know on behalf of humanity, nobody's judging you
as hard as you think they are, just relax. "The actual artists are usually good, but
some fandoms are toxic so they turn you off the artist." Here's why you're right. I can't tell you
how many times I've encountered an artist who does gorgeous work, literally just the most beautiful
stuff you've ever seen in your entire life. But then they go to their page and it's all fan art
for this one series that I really don't want to have anything to do with. Obviously that doesn't
lessen the value of that artist's work, but it definitely lessens me wanting to consume it.
"Furries aren't that bad." Here's why you're right. I think the loudest furries are certainly
the worst. Typically people feel compelled to react to the worst of the worst. So I think the
only time you really see furries outside of the furry fandom is when they're being
generally awful. But yeah, beyond that, it's safe to assume that most furries are just fine.
"All fandoms start out good until Tumblr gets its grubby hands on them." Here's why you're wrong.
You think Tumblr ruins fandoms? Have you ever seen what Reddit does to fandoms? Holy crap. Every
fandom has it, but the ones where the throngs of people stan the villain and tried to de-villainize
him through fandom goggles and try to make it seem like genocide, war crimes, and abuse are
okay because they had a bad childhood. Oh, and K pop. Y'all better stop bringing up K-pop, because
if you get me canceled, I'm not going to let you forget it. Anyway, here's why you're right. It is
absolutely not cute that a character in this show wiped out an entire race, got rid of his entire
family history, mistreated his significant other over an extended period of time. Like, that's not
cute. And it's weird that you think it is. Now, I think you can absolutely love a character who has
done those things. But if you start trying to act like those things are fine, reevaluate your life.
"The next person who says that they won't get into slash consider a thing or person because
of their fan base is catching these hands." Here's why you're wrong. There's plenty of things that I
don't get into solely because of the fan base. And it's not because I think the fan base is an
indicator of the quality of the work, but rather when I enjoy things, I tend to want to express
that publicly. But due to how awful certain fan bases are, there are certain franchises that I
wouldn't be caught dead expressing my appreciation for. So yes, fans absolutely do ruin the
experience of certain media or artists, et cetera. "Onision fandom, the end." Here's why you're
wrong. I just refuse to accept the reality that Onision has fans. It can't be real. It can't be
true. This can't be happening. Not in this real life that we live in 2020. Please make it stop.
"It's okay to ship any characters in a TV show or whatever else. No one should care if it's incest,
age gap, unlikely, or out of character. Just let people write their fan fiction in peace."
Here's why you're wrong. You're just, you're just, you're you're you're you're just wrong. That's,
that's... That's all I really have to say. "Fandoms that constantly objectify underage
characters are creepy and weird. A character being just a fictional character doesn't really matter,
they're still a child." Here's why you're right. And yes, I'm about to generalize,
but don't even act like I'm wrong. I typically see this in anime. Y'all really think you can get
away with the grubbiest stuff just because the character has anime eyes, huh? Guess what, it's
still creepy and weird and your mental gymnastics don't really change that. Again, there's nothing
wrong with liking underage characters or thinking they're cute. But at the point where
it's getting sexual, you... Holy crap, man. "When a YouTuber couple breaks up and people
will spend years flooding their social media demanding, "Get back together." Lisa wouldn't
talk about her love life for a long time because fans wanted her to get back with Shane so badly.
She lost her voice on her own channel." Here's why you're right. That's probably the worst thing ever
because there's a certain point where things stop being okay for the fans to discuss in my opinion,
and relationships between real life people absolutely fall into that category. When two
adults make a decision for them and their relationship, it doesn't matter how many
people they were performing that relationship in front of. And so for any fan to think that
their entertainment is more important than the happiness of said YouTuber is really sad.
"All fandoms have trash people, the argument of who's worse is useless to be honest." Here's why
you're wrong. There are absolutely some fandoms that are worse than the others. For example,
the Animal Crossing fandom is literally the most wholesome place ever. Like if you ever encounter
any drama in the Animal Crossing fandom, it's going to be really random. Mostly we just freak
out over like stairs and buckets and stuff. So yeah. Compare the Animal Crossing fandom to,
I don't know, Marvel. Yeah, no, trust me. There's some worse fandoms in the race.
"Not really fandoms themselves, but I kind of hate how if you like a thing that people just
assume you're a part of the fandom. Like, no, I just want to enjoy a thing without being forced
into some social based, toxic, judgmental, and over sensitive community centered around it."
Here's why you're right. You can enjoy all the media in the series without being in the fandom.
Because from my understanding, being in a fandom involves thinking about the series outside of
times when you're watching it. And honestly, some people just don't do that with things that they
like. For example, I enjoy watching Marvel movies; some of them, a lot of them are really terrible.
But I enjoy watching them regardless of that. And I enjoy looking at Marvel posts outside of that,
but I'm not in the Marvel fandom because ultimately it's not really a part of my life.
"D'Angelo fans need a name. D'Fangelos." Here... That's actually really clever.
"Fandoms were a lot less annoying before the internet. You buy a magazine, tape pictures to
your wall and call it a day." Here's why you're right. The internet actually brought upon this,
the need to perform our fan love in front of all the rest of the internet. And honestly,
name a bigger mistake. It was most certainly better when your appreciation for Star Wars
was just between you, yourself, and the money you spent. Now you can get
bashed just for liking certain Star Wars movies. "Sometimes the Hamilton fandom feels a little bit
disrespectful considering they had canon dead people as being trans or gay. People shipped
Alexander Hamilton with Thomas Jefferson, it's wild." And to this, we have attached a picture
of Thomas Jefferson wearing a Hatsune Miku binder, and he's apparently a furry, taking
Japanese lessons, and obsessed with anime. Here's why you're right. Thomas Jefferson was a real
person. And I understand that Thomas Jefferson in the play Hamilton is not a real person,
but like at the same time, Thomas Jefferson is a real person. So maybe I wouldn't outright say
it's disrespectful, but I'm definitely going to say this is weird. This is weird as heck.
"Gatekeeping is bad, but it ain't that serious." Here's why you're wrong. Actually, I think
gatekeeping is a pretty big issue because people kind of internalize it as bullying. It can be a
pretty awful feeling trying to enter a fandom, but immediately off the bat being made to feel like
you don't belong there because you don't share the same common opinion as everyone else. And I
personally think that can have lasting effects outside... You can tell that people have tried
to gatekeep me out of fandoms, right? Basically that's what I'm trying to say. I didn't like it.
"There worst things about fandoms is how things literally made for children become adults spaces,
like My Little Pony, for example. It's full of adult content and racism. It's a show
about magic horses made for little girls. They can like it, but holy crap, can they shut up?"
Here's why you're right. Honestly, if you go onto the internet and Google My Little Pony,
you're not going to get very far before you see something that will make you regret going onto
the internet and Googling My Little Pony. And let's be honest, we know a whole bunch
of little boys and girls are on the internet Googling My Little Pony. So yes, adults have
absolutely made it weird. And please stop. "Reader X character fics are the fan fiction
equivalent of hell." Here's why you're right. Those shouldn't exist. But it's even worse when
they're like reader X real person. Like why are y'all doing... I have to move on.
"To every music fandom out there: underground music does not equal good music and neither does
popular music. The Beatles aren't the best band ever, they have too much hype to lose their title.
And if you listen to musical slash K-Pop slash Justin Bieber on a regular basis, your earbuds are
dead." Right, so here's why you're right. Here's why you're right. And here's why you're wrong. No,
underground music isn't automatically good, and popular music definitely isn't automatically good.
You're also correct about The Beatles. They're not the best band by a long shot. However, they're
a great band with an amazing catalog worth of songs. But yeah, some people do like to act like
The Beatles are just hands down the best thing to ever happen to music. And they weren't. But
you're absolutely wrong, I listened to musicals and Justin Bieber and because I'm reviewing BTS's
album next week, K-Pop as well. And I'll have you know, my earbuds are not dead. Okay? They're
just fine. Y'all like that little Air Pod flex? "The furry fandom online is nothing like IRL.
It's much more welcoming and wholesome. Even though memes about furries are funny and I'll
laugh at most of them. Have a nice day and don't forget to uwu." Here's why you're right. I think,
well, you know what? I'm going to go ahead and say, here's why you're wrong. Okay. No,
actually the more I think about it, you're kind of right. Well, I think when the furry fandom
from online spills into real life, that's when you start running into issues, like with Rainfurrest.
But no, for the most part I think IRL furries are nowhere near as toxic, weird, and creepy as
online furries. Obviously I'm not referring to all of them, just the toxic, weird, and creepy
ones. Because again, I think when you remove the element of performing in front of a group, things
just become more personal and a lot less extreme. "I have a theory that the more privileged
someone's fave is, the more toxic the fandom is." Okay. Why are you right? Wait,
you might be onto something. All right, I'm going to have to think about that one more,
but this person might've just did something. "Animal Crossing fans are the chillest group
of individuals." Here's why you're wrong. I'm in the Animal Crossing fandom. I'm a 21 year old man,
by the way. And while I am typically rather chill about my Animal Crossing obsession, let me explain
you something. If Nintendo pushes back the release date of this next Animal Crossing game,
the AC fandom is not going to be the chillest one by a long shot. So I think outwardly we're
kind of like a chill fandom, but we have the potential to riot just because let's be honest,
Nintendo has been starving us lately. "The Star Wars fandom is awful." I'm
just going to stop you right there. Here's why you're right. They are. Next.
"No matter how wholesome the source material is, you're still going to garner a vocal majority
that will be toxic, such as Steven Universe, how the fans will go harass people to the..."
Oh. Holy crap. I forgot that happened. Here's why you're right. It doesn't matter if the show
is about fricking friendship, like My Little Pony, you're still going to result in an awful
fandom. And I think for the most part that's just because people in general are awful. So like a
collection of Steven Universe fans is still at the end of the day, a collection of human
beings. Therefore it's going to be pretty bad. "Also worst fandom is Smash." Here's why you're
wrong. The Smash fandom is perfectly fine. And I'm not just saying that because I'm in it.
"People trying to act woke in a fandom, like trying to argue that fan cams are cultural
appropriation, are the actual people who need to be educated." Here's why you're right. I think
when people kind of take it upon themselves to educate everybody who breaks any sort of,
I don't know, woke rules, you really need to reevaluate why you feel the need to correct any
and everyone around you. I think a lot of times when people approach something from the stance
of, "Here, let me educate you," they're kind of masking a very toxic trait as something designed
to help you. And it's ugly. And just because you're doing it with Steven Universe characters
and not real people doesn't make it any less ugly. "Homestuck's always called cancerous when it comes
to fandoms, but most of their biggest offenses come from being very young and inexperienced
with cosplaying conventions." Here's why you're wrong. I think the reason, well first of all,
I don't think it's cancerous. I think that's just such a weird word that people use. But I
will say there's a lot of weird stuff going on. And it's not necessarily just because of the age
or the cosplay. It's the role play. I've seen people in public spaces on the internet kind of
act like they're Homestuck characters even down to like the weird typing. And it's just like, "Why?"
"I'm not the person that should say what you should or should not ship... Yeah, but you're
going to anyway." This person is exactly like me. But if you ship incest slash age gap slash
something abusive, you should rethink that. "Fiction is not total escape from reality."
Here's why you're right. I see far too many people trying to say, "Oh well it's fictional
characters and it's not hurting anyone." Cool. That is not going to stop me from saying that
it's weird and that I don't think it's correct. "Making fun of people's interests is scummy,
even if you still like that thing. I.E. making fun of kids who still like FNAF even though
you still like it. If you still like a thing, that doesn't make it okay to make fun of other
people for also liking it." Actually I think if you used to like something, but then you
grow out of it and start making fun of literal children who like it still, that probably says
a whole lot more about you than it does about the kids. So this person is absolutely right.
"Children should not be included in some fandoms. I don't hate children, but some stuff is clearly
meant for adults." Here's why you're right. I'm never one of those people who's like,
"Think of the kids!" But I will say I encounter certain profiles on the internet,
and from the kind of media that they're posting I would assume they're like 20, but then you look
at their bio and they're literally 15. "Just because the author says something
happened during the books but didn't write about it should not mean it's canon. Looking at you,
Joanne." Here's why you're wrong. J.K. Rowling just paid me to tell you that
you're wrong. So, guess you're wrong. "My Hero Academia, Voltron and BTS stans
are weak compared to Hetalia and Homestuck fans. Change my mind." Okay. I'll absolutely
change your mind. Voltron is worse than any of the groups that you just mentioned. And I say
this as somebody who's watched the majority of the first few Voltron seasons, just stay far,
far away from those people. And if you've heard of them, then you know what I'm talking about.
"Shipping children is weird. Especially offscreen. Characters is a little more forgivable,
but kids IRL being shipped is gross, like Finn Wolfhard and Millie Bobby Brown." Yeah. That's
absolutely gross. They're children. Holy crap. And as much as I would like to say, "Duh," I
see people do this. So I know why this person brought that here. I've said it once and I'll say
it again, reevaluate your life. If someone's under 18, you don't really need to be thinking about who
they're with or in a romantic relationship at all. "Some fans called our idol offensive nicknames,
like Rat Coward et cetera, jokingly, forgetting that they aren't friends and
they just simply receive an interaction that leads to an acquaintance type relationship.
And they don't realize that probably makes their idol uncomfortable. This take feeds into the
recent discussions of parasocial relationships." Here's why you're right. Sometimes I see people
post just the weirdest things about people that they actually like. And I'm like, "Bro,
from just looking at your account, I would assume you were like an anti." Familiarity
breeds contempt is true. I think feeling a certain familiarity with your fave can lead to you being
just kind of mean. I don't know, it's a weird phenomenon. And I think somebody who knows more
about it than me should make a video about it. "People act like K-Pop stans are the only annoying
ones. Like I've seen the same Lady Gaga and Ariana Grande fan cams under a ton of tweets and y'all
are quiet about it. But then suddenly it's K-Pop and it's a sin. Like, okay." Here's why you're
wrong. Actually, I've seen so many Taylor Swift fan cams, and they were kind of innocent. But
then I'll see someone reply like, "Okay, Swifty, how's it feel to stan a flop? Imagine stanning
Taylor." And I'm just like, "Holy crap. They just posted a fan cam." So no, I think everybody
gets backlash for posting fan cams. And I think that's because ultimately fan cams are annoying.
"We should stop shaming people for being in particular fandoms because to some degree
they all have something terrible about them." Here's why you're right. Just because you're
in the FNAF fandom doesn't mean you're okay with kids being stuffed into animatronics. You know,
I think people do kind of look at fandoms and attribute all the negative aspects to
every single person within the fandom. And that's absolutely unfair. It's like saying,
"Oh, you liked Avengers? So you support Thanos wiping out half the universe." It's a movie.
"Stop basing your entire being and identity on a piece of media for God's sake." Here's
why you're right. I don't know how people do that. Honestly, I want someone to look
at me one day the same way a BTS stan account looks at BTS's latest album. Which I will be
reviewing next week, don't forget about that. "Amino is absolute crap and people should stop
promoting it because of the amount of..." Oh no. I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah. If this is
true, here's why you're right. Holy crap. Someone needs to do something about that.
"If you're an adult and you like media created primarily for kids, that's fine
and dandy. But if you talk down about kids who enjoy it and publicly post NSFW images of it,
then you need to be exterminated." Here's why you're right. Oh my gosh. Why would you even post
not safe for work images of kids fandoms? Then again, it's something that I've seen. You know,
so many of these I wish were just common sense, but having been on the internet a long time,
I've seen examples of literally everything y'all are talking about. So you're right.
"Liking old music doesn't mean you have good music tastes and dubstep is the only inherently
bad genre of music." Here's why you're wrong. Dubstep is not inherently bad, okay. In fact,
a lot of popular music right now just straight up stole elements from dubstep, drum and bass EDM,
et cetera. So I mean, if it's inherently bad, it sure did have a large impact on the
rest of music. Also, I'm just salty because I really liked Scrillex when I was like 13.
"The Billie Eilish and Melanie Martinez fandoms have to calm down and about Billie and Melanie
both having a song called Copycat and referencing each other's lyrics in those songs." Here's why
you're right. I went to go listen to Copycat by Melanie Martinez featuring Tierra Whack,
and the comments section was just full of people either talking about how Melanie copied Billie,
talking about how people need to stop talking about how Melanie copied Billie,
or talking about the fact that there were no people talking about how Melanie copied Billie,
so people need to stop talking about people not talking about it. Bro,
nobody cares. Just enjoy the music please. "The Jesus fandom is full of bullies that have
abandoned the canon." Oh my God. Literally imagine stanning Jesus but still being rude to people
online. Like did you not see the gospel story arc where Jesus went around not judging people,
but rather sitting with them. Honestly, the Jesus fandom needs to get it together.
"Benedict Cumberbatch is the ugliest human being in existence." Here's why you're wrong. Honestly,
when he was the dragon in the Hobbit movie, he was kind of thick. Not going to lie.
"Fandoms suck in general, too many extremists that make things weird or blindly fight for
people they don't even know." Here's why you're right. I think the blindly fighting for people
they don't know part is super weird. Just because you're in a fandom doesn't mean you
have to excuse any semblance of wrongdoing from your fave. I mean y'all will literally pretend
like Police records don't exist. Video footage wasn't captured. Things did not come out of
your faves literal mouths. Some people will do anything to just paint this perfect image where
their fave can do no wrongdoing, but then when they get called out on it, they just switch to,
"Well they're just a human being and nobody's perfect." Okay, Chris Brown stans.
But honestly I think that's kind of a good one to leave off on. Fandoms suck
in general. You know what, they do. You would think that something designed to bring people
together would do that. But all it does is just cause chaos. And it's like a breeding
ground for salt. Salt doesn't breed. It's like a salt crystal, okay? Fandoms are just awful,
but I'm not leaving any of the ones I'm in and you're probably not either. So honestly who cares.