hello everybody i'm jesse waters along
with greg gutfeld
dana perino juan williams and dagon
mcdowell
it's five o'clock in new york city and
this is the five
it's the day after the derek chovin
verdict the former minneapolis officer
found guilty on all counts
for the death of george floyd now the
conversation has turned to
police reform liberals aren't satisfied
with a verdict yesterday and are
still making calls to abolish the police
earlier today attorney general merrick
garland announcing a doj investigation
into the minneapolis
police department practices but
democratic congresswoman debbie dingle
offering a voice of reason
as to how the country could move forward
take a listen
okay we got a problem in this country
but
we gotta not we gotta stop taking paint
brushes
and painting everybody and letting
ourselves be falsely pitted
we need racial justice and we need
public safety
all right juan i think you would agree
with that balance that sounds fair to me
i think the point she was trying to make
is
you know not all officers are racist not
all blacks or criminals
that's something you know
that has divided this country over the
last couple years how do you see her
comments
i think the congresswoman is exactly
right jessie
um you know i i i think that there there
is a real
common ground between good policing and
racial justice
and i think that debbie dingle has hit
just the right note for everyone
you know i think for many people the
thought is oh the chauvin
verdict is the end of the story but i
think it's an opportunity to really
start a conversation
about good policing i think that's why
you see the justice department saying
they'll look
at the pattern and practice of how the
minneapolis police department was being
operated
and again the hope is that we're not
talking about defunding we're talking
about
real practical steps that everybody can
get behind and say this is going to make
us safer because that's the goal of
policing is to have safer communities
i think the chauvin case did expose you
know what people
black people specifically have been
saying for a long time that there are
instances of police abuse and
we saw it on the videotape and that
helped to change the conversation so
that everyone can see
and say i believe my eyes you know i i
just ask people look at the tape
look at it for yourself and say you know
what i said what i saw was an abuse of
power
and i saw a man get killed so now it's a
matter of all
of us opening our eyes to what people
have been saying for years you know and
what the statistics clearly show
in terms of you know i think it's the
thousand
people killed by police every year um
over the last 15
years only about a hundred police
officers have been
charged with a crime in any of those
instances
and only 35 have ever been convicted and
most of them not convicted of murder
but of negligence manslaughter lesser
charges
so now we have a chance to say well you
know what we need to talk about this
because it's not good to have a whole
segment of the population
feeling that the police are there not to
protect them but in fact to harass
or abuse them so i i think at this point
it's a good
point to start the conversation let's do
it honestly let's not
you know fall into stereotypes and
tropes
i agree and why don't we start that
conversation dana
with some practical examples there was a
situation in ohio last night
where 911 call went out a black teenage
girl
was about to stab another teenager to
death
had the knife like this wheeled in the
knife about to stab her to death
wouldn't listen to commands from the
officer
white officer responds shoots the
teenager
ends up saving the other teenager's life
and that media is that is just framed by
the media
totally recklessly as again white
officer
shoots black teenager that's the
headline
and i i just think you can't have an
honest conversation as juan wants to as
we all want to
if you're just going to irresponsibly
depict every officer as a killer when if
you read the
paragraph below the headline it's a lie
right
there's been a lot of coverage on this
and more to come because i don't know if
you saw
jesse but lebron james decided to
he posted a picture of the officer and
said you're next
hashtag accountability and he has since
deleted that tweet but it was up for
quite a long time like what did you mean
by that
because i thought that yesterday we were
talking about the importance of
the integrity of jury trials and
believing in
that institution in addition
what you had in the chauvin trial which
was a big difference to maybe perhaps
some of the things that juan is talking
about in terms of other encounters is
that you had video
what did you have in columbus you had
video
so it could be that video well at some
point
you will look at the evidence and it'll
be presented from the jury and the video
will lead people to say
as the prosecution said you can believe
your own eyes
and that might then work against a
police officer
but then you have a situation like in
columbus and i think that the police
department was very smart
to release that video right away because
it also could be that a video could show
us the entire situation the split-second
decision
the situation where another young girl's
life was in danger at the hands of
another
so all of that could happen um just at
the point of debbie dingle i think that
one
she could be a real leader on this and
she's trying if you remember though just
a year ago
when they were running for president and
vice president biden and harris were
basically saying that doing nothing in
terms of legislation was better than
doing
something that is when they used the
filibuster to go after tim scott's bill
now
perhaps going forward and in the spirit
of
that we can all feel today maybe there
is a way to
revisit that and i as i understand it
tim scott says that they are close on a
compromise and
that they're seeking a path forward and
i think we should all just hopefully
have an open mind and see what they have
to say and see if we can actually get
something done this time
i don't know if we will get something
done degan i heard the president of the
united states
last night go out and tell the american
people that
black americans are scared to death when
they go to the grocery store
i'm not black maybe maybe i have no idea
could be true doesn't sound true i just
feel like when you say something like
that
i just i just don't see it
the rhetoric coming out of the white
house from biden and co
is very troubling and i'll point to what
jen saki said today
about that shooting in columbus here's
what she said
john paul horowitz has a comment about
it in the new york post and he said she
suggested
almost explicitly said that it was an
illegitimate
racist shooting right here's what she
said
she was a child we're thinking of her
friends and family in the communities
that are hurting and grieving her laws
we know that police violence
disproportionately impacts
black and latino people and communities
and that black women and girls like
black men
and boys experience higher rates of
police violence
it wasn't about a young woman's life
being saved
it wasn't about a young woman with a
knife in her hand
horrific as it is the the language that
is being used by this white house
is driving racial divisions even further
and the fact that debbie dingle would
have to come out and say what she did
kind of shows how far gone this nation
is it's upside down backwards and broken
where the fact you have to come out and
say that
we need the police the police protect us
we need law enforcement
you know back some days ago or years ago
it would have been a reasonable and
rational thing to say
but now it's instead taken as something
incendiary and inflammatory