>> Harris: AND THE NEWS IS
BREAKING.
WE NOW HAVE BRAND-NEW
TRANSCRIPTS IN THE CLOSED-DOOR
INTERVIEWS AND DEPOSITIONS THAT
DEMOCRATS AND A FEW REPUBLICANS
HELD WITH WITNESSES AND THE
DEMOCRATS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.
SO MUCH LIKE YESTERDAY, IT IS
RELEASED ONLINE.
SO WE ARE ALL TAKING TO OUR
DEVICES AND TRYING TO CATCH UP
QUICKLY.
WE HAVE EXCERPTS FIRST FROM THE
JOINT INTERVIEW WITH KURT
VOLKER, SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE
FOR UKRAINE, NEGOTIATIONS
CONDUCTED ON OCTOBER 3RD.
HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE
ON INTELLIGENCE HOUSE COMMITTEE
ON OVERSIGHT AND REFORM, SO ON
AND SO FORTH.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT STATEMENT?
NO ONE WHEN WE STARTED USING A
TEMPO OF ENGAGEMENT WITH
UKRAINE, WE HAD FIRST THE SENSE
THAT RUDY GIULIANI IS NOT GOING
TO BE CONVINCED THAT IT MEANT
ANYTHING.
IT FEELS OUT OF CONTEXT, I WANT
TO GO TO YOU, JUDY, BECAUSE WE
ARE JUST READING IT AS IT IS
HAPPENING.
>> I DON'T EXPECT TO HEAR
ANYTHING THAT IS INCONSISTENT
WITH WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD,
AND THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT WE
HAVE HEARD SUPPORTS THE
TESTIMONY OR THE STATEMENT OF
THE WHISTLE-BLOWER, AND KURT
VOLKER IS A VERY IMPORTANT
FIGURE IN THIS.
AND I THINK THAT HIS NAMING OF
RUDY GIULIANI IS BEING
EFFECTIVELY THE SHADOW FOR
ADMINISTER, THE SHADOW SECRETARY
OF STATE.
>> Harris: THIS IS TORN FROM
PAGES 226-227.
THERE ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED LIKE
WE SAID.
NOT EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE WITH
THAT ASSESSMENT, BUT SOME SAY
THAT IT REALLY BOLSTERS THE
PRESIDENT.
>> IT DOES BOLSTER THE PRESIDENT
POLITICALLY TO SOME EXTENT.
LOOK, THEY ARE LEAKING THIS
STUFF OUT IN DRIPS AND DROPS.
>> Harris: WHEN YOU SAY
THEY --
>> THE DEMOCRATS.
TALKING ABOUT A RUN OF THE MILL
INVESTIGATION OF THE
STATE DEPARTMENT, WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE OF
ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE OO
ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE OF
THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
THE FACT THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE
GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH WITH
AN IMPEACHMENT PROCESS THAT IS
SIMPLY LEAKING MATERIAL OUT LIKE
THIS AND SPUN BY THE PRESS
BECAUSE THEY LEAK OUT THE WORST
PIECES OF THE CONVERSATIONS.
I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE
SITTING OUT THERE, IT BOLSTERS
THE VIEW THAT IT IS NOT A
LEGITIMATE PROCESS.
>> Harris: PAGES 226-227,
INTENDED TO PURSUE ALLEGATIONS
BY AMBASSADOR VOLKER, WARNING
RUDY GIULIANI THAT HE WAS NOT
CREDIBLE.
HE SAID IN HIS DEPOSITION, SO I
HAD LEARNED THROUGH THE MEDIA
THAT HE WAS GOING TO GO TO
UKRAINE, AND HE WAS INTENDING TO
PURSUE THESE ALLEGATIONS.
AND HE WAS GOING TO INVESTIGATE
THESE THINGS.
I REACHED OUT TO HIM TO BRIEF
HIM.
A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS, NOT
CREDIBLE.
DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT HE IS
SAYING.
YOU TOLD RUDY GIULIANI THAT THE
STINKO IS NOT CREDIBLE?
YES, I DID.
JUDY.
>> ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE VOLKER
TRYING TO WALK THIS VERY FINE
LINE BETWEEN WHAT HE KNOWS IS
HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO THE
UNITED STATES.
AND WHAT HE KNOWS RUDY GIULIANI
WANTS FROM HIM, AND THE
PRESIDENT PRESUMABLY, AN
INVESTIGATION OF THE PRESIDENT'S
DEMOCRATIC RIVAL.
>> Harris: I WANT TO JUMP IN
THERE, BECAUSE I DON'T HEAR THE
PRESIDENT'S NAME IN THIS
PARADIGM VERY BASIC.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE
ASSUMING OR PRESUMABLY RUDY
GIULIANI IS WORKING ON BEHALF OF
THE PRESIDENT, THAT'S NOT WHAT
THE DEPOSITION ON THE PAGE AS
FAR INTO THIS.
YOU HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE
THING, AND WE WILL.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS WITNESS
SAYS.
THAT'S WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID.
>> WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT
DID HAVE THE PHONE CONVERSATION
WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY OF
UKRAINE.
>> Harris: THE PRESIDENT
RELEASED THE CALL RECORD.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, BUT HOW CLOSELY
THE PRESIDENT IS TIED TO THE
EVENTS IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION.
>> Harris: BUT SUCH DIRE
CIRCUMSTANCES OF IMPEACHING THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?
>> IT IS A WORTHY POLITICAL
ISSUE, IF THEY WANT TO VOTE FOR
OR AGAINST HIM ON THIS NEXT