Hi guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on ForgottenWeapons.com.
I'm Ian McCollum, and today we're taking a look at an early
developmental version of what would become,
well, what didn't become the SIG P210.
It almost did. This is a SIG 44/16, and that is basically
a developmental SIG 210 with a double-stack 16 round magazine.
I think it's really cool. I think it's actually better than what was adopted,
the 44/8 with the single-stack 8 round mag that became
the Danish military pistol, the Swiss military pistol, and then the commercial SIG 210.
Now the background of this thing is that this was actually sent here to Sweden as a test pistol.
And in fact the first customer for SIG with what would basically become the P210,
was the Swedish Shooters Association, and this was kind of a combination of
competition shooting organisation and sort of national militia.
It was an organisation to teach military skills at arms in the form of competitive shooting.
And so in 1947 ... there was a major dealer in Sweden who ... basically got together with the Swedish Shooting
Association and figured, "You know, we want a new good pistol. Let's ... find a good one."
And they found SIG and SIG sent them a ... 44/16 and a 44/8 to test.
And the Swedish Shooters, the management, the high echelon of the group,
decided that they liked the single-stack 8 round gun better than the double-stack 16 round gun,
because they didn't like the size of the grip on this 16 rounder.
They found the 8 rounder to be easier to shoot more accurately.
Now, I think it's important to keep in mind that this was from a target competition ...
think of this very much like the American ... early NRA with its long distance, fixed range, bullseye rifle shooting.
And there were a number of American rifles that were in part designed to do very well on that competition field,
which may or may not have had much in common with actual rifle combat. The same thing applies here.
This pistol was ... rejected on the basis of bullseye competition,
and not so much the concept that we may have today of a ... sidearm as an actual combat weapon.
At any rate, the Swedish Shooters Association decided on the 8 round gun.
This one was left as it was as a developmental prototype, never to be seen again,
and the 8 round guns were adopted.
Now I actually have one of the early SIG P47/48 pistols that was sold to the Swedish Shooters Association,
and so we are going to take a look at that gun compared to this one.
Because in addition to the magazine size, there are also a couple of other internal changes that were made.
And then comes the fun part, then we are going to take this out to the range and see how it shoots.
So from the side, it's actually a little bit difficult to tell the difference. This is one of the production guns,
this is the 44/16. And obviously you can really see that best from the bottom, looking at the magazines.
So what we have here is a double-stack magazine.
Really kind of elaborate numbering here on the back, instead of holes, to ... see where the cartridges are.
You actually have little lines here that line up with the top of the follower when you have cartridges loaded, so.
16 was a pretty substantial magazine capacity in 1947.
The rest of the gun is pretty similar to what would end up being adopted.
In fact, It's extremely similar. A few minor changes, things like the safety on this is not located under the grip,
largely because the frame is wider to accommodate the larger magazine.
So, in fact if you look at this guy we have the safety covered by the grip frame because everything is narrower.
On this one there's no reason to make the grip even wider still to cover the safety.
So we have this configuration. And then internally there's also kind of a relevant change.
Disassembly is very simple. We're going to pull this back a little bit, pop the slide stop pin out,
barrel [slide] comes off, ... then the captive recoil spring comes out,
and the barrel comes out, and the fire-control element comes out, and there's our field-stripped pistol.
So probably the most substantial of the minor changes here is to the slide stop.
On the 44/16 there is this piece coming out of the frame that retains the slide stop in position.
That has the little spring-loaded detent on the end that snaps into that. As a result,
the recoil lug in here is solid all the way out to the frame.
On the production guns, you can see that there is a slot
cut between the side of the frame and the recoil lug there. And that was done to add
a spring on the inside that keeps
the slide stop pin captive.
So the production version here is a little ... sleeker on the outside,
but from a durability perspective the 44/8 actually did that a little bit better.
Like all of the other Petter pistols, including everything in the SIG 210 family,
the fire-control group here is a single removable unit to make it easily replaceable in the field.
That's great for armourers and military logistics, or large-scale logistics.
Anyway, I did check just for kicks, and ... the fire control group is not actually
directly interchangeable with ... anything else in the 210 family.
It's exactly the same design, but ... some of the dimensions are just slightly changed to fit this frame.
And just a couple other elements to point out. This does have a loaded chamber indicator,
early SIG feature. It does also have a pin retaining the firing pin.
Later iterations of the design would have a retaining plate more like a 1911.
Single action only of course, a pretty nice trigger. And it does have a magazine safety.
And I guess I should also point out the heel release.
And with all of that in mind, I think it is definitely time to take this out to the range and see how,
what I think could have been the best service pistol ever around, actually handles.
Whoo, it ... feels like a SIG 210, glass buttery smooth.
So the sights, really no surprise there. The trigger is quite light, it has a little bit of creep to it.
And the biggest thing that I've noticed is it actually has a lot of reset travel.
That's how far forward you have to let the trigger before you can fire a second shot.
And a couple times now I found myself trying to fire without letting the trigger fully reset.
That's a practice thing. ... That's something we take much more seriously now, it's
a feature that people look to, to have a very short reset, and it wasn't back in the '40s.
So that's kind of just ... iconic of guns of this age and not something they were specifically trying to address.
The grip works almost perfectly for me.
The SIG 210 in my experience bites, the hammer hits the web of my thumb and it kind of hurts.
This every once in a while will get me if I have a really high grip.
But the beaver tail is deep enough and the hammer is short enough that it's not really a problem.
And then the whole pistol is just fantastically smooth and very pleasant to shoot.
And it really feels kind of weird to be shooting a SIG 210 with 16 rounds in the magazine.
Although well, I seem to have just about emptied it there, but
you can shoot this thing about twice as long as any normal SIG that you might be used to.
There we go.
Excellent pistol. ... If they'd been looking for more of a fighting pistol and less of a target pistol,
this is what the ... Swiss and the Swedes and the Danes
and everybody else who adopted the SIG 210, they would have gone with the 16 round version.
Hopefully you guys enjoyed the video as much as I enjoyed shooting the gun.
Probably not quite, but hopefully close.
Hopefully you learned something about a cool pistol you hadn't been aware of.
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and bring you very cool pistols like this P44/16.
Thanks for watching.