this is gonna be Cory who's calling from
here in the US and you want to know why
we don't have the conviction to take a
stand on whether God exists yeah does
that sound about right did you want to
expound on that at all or like your
thoughts well first I just want to tell
you I agree with her thing you said
about the girl that didn't stand for the
Pledge of Allegiance and I support
people's right and that last caller he
sound like a really nice guy and there
is etiquette you use on the street you
don't just burn up the pregnant women I
can't lay my hands on you oh at least
you would ask right I mean you're saying
you're saying it seems weird to even ask
but there are women who are pregnant
we're like people come up to me and just
grab my stomach or my completely bizarre
but I support that girl's right to not
stand in Kaepernick there's a big
controversy I support him but I also
support people's right to believe in God
in our country sure I don't think that
we're against people's right to believe
in a god but why wouldn't you be why
wouldn't I be against your right to
believe a thing well first of all it
wouldn't matter if I was against it
because I can't control what people
believe so it would be a useless thing
to be against but you think I'm
dishonest for holding a religious
conviction oh no I don't think you're
dishonest why would you say that why
won't you think I'm dishonest if I can't
prove that my God exists because if you
believe it it doesn't you don't have to
believe things for good reasons
yeah but I'm forcing my agenda like on
the country like I want abortion hold on
you're asking why I don't think you're
dishonest yeah if you believe it then
you're not being dishonest you don't
have to be right right if a person
believes what they're saying they're not
being dishonest even if they're wrong
would you agree at least with that again
if a person believes a thing even if
they're wrong that's not dishonest
correct okay so if you believe it I'm
not gonna call you dishonest for what
you actually believe her for and if you
believe that it's your job to promote it
you're not being dishonest you're doing
what you're you believe is true correct
all right okay so we're good sweetie so
we might disagree on
things and but maybe we can agree on
some of those things sure good I mean if
I can't prove like you say that I have a
burden of proof from that if I believe
in God and I mean if I can't prove that
guys this does that mean he doesn't know
okay but it does it does raise the
question of why would you believe a
thing that you don't have evidence for
yeah I mean that's what we generally ask
is what do you believe in why do you
believe it and do you care yeah I
understand that I'm saying what we
usually ask is what do you believe why
do you believe it and do you care
whether it's true or not yeah I mean
what I believe is I'm a Bible believing
Christian that's what I believe and what
I believe is because I choose to mmm if
could you choose the fewer standing on a
tall building to believe that you could
jump off and not die well is it possible
to define a law of gravity not that I'm
aware of
well I mean I mean I could throw up I
can throw a pencil off the Empire State
Building in if I tied a helium balloon
to a witness there I go down but it's
not defying gravity there's like actual
physical laws that explain how that
works within gravity too but what I'm
pointing out is I don't think it's sort
of a choice for me whether I would
believe I'm going to die or not if I
jumped off a skyscraper I don't think
it's a choice I don't the idea that
beliefs are choices I think that you are
either convinced or something or you're
no no let's put that to the test then
mm-hmm I just did right I said if I was
gonna I did put that to the test well
let me put it to the test
let me put it to you in a different way
did you believe that God exists no no no
I what okay do you care if that's true
it did I guess it depends on what I
believe this my lack of belief is true
okay all right I'm conveying my mental
state accurately I I don't I wouldn't
know if it mattered whether it was true
or not until I under
stood I guess the claims being made so
we you know we've been doing this show
20-some odd years and we're always
asking for evidence for for God and I
have yet to hear anything very
compelling but yes I mean you may be the
guy if I'm wrong about a thing I would
want to be corrected if that's what
you're asking yeah yeah okay but you're
not claiming that there is no evidence
you're saying there's a lack of evidence
and that's a that's a big difference
it depend it depends on kind of how you
look at it some people say that evidence
that is uncompelled or irrelevant isn't
really evidence at all and other people
say it's poor evidence so if it depends
on how you look at it there's some
people who would say it is evidence but
it's not very compelling evidence and
other people would say we don't go out
of her way trying to promote unicorns
right if you're appealing to a claim
that unicorns exist I'd say you you lack
credibility well no no I think what Don
is saying is that if you don't believe a
unicorn eggs it's like kind of asking me
if if unicorns really did exist and my
lack of belief was incorrect would I
want to know and the answer would be you
know like yeah I guess I would I mean if
somebody wanted to show me a you know
the traditional unicorn that really is
there you're not just like a goat with
this with a single horn I've seen those
before I'd be interested but I don't
know that it would change you know or
rock my world right by that's like
saying like leprechauns too right sure
yeah it's exactly like that
and like for us that would be the same
as saying God well yeah but that's a
category error I think and here's why
because if Matt Dillahunty were
challenged say will you do a debate on
the existence of leprechauns you laugh
at that he won't take that on but he'd
do it on God but you're you're lumping
um oh no no no I'm let me get in the
snow you had to understand it's
categorized for us because we see them
as equally likely to exist based on
current wait wait wait wait wait based
on current evidence we see them as being
in the same category as far as our
assessment of a likelihood of existing
now what you're talking about wait what
you're talking about is whether Matt
would make a decision to debate this
that has more to do with the impact on
the society so if you're asking us does
do religious claims or do claims of God
impact society in a much greater way
than unicorns or leprechauns I would say
correct it does have a bigger impact on
society but if you're asking do I see
any reason to believe it from a category
like can i cat if I was going to
categorize it with leprechauns fairies
unicorns to me it's it's very similar
it's just the difference is that more
people believe this thing but I don't
see any greater reason to believe it
okay I did okay that's fair thank you
well I appreciate when you when you
listen and we converse then I think
that's good I think there's progress
being made in this conversation all
right well you guys have a nice time
okay well thank you for your call Cory
we really appreciate it