- When you were listening to Mark talk about you,
do you think that was a fair characterization, where
he's basically saying, look, he's putting Dillon at risk
here? DAVID: Negative.
He's putting him in danger.
Negative, of course not.
Because had he known the whole entire situation,
he would never say that.
It just looked like that based off
of what his head was telling him, you get what I'm saying?
I wouldn't say what my head was telling me.
No, no.
MARK: I would say just the race--
the race was telling me.
DAVID: Well, I mean, they going [INAUDIBLE] though.
I was being told on my end, he's going to be jumped
if he pledges to you guys.
And there was communication actually going to the yards.
And when I say yards, I mean prison.
And it came back that they would've [INAUDIBLE]
[INAUDIBLE] him out, you know?
This was one of a few incidents
where David actually thinks he's bigger than what's going on.
He thinks he can do his thing.
And when he did that, someone had to pay the price for David
bringing him in.
Which seems to be a revolving theme around David.
Well, I didn't really bring him in.
That's the thing.
See, that's why we're here, to clear the air.
OFFICER: No, but you violated the rules.
No, no.
Because I'm a secondary.
I got a head above me.
Am I correct?
OFFICER: Yeah.
I didn't call that shot.
I think you had more influence than you realize.
And you could influence him, to, hey, man, we can hang out
and stuff.
But you got to--
you got to follow the rules to an extent,
so you don't get beat down.
HOST: David, you quickly earned the trust
of the inmates in your pod.
But one choice you made had a direct impact
on one of the other participants,
putting him at risk.
Right?
Yeah, yeah.
Does that compromise you or Abner's cover story?
The footage speaks for itself.
But my thing is, what were your intentions?
Honestly-- and this is being honest--
no malicious intent.
I literally lost sight of myself.
I literally was thinking, yo, that's my homeboy.
We both from the-- and I remember saying,
like, we both from the East Coast.
[INAUDIBLE] For that, I apologize.
Because I really wasn't.
That was just a mental--
mental lapse.
You know what I'm saying?
If you think about it, look how I'm saying it.
I'm saying it like it's OK, like it's cool.
I'm not saying it like-- - Right.
--yo, go [MUTED] him up.
You know what I'm saying?
He d, d, d, d, d.
I'm just talking in general.
You feel me?
I understand that your intention was not malicious.
But that's the difference between me and you.
I've been there.
Talk about the threat that you felt.
When I read the sign language, it
was Chicano, green light, program,
snitch, yeah, confirmation.
And one of the letters used was S-K,
you know, like saying shank.
And I was like, they're waiting for a shank
to come from the other side.
I'm not here for that.
DAVID: I literally was just talking.
I got lost in that [MUTED],, though.
OFFICER: Well, and I'm going to--
I did get lost in it, though.
And one of the things that you struggled with
is the more power you got, the less things mattered to you.
Yeah.
Right.
And you can see it in your face.
You're like, meh--
That's true.
--whatever.
HOST: Can you understand why Abner--
For sure.
--was so upset and angry?
I would never question it.
You're correct to be upset at me.
Yeah.
OFFICER: There couldn't have been
a worse person to say it to.
[LAUGHS]
B-Shaw was like--
Anybody else, I could have pretty much
covered, if you told a Chicano.
And then you had problems with him.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't know until he confirmed it was you.
Yeah.
And that's why we were all talking.
Because he brought up he had a little squabble.
I'm like, well, ooh, you know, [INAUDIBLE]..
Oh, man, what?
But you do take responsibility--
For sure, no question about it.
HOST: --for what you did and-- - Yeah.
--what happened?
Yes.
Do you forgive him, now, that you--
Oh, of course, not only as a Christian,
but I know his caliber.
And that's-- that's not him.
I know it wasn't malice.
But it's like, here I am.
I'm like, man, he's got to know some street smart.
But then again, I'm like, oh, he's in law enforcement.
He's in the streets.
[LAUGHTER]
He's in the streets.
DAVID: No.
But he's-- he's a good guy.
He's not the bad guy.