well what's with us I on Andina
assaults on science why do
oil billionaires like the Koch brothers fund
attacks on things like evolution could it be that
science says global warming is happy don't know I don't get it Steven Myers
weathers
other signature in the cell a subtitle his new book da rather title his new
book darwin's doubt the subtitle explosive or Jim animal life in the case
for intelligent design
armies with the Discovery Institute which is one of these
I think tanks that well to %uh that a federal judge a court has said
the Institute manufactures the controversy
as well as the American Association for the Advancement science at many for sure
factors the controversy they want to teach by promoting a false perception
that evolution is a theory in crisis Stephen welcome
great to be with you again time we talked for years ago I think
and appreciate the United program you thank you
arm I don't get why why are you guys
constantly trying to cast aspersions on science
well you know there's a the I love the old billing phrase you can criticize
what you don't understand
and I'm really happy to answer critical questions about the work that we do
that I do but I'm not sure you've characterized
the position and i'm taking accurately I'm not anti-science
I'm doing scientific work and
the fact is that if you get into them literature in evolutionary biology
itself what you find is
that there is a brat %uh release deep criticism
about some in the fundamental aspects a fellow sorry Syrian the book that I've
written
actually tell the story of one of those concerns that has been around since
Darwin's time itself within the Origin of Species
star when expressed concern about an event in the remote past known as the
Cambrian explosion the sudden appearance
have animal life in the father record and
what Darwin didn't know is good I I was that back come a bit now it's grown up
to be a luster to other fundamental crisis and evolutionary biology
as illustrated not only by the criticisms that evolutionary biologist
for making a standard the other one in theory
but also as illustrated by their attempts to generate new theories
evolution and there are
6 such new theories that I dress in the book clearly any field that is
in this is a has a stable established position
is not in that kinda ferment when there are so many different theories being
proposed to try to
explain a fundamental problem at the origin a form and yours a biological
information to
to keep things I dress in the book yeah and Plato do address the Stuy said you
know
if you if you have read plato an asshole theory if the
the shadow in the cave you know that all of reality is just a an attempt to
replicate the pure and true form that exists in the metal world
basically but the that it none of that a
you and i talked about this last year we did it does go back all the way to the
ancient Greeks which is one the reasons why
but what the ancient Greeks didn't know is that there was a time
in the United States even when carries a time in the world excuse me
there's a time in the history of this plan a when the atmosphere was
principally not made up of oxygen it was principally made above nitrogen and
sulfur
and there were there were bacteria that evolved and
and been plants that evolved principally plants evolved
that that metabolize that nitrogen and produced as a waste product
oxygen and that that weighs got it the atmosphere shifted
to a primarily oxygen atmosphere there was a massive extinction associated with
that
and then there was an explosion of oxygen base life our action consuming
life for okay then use the so you're pure you're proposing the
oxygen the oxygenation up the Precambrian atmosphere generated k
marine animals
how does a an increase in oxygen produced new genetic code
how to produce the epigenetic information is needed to build an animal
there's no can the way that any genetic code is produced by evolution what I i
buy buy hundreds of billions
a random mutations every second there's a billion up going on your body of the
second thing you know some of those mutations survive in most of them don't
you're just a certain things let me let me give your I'm not asserting claims
this is this is science 101
but no no I i'm I've done some science 101 let me give you some and I want you
to react to it
there is a there is a a problem in evolutionary theory Scott the problem
embryonic lethal
what people like the way their hand and say the mutations have all this almost
magical power
but if you want to build a new animal body plan which is what
is arising in the game explosion several
almost two dozen new animal body plans a rise in the Cayman explosion
you have to change before a family very early in the developmental trajectory
even animal
the media the mutations have two curly to affect the cell divisions that are
taking place in affect everything downstream in the development
up an animal from embryo to adult form
problem is that the mutations the kind that you would need to do that
early acting body plan mutations are not only deleterious
they're always lethal they produce something called embryonic lethal to
this is a proactive
nobel prize-winning research in developmental biology and I'm all
chapter in the book
just on this one II look at five separate problems
that the new darwinian mechanism basis this is just one of those five
but the problem embryonic lethal for those early acting body plantations is
huge because
well showing is that the kinda mutations you would need to building came for an
animal form
we don't get the kind we get we do get mutation some of them are beneficial but
if they occur late in the development of an animal they're not gonna change by
the plan development
so this is a real scientific problem you're it is not a scientific what what
I've done
by my hand and the work that you have done is a chart ology it's not science
you you start out with the promise that there is an intelligent creator
know that start with the premise that there's an you absolutely have snow
tonight is the
that and and the people who are fun in your workers are not without precedent
or or that there's a problem with science as the work again
it's not a foundational promise that the people who make presuppositions are
those who presuppose
that that science may not consider the possibility
other non materialistic explanation and yet there are phenomena in our
experience namely the present
additional information that we know from experience
always arises from intelligence source from a non materials because
you can walk into the Rosetta a in the British Museum look at the Rosetta Stone
and say
she isn't that wonderful what went in erosion did we know that there are
certain types of phenomena that require intelligence just because human beings
have written things down does not mean
that a that a an All Wise all onto all independent
create her I love who I with perfect reform all he did this universe your
again misrepresenting my work I argue
that their mess your suggestion that there were is intelligence
for the good information that arises in these big events in the history of life
and I'm doing that on the basis of our experience a cause-and-effect what we
know from
our experience because the fact is that information especially when we find an
additional form
always arises from an intelligent agent with what is the benefit to you and your
fellow
that and your fellow travelers in your funders in with a dumbing down an entire
generation of American children
sorry I didn't hear you talking over me I don't what is the benefit to you and
your funders and your
and your fellow travelers have done in down an entire generation of American
children for
and having them believe that science I heart is something
other than and other than a valuable and useful way to understand the world
they are you are you interested in interviewing me or just I ask you a
question you tried in Iraqi four times in the middle of my question
you were interrupting me no you ask me if you're interested in coming down I
said we're not interested in going down
the very that this because 753 scientific references
I just gave you a scientific argument about about the problem a
early acting body point is you not a scientific argument and many be
references
are are not scientific at this is not scientific analysis to
price to book them why did a mock amok Splunk
Institute just this purpose Facebook why do the vast as you I did paleontologist
Mount Holyoke
praised the book you know why was there a scientist who is willing to say
tobacco doesn't cause cancer why is there so I just not a willing to say
your global warming is a hoax why do you interrupt me every time I get a half way
into a son's
well go ahead I just finished
I'm not defending the anything about tobacco
I want to be able to find you do making a scientific argument based on
cutting-edge
research in molecular biology paleontology developmental biology
it's not anti-science witches are you you began the program at the caricature
are are well I'll leave you with this food the final word Stephen Maher PhD of
a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute of the new book
darwin's doubt the website is Darwin's doubts outcome
and of course the Discovery Institute you can be overlooked on Stephen thank
you for your Steve thank you for being amazing
recovered and his previous book a signature on this of
will be worth it