KEVIN FRAZIER: Luke, let me ask you this.
Why did you have sex with someone
that you weren't attracted to?
So we'll start way back in the beginning.
Let's start.
Just get it here.
So we're out at the dinner.
It was on the honeymoon. LUKE: Yes.
OK. Go ahead.
We're back.
We probably wrap up at 12:00, right?
We're in the room.
You're, you know-- you're like kind of coming at me real hard.
And you can't go to sleep when you're
horny unless you have relief.
No.
We were in bed cuddling.
You were only wearing boxers.
You were always the one that initiates cuddling with me.
So I just thought that maybe we could
have sex on our honeymoon.
So we talked about it for like five minutes.
And then, at the end of the conversation, I was like, OK.
So do you want to have sex?
And you said, yes.
And then, you went up, you got a condom, and we had sex.
And I noticed something was off, so I asked you if you were OK.
And you said, no, I feel dead inside.
And then, you got up, went to the bathroom, and you said,
I feel repulsed.
I know that I'm not your type, but like
repulsed and dead inside--
we need to talk.
And your first answer after I said, we need to talk
was, do you think that I'm a homosexual?
So--
OK.
So you're having sex with this woman,
and you did not want to have sex with her.
No.
KEVIN FRAZIER: And you are ashamed that you did that.
I was really mad at myself.
But after that, you continue to have sex with her.
Why did you keep doing it?
To make her be happy.
KEVIN FRAZIER: To make her happy?
Yeah.
We were continuing to have sex.
And Luke was just being--
he was being weird afterwards.
KEVIN FRAZIER: No, what?
Let's talk about it.
This is the time.
[music playing]
I was not having normal reactions that you
normally have after sex.
[music playing]
I wasn't happy.
What do you mean?
Sad.
[music playing]
KEVIN FRAZIER: Were you emotional?
Were you crying?
Yeah, sometimes.
KEVIN FRAZIER: Why?
This is what's so confusing.
What's it about-- let's hold on to that.
You just--
He was mad about--
What is this about?
I was upset that I was having sex
and didn't want to have sex.
That's what I was mad about.
But you kept doing it.
All right.
Initially.
Besides sex-- besides sex, let's just talk
about the marriage in general.
Look. Where were we?
We were about a month in.
And I definitely had feelings for you, like, a month
in when I thought we were--
What?
You didn't-- we were, like, getting better.
No, nothing?
OK.
I still think your eyes are beautiful.
And when you came down in your wedding dress,
you looked beautiful.
I don't believe anything that you say because you're
always changing your words.
And that's just-- it would mess with my mind
for the entire marriage.
And it drove me crazy.
And it wasn't fair.
OK.
And do you think you responded with any--
KATE: No, I think that you need to think
about how you treated me and stop putting it back on me.
I don't think I treated you amazing at all,
but I don't think you treated me amazing at all, either.
How did she treat you?
What did she do to you?
It was just that like after the cameras stopped,
you would just--
[laughter]
Luke, come on.
Look--
I think I deserve an apology.
Can you just do that?
I apologize.
I am so sorry.
I didn't want either one of us to have
such a terrible experience.
And watching it is painful for me to see you that sad.
When you were living with her and you saw her that sad,
was it painful for you?
Yes.
It was absolutely that painful.
Then why didn't you do something?
Why didn't you treat her better?
[music playing]
I guess I thought I was acting in a certain way,
and it was coming off and being perceived
differently than it was.
But what I'm asking you is not that processed answer you had
inside your heads because what's happening right now
is you're sitting back, and you're repeating what you think
will sound really good for TV.
I'm telling you as a person who does TV every single day,
it doesn't look good on TV.
So I'm giving you the opportunity now
to say what was going on then.
I don't even know at this point.
But I want you to think about this because when you sit
there, and you look, and you don't answer,
and you give me that blank stare, that's
how it goes out to America.
But that's fine.
You're winning.
No, you're winning.
I'm not winning.
You are clearly winning.
KEVIN FRAZIER: No, I'm not.
I'm just here asking you questions.
[laughter]
I'm not-- I'm not--
I'm not here to win or lose.
You lost because you got a divorce.
I'm just here to talk to you about your divorce.
That's it.
I'm not winning.
I don't understand that.
This isn't a game, Luke.
Then, why is he telling me I'm not winning?