Intel vs. AMD. (**Comment chicken nuggets for 10 bonus points**)
it's that long heated debate between PC Builders, PC Gamers
and Content Creators. How you decide in such a complex market
as this is really the big question nowadays when Intel's
finally given us kinda sort of an answer right to what
we've been asking for and with response to Ryzen because Ryzen
was an answer to Intel and Intel really had nothing for a long
time to combat that but now that Intel does have something you
have to start weighing out cost and value and it can all seem a
bit overwhelming and that's why this video exists if you're on
the fence about either hopefully we'll be able to clear it up for
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so here we go alder lake good stuff yeah Idon't think the die
hard AMD fanboys can deny the sheer horsepower 12 gen Intel
chips are packing but there are obviously a few problems namely
with the platform constant optimization associated with
the introduction of the new architecture see for those who
aren't aware alderley utilizes a big little architecture
similar in basic form to what you'd find in most cell phones
today where some cpu cores are extremely powerful and others
are extremely efficient in an effort to save battery life
which really doesn't matter in the case of desktops because
they don't have batteries except from maybe the motherboard bios
battery cmos battery whatever and depending on the processes
running at any given time these p and e cores trade off tasks
to maximize power savings for as little performance loss
as possible see Intel's been running a bit toasty lately
they've been known to uh pull a few more watts and maybe what
they say they do on paper and so to combat this to an extent
again that's why the e cores exist so you have a bit of a
weird nomenclature here it's no longer just like physical
cores logical cores or logical processors you actually have
to distinguish between which chords you're talking about
here so p chords have hyper threading e cores do not which
means that chips like the 12-700k and 12-900k have
slightly unorthodox logical processor counts I was a bit
skeptical of this design at first but the higher core count
chips in particular seem to manage just fine I'm actually
streaming on one right now and I've had really nothing but the
occasional like file explorer hiccup or like the whole desktop
will just kinda freeze for a few seconds Ihave to go in
and restart the explorer and the task manager and then
everything's fine again that's literally the only hiccup I've
run into in an entire week of using the 12-900k in here and
I'm on Windows 10 mind you not Windows 11 we'll talk about
that a bit later and then there's the other elephant in
the room games they absolutely love fast course and since most
are sub optimized beyond 12 or so threads it means that even
core i5 alder lake chips are performing incredibly compared
to 11th gen Intel and even zen 3 cpus but here's where the water
becomes a bit a bit brackish despite the fair prices of
alder lake chips and Ithink most of us can agree these prices
are fair with the exception of third-party scalpers their
accompanying motherboards are still relatively expensive
and at that the only available skus pre-2022 are those that
are unlocked which means that we only have z690 chipsets to
accompany those and because of that it means that if you want
to adopt an Intel platform early on you have no choice but to
pay more for the higher chipset higher end board that you might
not really want out of the gate and of course the Intel fanboys
will say oh what's because you can only buy the unlocked skus
out of the gate too well okay and to that Isay it doesn't
really matter what amd board you buy as long as it's not an a
series board any b series board will allow you to overclock
just the same as any x series counterpart so you have a bit
more going for you there in the amd department Idon't really see
any other argument that a team blue fan can have so if you're
dead set on adopting new Intel platform going into 2022 which
again Idon't really think is a bad decision you just have to
weigh the pros and cons relative to when you were deciding to
adopt Ipersonally don't think it hurts to wait a month or two for
new boards and new cpus to hit the shelves this added diversity
will likely affect product availability as well meaning
we shouldn't see as many third party retailers flipping chips
for several hundred dollars over retail particularly we're
talking about the non k skus uh we'll even see some more f
squeeze come out which are the ones that don't have igps all
of this will kind of balance out that market a bit but the
real kicker in the teeth at this point for me is ddr5 and
it's being treated almost like graphics cards at this point
and it's because there's so little of it in supply at the
moment and there is a bit of demand early on uh the early
adoption has its benefits sure but again Ithink that an obvious
consequence is higher prices on account of initial manufacturing
constraints of high entirely new processes basically so while
ddr5 is extremely fast and again the new modules look appealing
that's the whole point they want to make them look flashy so that
you buy them Ibelieve it's in your best interest up front to
avoid ddr5 if possible and opt for ddr4 motherboards supporting
alder lake yes they exist and yes performance is still
fantastic in our own briefings in fact with Intel they've cited
very little difference in terms of performance especially in
everyday tasks between the two memory generations this may
obviously change as faster and more efficient dyes are produced
but if you're looking for a 12th gen platform out of the
gate your best bet in my book is to stick with a board that
supports ddr4 and remember you cannot mix ddr4 and ddr5 on the
same board even if it looks like everything fits snug which in
theory it should because Idon't think the dimensions have really
changed at all the pin out is totally different and that's no
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Ithink the fact that Intel chose to retain support for ddr4 in
its alder lake architecture was an excellent decision
it's likely they foresaw ddr5 shortages out of the gate and
didn't want it hindering a launch they felt could stand on
its own and it certainly does against the competition albeit
at still higher generally power usages and temperatures the
Intel still the hotter choice at least in my case the 1200k runs
hotter than my 5950x which is a higher core count chip mind you
now as for amd uh by this point you might be thinking well this
is old news greg Imean we we want the latest and greatest and
team blue has it Imean why would we look anywhere else and sure
that's fine that tends to be how a lot of people think but is it
the wiser choice from a budget standpoint see Ithink it's easy
to cast aside any notions of value for the sake of obtaining
the objectively best thing out there but you're always going to
pay a bit of a premium for the best thing out there Intel knows
that their chips are the best right now and they're pricing
their products accordingly it requires little in the way of
critical thinking and it makes you feel good for a little
while sure until something better is released as is always
the case with technology to be completely honest if it wasn't
for the fact that much of what Ido here requires extensive
long-term testing i'd still be on Ryzen likely far into 2022
the 5950x was incredible the 5900x is incredible especially
for that price and and look it's still a very versatile
architecture how amd managed to reduce quarter core latencies
by increasing core count per ccx is just it feels as snappy
as the ring bus in everyday use finally and absolutely
slays it video editing thanks to an affinity for higher core
counts Ihonestly can't think of a single issue Ihave with zen
3 to be frank with you apart from the fact that it at least
now is no longer objectively the best all-around workhorse
you know what that's okay it's fine it really is Imean look at
what amd's done in response to alder lake's launch they have
lowered their prices that's that's fantastic the 5900x and
the 5950x have both been marked down by nearly 100 each over
the past week now a part of this has to do with black friday and
cyber monday but don't tell me that that timing is coincidental
entirely because it's not Iexpect similar discounts to
stick around until eol end of life that's the benefit of
external competition we just haven't had much of that until
recently so even if you're still for team red you're die hard you
only see red and that's the end of it you can still thank your
opponents for spicing things up a bit because it does help you
as well in terms of price all we've been asking for is choice
those of us kind of hovering in the middle those of us who
have purchased based on value in the past have been cornered
into red territory for quite a while and look that was fine and
dandy because Ryzen's generally been great but with viable
competition from across the aisle expect more frequent and
aggressive pricing strategies from both camps going forward
it's a win-win so Ithink either choice is a great one going into
2022 honestly it really just depends on what you're currently
sporting and when you plan to buy if you've been sporting for
example a Ryzen 5 2600 for a few years and you want something
a bit juicier consider a 5600 or 5800x chances are you can
still use the same board you're currently running with a bios
update assuming it's like a x470b 450 board a lot of bios
updates out there that will let you run little 87 processors
with them you also won't need to swap ram and you won't need to
deal with early adoption supply constraints where applicable
which means prices are going to be generally competitive and
since alder lake is fresh more or less it's unlikely we'll see
any deals in the immediate and we didn't really see any during
black friday cyber monday I'm not surprised it's a new product
now if you're on something a bit older say a core i5 2400
or an amd fx 8350 you know in that ballpark maybe older
than that your next platform will likely depend on other
factors maybe power drop maybe sheer performance maybe even
availability in your country you can also run a quick calculation
in your head if alder lake maybe is anywhere between five or ten
percent faster on average than zen three which it appears to
be at least in my testing and others Ishouldn't be paying
any more than about five to ten percent more for team blue's
platform kind of makes sense right if you are then i'd be
choosing zen 3 all day and if you aren't maybe it makes
sense to pick alder lake and especially if you're going to
be adopting Windows 11 earlier it seems to be a bit more future
proof with regard to operating systems because those p and e
cores are better optimized in Windows 11 I'm using Windows
10 so I've kind of stunned my growth a bit but Istill feel
that there is a benefit here and in my testing the 1200k
is actually a bit faster than the 5950x in Windows 10 in
video editing so that's saying something created most of that
work is now offloaded to the discrete card discrete graphics
card but anyway Ireally hate using the phrase future proof
because it's just it's just tossed around like it means
nothing anymore but if you intend to stick with Windows
10 for a few more years maybe that's a case for you to stay
with verizon since it doesn't really have Imean it doesn't
really benefit you to upgrade to Windows 11 but if you are
upgrading to Windows 11 and you're considering all their
like Ithink that's a perfect match there are so many things
you could be and probably should be accounting for and
I'm just glad that uh we finally can have these deliberations
again it feels good to talk like this although I've been
talking a bit fast Iapologize I'm really excited to see what
else Intel throws our way in early 2022 around their latest
architecture uh but if it all turns out to be one big letdown
Imean we still have verizon and that's you know it's not
like verizon has even remotely sucked recently with that let
me know how you feel about current state of affairs in the
desktop cpu industry and yeah I'm looking forward to those
conversations in the comments section if alder lake is on your
radar let me know I'm curious if you just have been all about
amd let me know and let me know why thanks for watching
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Greg thanks for learning with me should I just end it there
okay I'm gonna end it there cool