LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NEXT GUEST IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST
NAMES IN HIP-HOP, A CIVIC LEADER, AND AN ACTIVIST.
PLEASE WELCOME KILLER MIKE.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) KILLER MIKE THANKS FOR BEING
HERE.
>> THANK YOU.
MY WIFE PUT ME ON A DIET, I LOST FOUR POUNDS AND NOW I CAN'T KEEP
MY PANTS UP.
>> Stephen: THANK YOU FOR WEARING YOUR FORMAL SWEATS FOR
US TONIGHT.
>> ACTUALLY, THESE ARE FORMAL.
THIS IS MY P.T.A. MEETING OUTFIT.
>> Stephen: OH, REALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO TALK?
>> EXACTLY, WHEN I HAVE TO GO TALK AROUND OTHER PARENTS AND
YOU DON'T WANT TO DRESS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A RAPPER.
YOU PUT ON A SWEAT SUIT THAT HAS A CARDIGAN SWEATER.
>> Stephen: WHEN YOU GO MEET YOUR KIDS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL,
DO THE TEACHERS GO, "NOW, KILLER MIKE, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU."
>> THEY SAY THAT AFTER WE DISCUSS WHY MY CHILD IS
FIGHTING.
( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: COULD IT HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR NAME, KILLER MIKE?
>> IT'S THE GIRLS THAT ARE FIGHTING.
THE BOYS ARE PRETTY GOOD.
>> Stephen: GIRLS CAN FIGHT.
IT'S A WHOLE NEW WORLD.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: WHY KILLER MIKE?
>> I DIDN'T NAME MYSELF.
I WANT TO SAY IT WASN'T LIKE SOME KID WAS STANDING IN THE
MIRROR AND DECIDE HE LOOK LIKE AID KILLER.
I WOULD HAVE LIKE BIKE BOUGATI MIKE, OR FERRARI MIKE.
I RAPID AS A KID AND RAPPED REALLY WELL AND SEVEN OR EIGHT
OTHER GUYS AND STOOD ON A DESK AND SAID, "THAT KID'S A KILLER."
AND AFTER THAT NOBODY EVER CALLED ME SKUNK AGAIN IN MY
LIFE, JUST KILLER.
>> Stephen: KILLER, THAT'S AWESOME.
YOUR ORIGINAL NAME IS MICHAEL RENDER.
>> MICHAEL RENDER IS MY NAME.
>> Stephen: THAT'S A GOOD NAME, TOO, MIKE RENDER.
LIKE YOU'RE TEARING THE MIKE APART.
>> AND MY DAUGHTER'S NAME IS MICHAEL RENDER.
>> Stephen: YOUR DAUGHTER'S NAME IS MICHAEL?
THAT'S A PRETTY NAME FOR A GIRL.
>> I THINK SO.
SHE'S GOT TO STOP FIGHTING.
>> Stephen: WE ALL HAVE TO STOP FIGHTING.
WE ALL HAVE TO STOP FIGHTING.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: AS I SAID YOU'RE A CIVIC LEADER.
YOU'RE SOCIALLY ACTIVE.
>> I AM.
>> Stephen: HIP-HOP ARTIST.
>> I OWN BARBER SHOPS.
>> Stephen: YOU DO OWN BARBER SHOPS.
>> I'M PART OF A VERY GOOD RAP GROUP CALLED RUN THE JEWELS.
WE'RE WORKING ON PART THREE RIGHT NOW.
>> Stephen: IT WAS JUST ANNOUNCED YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO
BE INCLUDED IN COACHELLA THIS YEAR, RIGHT?
>> BACK TO BACK.
>> Stephen: THAT'S FANTASTIC.
>> WE ARE BACK.
>> Stephen: THIS YEAR, IF I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL WHITE PEOPLE,
( LAUGHTER ) --
>> I PREFER YOU SPEAKING FOR ALL WHITE PEOPLE.
>> Stephen: ANOTHER YOU SPEAK FOR ALL BLACK PEOPLE, OKAY?
>> TODAY I DO.
>> Stephen: OKAY.
THIS YEAR, TRAGICALLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE WHITE COMMUNITY
HAVE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE LIFE OF AFRICAN AMERICANS IN FERGUSON,
BALTIMORE, NORTH CHARLESTON, OTHER PLACES AROUND THE UNITED
STATES.
DO YOU THINK THE AWARENESS THAT HAS RISEN THROUGH THESE GARAGE
TRAJ DEES HAS CHANGED ANYTHING, AT LEAST THROUGH DIALOGUE.
>> WHITE PEOPLE WATCHING, GOOGLE JANE ELLIOT, SHE HAS AN
EXPERIMENT, THE BLUE AND BROWNIDE EXPERIMENT.
I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WATCH THAT, IT WILL ACTUALLY GROW YOU.
YOU NO, BACK TO STUFF THAT WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH.
IF WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOW JUST DISCOVERING THAT IT'S BAD FOR
BLACK OR WORKING CLASS PEOPLE IN AMERICA, THEY'RE A LOT MORE
BLIND THAN I THOUGHT AND THEY'RE A LOT MORE CHOOSING TO BE
IGNORANT THAN I THOUGHT.
THE SAME PROBLEMS WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY WE DISCUSSED IN
1990, 1980, 1970, AND 1960.
AND UNTIL WE CALL A SPADE A SPADE AND THIS PROBLEM IS COMING
FROM CONDITIONS WE'RE CREATING OR ALLOWING TO HAPPEN AS A WHITE
GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HOLD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POWER --
>> DO YOU THINK THERE'S A SYSTEMIC ATTEMPT IN THE UNITED
STATES TO ISOLATE POOR AND MINORITIES, TO PUT THEM IN
COMMUNITIES THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED?
>> IT'S NOT AN ATTEMPT AT ALL.
IT'S SUCCESSFUL.
IF YOU LOOK AT DALY AND THE HIGHWAYS IN, WHICH HE BUILT THE
HIGHWAYS TO SEG GAILT PEOPLE.
THERE'S NO ROUND-ABOUT WAY TO DO IT.
ABSOLUTELY.
>> Stephen: AGAIN, SPEAKING FOR ALL WHITE PEOPLE WHAT, CAN
WE-- WHAT CAN WE DO TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES
OF COLOR?
SHOULD YOU-- YOU OWN BARBER SHOPS.
SHOULD WHITE PEOPLE START GETTING THEIR HAIR CUT AT BLACK
BARBER SHOPS?
>> I HOPE SO.
>> Stephen: BECAUSE THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS GOING ON AT THOSE
BARBER SHOPS THAT WE'RE NOT PART OF.
>> AND WHITE PEOPLE PAY $50 FOR HAIR CUTS, SO, ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD LIKE THAT.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) I SPEAK AT COLLEGES OFTEN, AND
WHEN I SPEAK AT BLACK COLLEGES, AND I SPEAK AT WHITE COLLEGES, A
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT MESSAGE.
THE MESSAGE THEY PREACH TO WHITE KIDS THAT ARE IN TALLAHASSEE,
ATLANTA, GEORGIA TECH, PLACES LIKE NEW YORK, IS GET OUTSIDE
THE COLLEGE ENVIRONMENT, FIND A CHILD WHO IS MARGINAL OR DOING
EXCEPTIONAL IN SCHOOL WHO IS A MINORITY, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU,
NOT OF THE SAME RELIGION, NOT OF THE SAME BACKGROUND, HELP THAT
CHILD MATRICULATE INTO COLLEGE.
HELP THEM BY BEING A BIG BROTHER, BIG SMENTORING THEM.
DON'T GIVE THEM GIFTS AND MAKE YOURSELF FEEL GOOD, HEY I BOUGHT
TEACHERS.
WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF THAT EXPERIENCE IS ANOTHER HUMAN
BEING TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF AN EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM THAT CAN
HELP THEM IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
BUT IT GROWS YOU AS A HUMAN BEING TO HAVE EMPATHY FOR
SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T LOOK LIKE YOU AND IS CULTURALLY NOT FROM YOUR
BACKGROUND.
>> Stephen: SPEAKING OF CUMENT RALLY, SPEAKING OF CULTURALLY--
WE'VE ONLY GOT A MINUTE HERE.
SPEAKING OF PEOPLE NOT CULTURALLY FROM YOUR BACKGROUND,
YOU'RE FEELING THE BERN.
YOU LIKE BERNIE SANDERS.
>> I DO.
>> Stephen: OKAY, AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN, TELL ME WHY YOU
BELIEVE BERNIE IS THE MAN.
>> DR. KING IN HILLS LAST TWO YEARS OF LIFE TALKED ABOUT A
POOR PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN, ORGANIZING UNIONS ON BEHALF OF
POOR WORKERS, ORGANIZING AGAINST THE WAR MACHINE THAT WAS
PERPETUATING VIOLENCE IN VIETNAM.
BERPY SANDERS IS THE ONLY POLITICIAN WHO HAS CONSISTENTLY
FOR 50 YEARS TAKEN THE SOCIAL JUSTICE PLATFORM INTO POLITICS.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ELECT SOMEONE WHO
IS DIRECTLY OUT OF THE PHILOSOPHY OF KINGIAN
NONVIOLENCE.
WE CAN DIRECTLY ELECT SOMEONE WHO CARES ABOUT POOR PEOPLE,
CARES ABOUT WOMEN, GAY, BLACK RIGHTS.
CARES ABOUT LIVES THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE HIS HELP AND THIS
OPPORTUNITY IN HISTORY IS NOT GOING TO COME IN ANOTHER 20
YEARS, NOT GOING TO COME IN ANOTHER TWO YEARS.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) IF WE DO NOT TAKE THIS
OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE SITTING AROUND A
CAMPFIRE MAD BECAUSE THEY'VE NIEWKD THE WORLD TO HELL, I'M
AFRAID, YOU KNOW.
>> Stephen: I HOPE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND I HOPE YOU
COME BACK.
KILLER MIKE.
STAY RIGHT THERE.
KILLER MIKE, EVERYBODY.
RUN THE JEWELS.
AMONG OTHER THINGS.
BARBER SHOPS.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.