[Gong]
[Questioner:] A few years later I found you on YouTube,
and you were speaking from that
and I was so happy
that finally someone was speaking from my heart.
And I said, 'Wow, this was actually very good',
what was happening
and that behind the fear
would be the freedom.
And
since that time I can remain
in the sense of 'I am',
which is
beautiful,
and there is a a lot of peace
and bliss.
But still when I try to inquire deeper,
and I ask myself 'Who is the one
who is even aware of the "I am"?'
Then the fear comes up again.
[Mooji:] But you have to, everybody,
every sentient being,
whether human being, or animal, insect,
will experience fear.
It will come. Fear will come.
But,
the point with the human being,
you alone can really
contemplate, and to look,
investigate,
the nature of the Self.
And go beyond the menace of fear.
Because fear will come.
The fear is coming for the,
the sense of our self
as a limitation.
The fear will come for
the personality,
the sense of person.
The fear is not coming for the Self.
Therefore, one must find the Self.
What it means, the Self;
must come into that.
Otherwise, you're going to be always
in the reach of fear.
It's going to be there.
And the fear is helpful because without the fear,
you're quite happy to stay
in the personality.
So fear is good.
That if you stay here,
your life is not going to be so tasty like you think.
I'm going to mess you up.
So fear helps us sometimes
to go beyond the fear
back to your real place.
Find out who is afraid
and what of?
Usually, you will be afraid
because you have an investment in something.
You don't want to lose something.
And then the thing says, 'I'm going to take it from you.'
Then fear will come.
This thing can be
something external that apparently,
like a relationship,
or something like this, or some money or fame,
or something.
Or it can be the sense of your life,
you see, like this.
But something is there
that you feel, 'No, at any cost,
you can take anything but this.
Please, don't touch this.'
Then where is the fear going to come?
Right to this place it's going to come.
Then you go to this place,
this place, which is being protected now.
Okay.
This place is being protected now.
You're saying, 'Please, touch anything else,
but don't touch this, please.'
Is fear going to listen to you?
Because you put all your investment,
all your energy now,
is resting in that insecure place;
that which can be taken.
There is something, which cannot be touched
by anything, by any being, it cannot be touched.
[Q:] So now I cannot find the trust.
[M:] You cannot find the trust? [Q:] Yes.
[M:] It is there even before trust.
It is there even before trust.
Why you need trust?
Because of some separation,
you feel you are the person.
The person needs trust.
The egoic mind needs trust.
The consciousness that is identified with person
needs trust.
The Self doesn't need trust.
Where is the Self?
You need trust if you have to get to the Self.
That means the Self is some distance from you.
What is that distance?
These are all ideas that have exceeded themselves.
The ideas have become more,
because they have been somehow imbued,
supported by;
so much belief has gone into them.
So they seem concrete. They seem real.
But they are nothing, even.
Yes, trust has its place.
I cannot speak against trust.
Trust is one of the greatest powers
we have.
But, is it needed to be the Self?
This, I don't know how many people here
is going to comprehend it.
Trust you must have towards God;
towards life,
but towards God.
You need the trust; it is important.
Because trust helps you
to move beyond a limitation.
You say, 'I trust this.'
But I am asking another question.
Who is the one who trusts?
Can it be identified, you see?
It's not an easy question for us,
because we are not used to this kind of question.
Because first of all,
the answer seems obvious.
It's me.
But, who is 'me'?
What exactly do you mean by 'me'?
Some people they will not even
want to hear this question.
Your 'me' is so much taken for granted,
that you will not even challenge yourself.
Everyone says 'I',
but the 'I' wears different uniforms.
'I' can be 'I am this body.'
And you can live in the notion,
'I am this body'.
Or, 'I' means being, or consciousness,
or witness, or presence, same thing.
And we can be aware of that sense of presence.
It's a higher state of consciousness
than 'I am the body',
because here, more, you observe,
and contemplate,
and without moving.
Without moving from where you are,
you can invite the universe
into your own being.
Your being becomes universal.
This is the greatness of consciousness.
But there are some beings
who have gone beyond consciousness.
Now you may ask,
how to go beyond consciousness?
They realize That,
in which even consciousness is seen.
Don't imagine this is beyond you.
Just you are not familiar with this way of looking.
But even consciousness which contains
the feeling of 'I am',
and person, and world, and relationship;
all of that is in the bubble of the 'I am'.
There is awareness of 'I am'.
Don't try and force or imagine,
because gradually
this realization will come to you,
more and more.
Even just sitting in Satsang, it come.
Spontaneously you might come, and see;
but even this feeling 'I am', this feeling of presence,
it's known, also.
But don't speak about it.
Just be quiet with yourself and see.
The fear comes, many people,
it's not uncommon.
Maybe one day you are walking down the road
towards the village,
or towards the Ramana Ashram,
someplace, anywhere,
and suddenly, suddenly,
you may feel that the body,
the personality somehow vanish.
But something is here.
And that something
is more you than you can ever be;
than you can ever be as personality.
We are afraid when you are with the personality
that if the personality goes, Haaaa!
You'll be blank.
You will just be, you know, just walking about
like you are in a daze, or something.
But when the experience is there you'll see,
but wait a minute, I am more alive actually.
And what is personality even?
It doesn't seem to like anything really happened.
It's just I see that I am not all these things
that I've been carrying around in my head.
That's all.
But you're still the full, even now,
even with the ego feeling,
mostly it's the feeling of presence you are experiencing;
not the personality.
It's just like putting some yellow glasses
in front of it, then everything looks yellow.
So we don't need to be afraid.
The reason why I say that is to just trigger you to
spontaneously open your heart to take all of it in.
Don't make any contract. Don't compromise.
Say, 'I am going completely for gold!'
Go completely.
Don't think, 'Let me see, maybe see...'
No, don't be stingy with your consciousness.
Move, openly.
The confidence is there, also will rise in you.
Don't be afraid.
[Music]
Don't be stingy
with your consciousness;
go for gold
completely.
Video extract from the Satsang DVD
'At the Plug hole of Existence'
18th January 2012 Tiruvannamalai, India
www.mooji.org