ROCK. THAT MEAN FOR HOLLYWOOD.
♪
FIRST LET'S GET TO THE LATEST
ON THE WAR IN UKRAINE. NOW,
THIS MOMENT MIGHT HAVE ALSO
FELT LIKE A GAFFE, LIKE AN
UNEXPECTED CIRCUMSTANCE WITH
PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYS HE STANDS
BY WHAT HE SAID ON SATURDAY.
THE PRESIDENT SAID THAT
RUSSIA'S PRESIDENT VLADIMIR
PUTIN CANNOT STAY IN POWER AND
THAT. KIND OF SOUNDED LIKE HE
WAS CALLING FOR REGIME CHANGE.
>> WE'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT
FUTURE. A BRIGHTER FUTURE RUDE
AND DEMOCRACY IN HOPE AND
LIGHT.
>> THE DECENCY AND DIGNITY AND
FREEDOM POSSIBILITIES. FOR
GOD'S SAKE. THIS MAN COULD NOT
REMAIN.
>> NOW SOON. THE
ADMINISTRATION TRIED TO WALK
THAT LAST SENTENCE BACK
MOMENTS AFTER THE SPEECH, THE
WHITE HOUSE INSISTED THAT THE
PRESIDENT WAS NOT CALLING FOR
REGIME CHANGE. YESTERDAY.
DEMOCRATS AND U.S. OFFICIALS
REITERATED THAT.
>> WE DO NOT HAVE A STRATEGY
OF REGIME CHANGE IN RUSSIA OR
ANYWHERE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER.
>> LET ME BE CLEAR AND JUST
STAY RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT
THE U.S. DOES NOT HAVE A
POLICY OF REGIME CHANGE
TOWARDS RUSSIA. I THINK THE
WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN CLEAR.
THEY HAVE BEEN DISCIPLINED AND
THEY SAID WE NEED A NEGOTIATED
END TO THIS WAR THAT HAS TO BE
WITH AS A SETTLEMENT. IT'S NOT
THE POLICY REGIME.
>> TODAY THE PRESIDENT ALSO
REITERATED THAT HE WAS NOT
CALLING FOR PUTINS REMOVAL. HE
CLAIMS THAT WAS NOT POLICY.
JUST HIS PERSPECTIVE.
>> I'M NOT WALKING ANYTHING
BACK.
>> THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
AS EXPRESSING MORE OUTRAGE. I
FELT TOWARD THE WAY PUTIN IS
THE LEAD IN THE ACTIONS OF
THIS MAN WHICH JUST JUST.
TALENT. HALF THE CHILDREN IN
UKRAINE. I JUST COME FROM WITH
THOSE FAMILIES. AND SO ON. BUT
I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR I
WASN'T DAN NORMAN NOW,
PARTICULARLY THE POLICY
CHANGE.
>> AS FOR THE WAR, RUSSIA'S
INVASION APPEARS TO BE
STRUGGLING UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS
SAY THAT RUSSIA WANTS TO SPLIT
THE COUNTRY INTO KIND OF LIKE
NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA.
MEANWHILE, THE FIRST
FACE-TO-FACE PEACE TALKS IN
WEEKS ARE SET TO TAKE PLACE
TOMORROW IN TURKEY. AND THE
IDEA IS TO ARRANGE A
CEASE-FIRE. BUT PRESIDENT
ZELENSKY SAYS HE HAS NO
INTEREST IN TRADING. PEOPLE
LAND OR SOVEREIGNTY TO GET
THIS DONE. LET'S BEGIN TONIGHT
WITH NBC'S ALI AROUZI WHO
JOINS US FROM THE WESTERN
UKRAINIAN CITY OF LVIV. ALI,
WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF
PRESIDENT BIDEN'S STATEMENTS
IN UKRAINE WHERE YOU ARE AND
ACROSS THE BORDER IN POLL
REACTION OF THOSE GOING.
>> HI, GOOD EVENING, JOE. SO
WELL. I MEAN, IT WAS A VERY
STRONG IT WAS A
CONFRONTATIONAL SPEECH, BUT IT
WAS ALSO MEASURED UNTIL WE
ALMOST GOT TO THE GOOD-BYES
AND THANK YOU'S WHERE AT THAT
TIME HE SEEMED TO BE CALLING
FOR REGIME CHANGE AND CUE THE
FIREWORKS. THERE WAS OUTRAGE
AND I'M PEOPLE IN THE UNITED
STATES ALSO CRITICIZE THEM
SAYING THAT HE HAD MADE A
DANGEROUS SITUATION EVEN MORE
DANGEROUS YOU'VE MADE
UNPREDICTABLE SITUATION EVEN
MORE UNPREDICTABLE AND IT'S
NOT HARD TO SEE WHY NOT THE
PRESIDENT'S OR WENT OFF SCRIPT
AND SAID THOSE THINGS. HE
BEING IN POLAND. HE'D SEEN
WHAT THESE UKRAINIAN REFUGEES
HAVE BEEN SUFFERING IN UKRAINE
AND FLEEING THE WAR-TORN EAST
AND THOSE HORROR STORIES THAT
WE'VE SEEN OUT OF MARIUPOL AND
CERTAINLY OTHER PLACES. BUT OF
COURSE, WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES SPEAKS. IT
HAS SERIOUS IMPLICATIONS,
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S NOT US
POLICY. AND THAT'S WHY WE SAW
LIKE IN YOUR INTRODUCTION THAT
THEY WERE TRYING TO RE CLARIFY
WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID THAT
HE WASN'T CALLING FOR REGIME
CHANGE AND THAT HE WAS JUST
SAYING THAT GRUDEN CALM, ARE
NOT SORT OF POWER IN THE
REGION ON AMONGST HIS
NEIGHBORS. BUT I'VE GOT TO
TELL YOU, THE SPEECH WENT DOWN
PRETTY WELL HERE WITH
UKRAINIANS. THAT'S THE SORT OF
THING. BUT THEY DO LIKE TO
HEAR THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE
OBVIOUSLY VLADIMIR REMOVED
FROM POWER BECAUSE THAT
COUNTRY HAS BEEN UNDER IMMENSE
PRESSURE. CITIES HAVE BEEN
DESTROYED. THE ECONOMY IS IN
HERE. SO THAT'S THE SORT OF
STUFF THEY LIKE TO HEAR. AND
IN FACT, YOU SPEAK TO YOUR ARE
THEY WANTED MORE FROM THE
PRESIDENT. THEY WANTED TO HEAR
STUFF LIKE, YOU KNOW, CLOSE
THE SKIES. GIVE US.
>> 300 DEFENSE SYSTEM SELOUS
TIMES. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
GIVE IT TO US. BUT OF COURSE,
IN MOSCOW AS WELL, DREW A
REBUKE FROM THE KREMLIN
SPOKESMAN A COFFIN HE SAID
THAT THIS WAS A DIRECT INSULT
TO LATIN SHOWS THAT THE UNITED
STATES IS TRYING TO MEDAL AND
RUSSIAN AFFAIRS AND THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T
BE ALSO FEEDS INTO THE
NARRATIVE OF RUSSIAN STATE
MEDIA THAT THE U.S. HAS SIGHTS
ON RUSSIA THAT THEY WANT TO
CHANGE THE LEADERSHIP THAT
OBVIOUSLY THE U.S. IS SAYING
THAT'S NOT TRUE. BUT THAT IS A
COMMON FATHER THE RUSSIANS.
THEY WILL USE THAT AGAINST
AMERICANS SAYING, LOOK, YOU
KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR SIGHTS
ON US. AND THIS IS EVIDENCE
FOR YOU. SO THAT WILL PROBABLY
GET PLAYED OUT A LOT AND
>> FOR US TO LET YOU PEOPLE
STILL FEEL SAFE IN LVIV. WE
KNOW THAT PEOPLE WERE FLEEING
KIEV TO GET WEST POSSIBLY ON
THEIR WAY TO POLAND. THERE
HAVE BEEN ASSESSMENTS FROM
OTHER NATIONS THAT THE RUSSIAN
INVASION SEEMS TO HAVE SLOWED
DOWN OR HIT SOME SOME BUMPS
ALONG THE ROAD. BUT THE PEOPLE
IN LVIV STILL FEEL SAFE.
GENERALLY SPEAKING.
>> WELL, LIVE EVENTS ALWAYS
SAFES. AND SINCE THE BEGINNING
OF THIS WAR FOR THOSE WAVES
AND WAVES OF DISPLACED PEOPLE.
ALL THE PEOPLE YOU SPEAK TO
HERE FEEL LUCKY THAT THEY'RE
HERE. YOU KNOW, THEIR HOMES
MAY BE DESTROYED IN THE EAST
THAT FAMILIES HAVE BEEN
SEPARATED. THEY HAVE TO SEND
THEIR CHILDREN ABROAD. BUT
CERTAINLY THAT ATTACK OVER THE
WEEKEND WITH LONG-RANGE
PRECISION MISSILES FROM THE
CEO, NOT FEEL THAT SHOOK THIS
PLACE. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT
PIECE HERE IS SHATTERED, THE
SENSE OF SECURITY HAS
PUNCTURED. WE SPOKE TO ONE
YOUNG SHE HAD COME BACK FROM
POLAND 2 DAYS BEFORE THOSE
MISSILE STRIKES THINKING LVIV
WAS NOW A SAFER PLACE AGAIN.
ONCE THOSE MISSILE STRIKE, THE
STRIKES TOOK PLACE. SHE SAID
SHE'S GOING BACK TO POLAND
TOMORROW IS JUST TOO MUCH OF A
RISK FOR TO SAY HERE. AND SHE
SAID THAT BECAUSE SHE SAID
THAT JUST A COUPLE OF
ANYTHING. HE CHILDREN'S
HOSPITALS CHURCHES APARTMENT
BUILDINGS. SO LVIV MIGHT BE
HIT AS WELL. BUT, YOU KNOW,
ALSO TO YOUR POINT, FIGHTING
HARD TO UKRAINIANS ON THE
EASTERN FRONT TO KEEP THIS
PLACE SAFE, TO KEEP THEIR
SUPPLY LINES FLOWING TO THE
EAST OF THE COUNTRY. YOU SPEAK
TO UKRAINE IS HERE. THEY SAY
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SCRIPT THIS
COUNTRY. WE ARE WELL, THEY'RE
UNIFIED PEOPLE. I'M NOT IT'S
NOT SOMETHING THAT I PUT IS
GOING TO BE ACHIEVING YOU SEE
IS SORT OF A TO INVADE THIS
COUNTRY IS NOT GOING TO PLAN
AND HE'S BEING PUSHED OUT OF
MANY AREAS THAT THEY'VE
ALREADY TAKEN AT THE BEGINNING
OF THE WAR TO DIVIDE THIS
COUNTRY. YOU WOULD HAVE TO
CONQUER IT AND THEN CONSOLE
THAT HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO
CONQUER THE EAST. HE HAS
MOMENT CONTROL OF ANY OF THE
MAJOR CITIES. UKRAINE HOLDS ON
TO MUCH OF ITS AND YOU SEE THE
PLACES THE RUSSIANS ARE IN
CONTROL OF OR POSSIBLY IN
CONTROL OF THIS DEMONSTRATIONS
THAT FROM TEENAGERS. ALL THE
WAY TO SERVE GRANDPARENTS. SO
IT'S GOING TO VERY HARD TO
SPLIT THIS COUNTRY GIVEN THE
RESULT OF THE UKRAINIAN
PEOPLE.
>> THANK YOU, ALI. PLEASE DO
STAY SAFE. AS BEST YOU CAN.
THAT'S NBC'S ALI AROUZI IN
LVIV STARTING US OFF TONIGHT.
LET'S CONTINUE NOW WAS JOHN
HERBST, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR
TO UKRAINE. HE'S THE SENIOR
DIRECTOR OF THE ATLANTIC
COUNCIL'S EURASIA CENTER
INVESTOR HERBST. WELCOME BACK.
GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> MY PLEASURE. WE START WITH
WHAT PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY SAID
IN TERMS OF A POSSIBLE WAY TO
WIND THIS WORE DOWN THIS
NEUTRAL STATUS THAT HE SAYS
HE'S GOING TO ENTERTAIN THAT
SOUNDS KIND OF LIKE. GIVE
CONCEDING OR ACCEDING TO ONE
OF VLADIMIR PUTIN'S DEMANDS,
WHICH IS THAT UKRAINE NOT
BECOME PART OF ANY OF THE
EUROPEAN ALLIANCE IS THAT
PRESIDENT PUTIN IS SO
CONCERNED ABOUT DMITRI PESKOV
WHO'S A KREMLIN SPOKESMAN GAVE
AN INTERVIEW TO THE PBS NEWS
HOUR TODAY AND JUST LOOKING AT
A ROUGH TRANSCRIPT. HE SAID
THAT THE NATO MACHINE IS IN
HIS WORDS, NOT A MACHINE OF
SECURITY. IT'S A MACHINE OF
CONFRONTATION. SO DOES
PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY'S OFFER
TAKE THE PROSPECT OF THAT
CONFRONTATION OFF THE TABLE.
>> IT CERTAINLY DOES. BUT IT'S
WELL SHY OF THE MAXIMALIST
DEMANDS THAT STILL REMAIN THE
RUSSIAN POSITION. THE ONLY
RUSSIAN DECISION MAKERS PUTIN
AND PUTIN HAS ADJUSTED 0
FLEXIBILITY SO FAR IS A WATCH
JUST YOU TRY HE WANTS UKRAINE
TO BE DEMILITARIZED AND HE
WOULD NOT ACCEPT THE NOTION OF
GUARANTEES FROM OTHER STATES
FOR UKRAINE SECURITY BECAUSE
PUT WANT TO CONTROL THE
COUNTRY.
>> I'D LIKE YOUR TAKE ON WHAT
THE PRESIDENT SAID. THESE
COMMENTS THAT HAD TO KIND OF
BE MASSAGED AFTER HE MADE
THEM. NBC'S WHITE HOUSE
CORRESPONDENT KELLY O'DONNELL
ASKED HIM ABOUT THOSE. AND
HERE IS HOW HE RESPONDED.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU
SAID THAT PUTIN CAN'T REMAIN
IN POWER OR DO YOU NOW REGRET
SAYING THAT.
>> I WAS EXPRESSING MORE
OUTRAGE TONIGHT. PHIL, I MAKE
NO APOLOGIES COMPLICATE.
>> THE DIPLOMACY OF THIS
MOMENT.
>> NO, I DON'T THINK IT DOES.
AMBASSADOR, WHAT DO YOU MAKE
OF THE COMMENTS AND THE IMPACT
THAT WILL HAVE.
>> OKAY. IT WAS CERTAINLY A
MISTAKE AND THAT'S WHY THE
WHITE HOUSE WALKED BACK EVEN
TO PRISON JUST WANT NOT WANT
TO ADMIT IT. BUT IT SHOWS A
CERTAIN STUDYING. THIS IS
POLICY. HE'S LAID OUT A SOUND
FRAMEWORK FOR DEALING WITH
CRIMINAL RUSSIAN MEETING
ARMING UKRAINE, SANCTIONING
RUSSIA AND STRENGTHEN NATO
ALONG RUSSIA'S BORDERS. BUT
HE'S DONE THAT VERY, VERY
SLOWLY. CAUTIOUSLY INTIMATELY.
HE HAS NOT PROVIDED NEARLY
ENOUGH ARMS TO UKRAINE BECAUSE
HE SAYS THE RUSSIANS MAY SEE
THAT AS ESCALATORY, WHICH IS
FRANKLY A SIGN OF WEAKNESS.
WHAT HE SAID YESTERDAY WAS IN
FACT, FAR MORE PROVOCATIVE TO
THE RUSSIANS THAT ANY WEAPON
SYSTEM. HE'S DENIED TO THE
UKRAINIANS. SO HE'S GOT IT
BACKWARDS. IT SHOULD BE QUIET
ABOUT WHAT HE THINKS OF PUTIN.
THE ACTIVISTS SENDING ARMS TO
UKRAINE TO HELP UKRAINE DEFEAT
THE RUSSIANS ON THE
BATTLEFIELD.
>> LET'S GET A FEW OF OUR
AUDIENCE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHERE THINGS STAND. JOSEPH
EMAILED US ABOUT THE FUTURE OF
UKRAINE. JOSEPH WRITES, IF
UKRAINE PREVAILS AND RUSSIA
STILL TAKES HALF WHO'S TO SAY
PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE IN A
LATER TIME AFTER THE WEST
HELPS REBUILD UKRAINE. JOSEPH,
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION
AND INVESTOR. I THINK THAT
KIND OF GETS. SO THE CONCERN
WE'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF
WESTERN EUROPEAN LEADERS FROM
SOME OF THE BALTIC STATES SAY
THAT ALTHOUGH JUST TAKE THIS
PIECE. BUT HE'S NEVER GOING TO
STOP WITH JUST A PIECE.
>> WELL, I THINK JOSEPHS
RIGHT, OR ABLE TO TAKE HALF OF
UKRAINE. HE WAS CERTAINLY COME
BACK FOR MORE AND IF HE COMES
BACK FOR MORE OF UKRAINE WOULD
ALSO COME BACK FOR MORE IN THE
FORM OF OUR NATO ALLIES,
ESPECIALLY IN THE BALTICS, BUT
ALSO PERHAPS SCHOOL ABOUT
WHICH THEY'VE BEEN FULMINATING
FOR THE LAST MONTH. BUT I
DON'T THINK PUTIN CAN GRAB OF
UKRAINE. HE'S HAVING TROUBLE
TATE HOLDING ON TO THE WHAT
WOULD LOOK AT THE MAPS. MAYBE
A QUARTER OF UKRAINE. A LITTLE
BIT LESS THAN A QUARTER OF
UKRAINE BECAUSE EVEN HAVE THAT
FOR LEE. SO UKRAINE'S OF
FIGHTING THE FIGHTING HARD TO
FIGHTING FOR THEIR FREEDOM.
THE FIGHTING FOR THE
SOVEREIGNTY. THE FUNDING FOR
THAT. HER DOOR AND THEY'RE
FIGHTING SMARTLY. WHERE IS
RUSSIAN TROOPS HAVE NO
INTEREST IN THIS FIGHT. THIS
IS PUTIN'S WAR IMPROVES WORLD
AGAINST THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.
HE CANNOT WIN THIS WAR OR EVEN
TAKE OR A QUARTER OF THE
COUNTRY WITHOUT FACING MAJOR,
MAJOR PROBLEMS.
>> WE KEEP GETTING QUESTIONS
ABOUT NATO UNDERSTANDABLY,
INCLUDING WHAT NATO'S OPTIONS
MAY BE IN THE SHOULD IN THE
CIRCUMSTANCE. HERE IS WHAT
DEBORAH AND THEN LEFT IN OUR
INBOX. LISTEN.
>> I UNDERSTAND. THAT NATO CAN
ONLY DO SO MUCH SINCE THE
UKRAINE IS NOT A PART OF NATO.
BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING
THAT THEY WANT TO JOIN NATO.
WHY NOT LET THEM JOHN 9.
>> I MEAN, LIKE COULD PASS
HUMANITARIAN MISSION. I DON'T
THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN MAY
WALL THAT THEY ADOPT
RESOLUTIONS PROACTIVELY. THE
ON MAY 2 CAREFULLY.
>> THEN DENVER. WE APPRECIATE
YOU SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS WITH
US. AMBASSADOR, WHAT WOULD YOU
SAY THAT? LOOK. I AGREE WITH
BOTH BEN AND OVER GO INTO
EFFECT.
>> NATO COULD ADMIT UKRAINE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN
THE NEAR FUTURE BECAUSE A GOOD
NUMBER OF NATO ALLIES DO NOT
WANT TO HAVE. BUT WE COULD
NATO COULD OPEN A HUMANITARIAN
MISSION TO UKRAINE. WE'VE DONE
THIS. WE DID THIS IN GEORGIA
WHERE MOSCOW HAS, WHICH
AMERICAN HUMANITARIAN MISSION
TO GEORGIA. BUT AMERICAN
MILITARY AIRCRAFT, AMERICAN
NAVY SHIPS TO DELIVER
HUMANITARIAN AID. BUT THE
BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS TAKING
IT OFF THE TABLE IN FEAR THAT
RUSSIA WOULD CONSIDER
ESCALATORY. THAT'S KIND OF
TIMIDITY. THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY
VERY GOOD TO DEFEND AMERICAN
INTERESTS OR TO PROTECT
UKRAINIAN CIVILIANS DYING BY
THE THOUSANDS. THE POLL
SUGGESTED ESTABLISHING
HUMANITARIAN ZONE IN WESTON,
WESTERN UKRAINE. BUT THAT WIND
OR TO SOME OF THE WHITE HOUSE
WAS NOT INTERESTED AND MANY
NATO ALLIES WERE NOT
INTERESTED.
>> AMBASSADOR JOHN HERBST,
SENIOR DIRECTOR OF THE
ATLANTIC COUNCIL'S EURASIA
CENTER AND FORMER U.S.
AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE. WE'RE
ALWAYS GLAD TO HAVE YOU HELP
ANSWER SOME OF THESE
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN SENDING
WONDERFUL QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN UKRAINE.
PLEASE KEEP THEM COMING. WE
WANT TO HEAR MORE OF YOUR
QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS. SHERRY
ASKED A GREAT QUESTION ABOUT
BOOTS ON THE GROUND. MAYBE
WE'LL GET TO THAT ANOTHER
NIGHT BUT SEND YOUR QUESTIONS
IN AS WELL. WE'RE AT NOW IT'S
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STILL TO COME, IS VLADIMIR
PUTIN A WAR CRIMINAL.
>> WILL HE AND HIS GENERALS BE
PUNISHED FOR WAR CRIMES. WE'LL
EXPLAIN WHAT A WAR CRIME
ACTUALLY IS AND WHAT IT WOULD
TAKE TO PRESS CHARGES. WE'RE
GLAD YOU'RE WITH US FOR NOW TONIGHT FROM NBC NEWS.
TONIGHT FROM NBC NEWS.
NEWS NOW.
♪
>> DID FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP
BREAK THE LAW IN THE RUN-UP TO
JANUARY 6TH A FEDERAL JUDGE IN
CALIFORNIA WEIGHED IN ON THAT
TODAY. THE CASE INVOLVED ONE
OF DONALD TRUMP'S ATTORNEYS,
JOHN EASTMAN, THE JUDGE RULED
THAT MR EASTMAN SHOULD HAND
OVER MORE THAN A 100 RELEVANT
DOCUMENTS TO THE HOUSE SELECT
COMMITTEE THAT'S INVESTIGATING
THE ATTACK. BUT IN HIS RULING,
HE ALSO WROTE THAT THE
PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS WERE
LIKELY CRIMINAL. THE JUDGE
TOOK A CLOSER LOOK AT THE
PRESSURE MISTER TRUMP PUT ON
VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE TO
OVERTURN THE ELECTION. THE
JUDGE WROTE IN PART, QUOTE,
THE LEGALITY OF THE PLAN WAS
OBVIOUS UNQUOTE NOW, TO BE
CLEAR, THIS WAS NOT A CRIMINAL
RULING. AN ATTORNEY FOR MISTER
EASTMAN SAYS HIS CLIENT PLANS
TO TURN THE DOCUMENTS OVER.
MEANWHILE, ON THURSDAY, THE
COMMITTEE PLANS TO HEAR
TESTIMONY FROM THE FORMER
PRESIDENT'S SON IN LAW. JARED
KUSHNER, HIS WIFE IVANKA TRUMP
IS REPORTEDLY STILL IN
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMITTEE
ABOUT TESTIFYING. LET'S BREAK
DOWN THE LATEST IN THE JANUARY
6 PROBE WITH NBC NEWS LEGAL
ANALYST DANNY CEVALLOS AND
ANY. LET'S START WITH THESE
REMARKS IN THE JUDGE'S RULING.
WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON
THE BROADER INVESTIGATION, IF
ANY.
>> ON THE ONE HAND, NOT
BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY A
FINDING BY A FEDERAL JUDGE
NEGATING CLAIMS OF ATTORNEY
CLIENT PRIVILEGE IS A CRIME
FRAUD EXCEPTION. IF PRIVILEGE,
THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE
LAWYER IS USED TO PERPETRATE A
CRIME OR FRAUD. AN ATTORNEY
CLIENT PRIVILEGE DISAPPEARED.
SO THIS IS JUST A FINDING IN
THE CIVIL CASE BY THE JUDGE
THAT BY HUNDREDS OF THE
EVIDENCE THAT MORE LIKELY THAN
NOT ESSENTIALLY THAT CRIME WAS
COMMITTED OR THAT THIS WAS A
PLAN AND IT WAS OBVIOUS TO
COMMIT A CRIMINAL CONDUCT IN
THE JUDGE GOES INTO DETAIL
ABOUT EVEN THOUGH PRESIDENT
TRUMP RECEIVED ADVICE, BOTH
WAYS THAT HE COULD DO THIS AND
WOULDN'T DO THIS. THE JUDGE
SAYS HE MUST HAVE KNOWN AT
SOME POINT THAT THIS WAS A BAD
IDEA. HE COULD HAVE JUST FILED
A LAWSUIT. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO
DO IN IN ONE SENSE IT HAS NO
EFFECT ON THE CRIMINAL FINDING
OF RESPONSIBILITY. BUT IN THE
OTHER SENSE, IF YOU READ THE
OPINION, IT PROVIDES INDEED A
NEW ROAD MAP WOULD BE
PROSECUTOR WHO MIGHT WANT TO
PURSUE THAT.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT JARED
KUSHNER'S ROLE IN THIS
TESTIMONY. HE WASN'T
SUBPOENAED BY THE COMMITTEE.
RIGHT. SO HOW DOES HE
POTENTIALLY FIT INTO ALL OF
THIS.
>> BUT IF HE APPEARS
VOLUNTARILY, WHICH OTHER FOLKS
HAVE DONE. IT'S A CHOICE. YOU
KNOW, IT'S A IT'S REALLY A
BUSINESS DECISION AT THE END
OF THE DAY, YOUR WIFE BY THE
INEVITABILITY, THE SUBPOENA
THE CHANCE THAT I CAN RIDE IT
OUT FOREVER OR IN THE CASE OF
JUST RECEIVING A LETTER, YOU
MIGHT JUST SAY, LOOK, I'M
WILLING TO TALK UP. I MEAN, I
HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. JARED
KUSHNER'S INTEREST TO THE
COMMITTEE OR RATHER THEIR
INTEREST IN JARED KUSHNER.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT SO MUCH
BASED ON ANY ALLEGED
INVOLVEMENT ON THE DAY OF THAT
MAY BE MORE LIKELY AS A
RECEIVER OF DOCUMENTS EMAILS
OR INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE
THAT WERE INVOLVED. SO THE
COMMITTEE MAY HAVE INTEREST IN
HIM. AND THE FACT THAT HE'S
WILLING AND TESTIFY WITHOUT
GOING THROUGH LENGTHY SUBPOENA
BATTLE INDICATES THAT HE'S
PROBABLY THINKING APPROACH
THAT LOOK, I DIDN'T DO
ANYTHING. BUT IF YOU WANT TO
SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SENT TO
ME MAYBE I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> LET'S BACK UP A LITTLE BIT
TO THIS LATEST CONTROVERSY
INVOLVING VIRGINIA THOMAS
JENNY AS SHE IS CALLED THE
WIFE OF SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
CLARENCE THOMAS. THERE'S BEEN
REPORTING IN THE LAST FEW DAYS
THAT SHE EXCHANGED TEXT
MESSAGES WITH THE FORMER WHITE
HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF MARK
MEADOWS IN WHICH SHE BASICALLY
ADVOCATED THAT THEY CONTINUE
TO FIGHT THE RESULTS OF THE
2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
SENATOR RICHARD DURBIN
COMMENTED ON THAT TODAY IN
TERMS OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN
NOW IS PART OF WHAT HE SAID.
>> IT RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS
ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR
JUSTICE TIMES. I MEAN, TO
THINK THAT HE WOULD CONSIDER A
CASE WHERE HIS WIFE IS
FREQUENTLY COME TAKING THE
CHIEF OF STAFF FOR THE
PRESIDENT GIVING ADVICE ON
MATTERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE
ALL OF THE LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THE COURT AS THE ULTIMATE
CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR THE
GOOD OF THE I THINK HE SHOULD
RECUSE FROM THOSE CASES.
>> WE DID SPEAK TO SENATORS ON
BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.
SENATOR RICHARD BLUMENTHAL WHO
IS ALSO ON THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE SAID THAT HE'S, OF
COURSE, FOCUSED ON GETTING
KETANJI BROWN JACKSON
CONFIRMED. BUT HE DID SAY THAT
THE COMMITTEE SHOULD CONSIDER
SOME KIND OF INVESTIGATION. HE
ALSO SAID THE CHIEF JUSTICE
ROBERTS ON TO DEMAND A PUBLIC
EXPLANATION FROM JUSTICE
THOMAS AND THAT HE MUST
ABSOLUTELY RECUSE HIMSELF FROM
CASES RELATED TO THE ELECTION
DANNY, WHAT'S THE NET EFFECT
OF THIS RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT
SURE HOW MUCH INFLUENCE ANYONE
REALLY HAS OVER THIS EXCEPT
FOR THE CHIEF JUSTICE.
>> WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF
THEY JUDGE IT AS A JUSTICE OF
THE SUPREME COURT REFUSES TO
RECUSE HIMSELF. WHAT ARE YOUR
OPTIONS SUPREME COURT IS THE
LAST STOP ON THE JUDICIAL
ROAD. SO THERE'S REALLY NO
DEAL FROM A RECUSAL DENIAL AT
THE SUPREME COURT SO THAT
GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW
IMPORTANT THE JOB IS AND IN A
CASE LIKE THIS, LOOK JUDGES
ARE POLITICAL CREATURES.
THEY'RE INVOLVED IN THINGS
THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE USUALLY A
MEMBER OF ONE POLITICAL PARTY
OR ANOTHER. BUT THIS IS
DIFFERENT. THIS IS A SPOUSE.
IT'S THE RELATIONSHIP THAT IS
THE MOST PRIVATE, THE IT TO ME
OF RELATIONSHIP IN SOCIETY.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE
THAT IT CREATES MAYBE NOT
IMPROPRIETY, BUT THE
APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. AND
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RULES OF
ETHICS FOR LAWYERS AND JUDGES
ALIKE. IT'S NOT ALWAYS WHETHER
OR NOT THAT WAS ACTUALLY
SOMETHING IMPROPER DONE. IT'S
THE MERE APPEARANCE OF
IMPROPRIETY. RIGHT. AND
IMPARTIALITY OF THE JUDICIAL
SYSTEM.
>> BEFORE WE GOT TO LET YOU
DANNY. WE HAVE AN UPDATE FROM
THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE
TONIGHT, CONGRESS WAS DECIDING
WHETHER OR NOT TO HOLD 2 OF
THE PRESIDENT'S AIDES. PETER
NAVARRO AND DAN SCAVINO IN
CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS AND THEY
HAVE RECOMMENDED CHARGES THAT
THE BOTH BEELD IN CONTEMPT
OF CONGRESS. DAN, EXPLAIN WHAT
THAT WOULD MEAN AND HOW THAT
FACTORS INTO THE COMMITTEE'S
INVESTIGATION HOLDING THE 2 OF
THEM IN CONTEMPT.
>> THE CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS IS
A UNIQUE CRIMINAL ANIMAL
BECAUSE IT IT BEGINS, YOU
KNOW, TOTALLY DIFFERENT WAY
THAN MOST CRIMES DO AT THE AND
OF COURSE THE STATE LEVEL AT
THIS POINT NOW GOES TO THE
HOUSE AND IF THE HOUSE
APPROVES GOES TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. BUT THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS NOT
AN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
AND EXERCISING INDEPENDENT
JUDGMENT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT
TO BRING CHARGES. SO AGAIN,
NOT ONLY IS IT POLITICAL IN
CONGRESS. THERE'S A SECOND
LEVEL WHEN IT GETS TO THE DOJ.
THAT IS POLITICAL BECAUSE THE
DOJ IS IT SELF A POLITICAL OF
COURSE, IT WORKS TO JUSTICE.
BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT
THEY'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD
WITH CHARGES IN THIS THAT'S
WHY CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS IS
RATHER UNIQUE AND MAYBE EVEN
ODD LITTLE CRIME BECAUSE
DOESN'T FOLLOW ALL THE RULES
MOST OF THE CRIMES AND
CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
>> AND LAST 10 SECONDS. DANNY,
IF YOU ARE FOUND GUILTY OF
CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS. WHAT'S
THE PUNISHMENT?
>> BUT AS A CARE, IT'S NOT
DECADES IN PRISON, BUT IT IS A
POTENTIAL JAIL TIME OR
CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS. IT IS A
FEDERAL CRIME AND REALLY ALL
FEDERAL CRIMES ARE SERIOUS
BECAUSE THEY ALMOST ALWAYS
THERE IS SOME FORM OF
INCARCERATION AS POTENTIAL
SENTENCE.
>> THAT THANK YOU, IT'S IN BC,
NEWS. LEGAL ANALYST DANNY
CEVALLOS WITH US TONIGHT. ALSO
TODAY, PRESIDENT BIDEN
UNVEILED HIS PROPOSED BUDGET
FOR THE 2023 FISCAL YEAR AND
HE INCLUDED SOMETHING THAT
MANY OF HIS PROGRESSIVE
SUPPORTERS HAVE BEEN HOPING
FOR WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL A
BILLIONAIRES TAX.
>> JUST PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE.
PAY A LITTLE BIT. A
FIREFIGHTER AND A TEACHER. PAY
MORE THAN DOUBLE. THE TAX RATE
AND A BILLIONAIRE THAT'S NOT
FAIR. MY BUDGET CONTAINS A
BILLIONAIRE MINIMUM TAX
BECAUSE OF THAT, THE 20%
MINIMUM TAX APPLIES ONLY TO
THE TOP 100 THS OF ONE
PERCENT, 101% OF AMERICANS
WILL PAY THIS TAX. THE
BILLIONAIRE MINIMUM TAX IS
FAIR AND THE RATE IS
360 BILLION DOLLARS. IT CAN BE
USED TO LOWER COSTS FOR
FAMILIES AND CUT THE DEFICIT.
>> THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT
SPEAKING TODAY. LET'S GET MORE
NOW FROM NBC WHITE HOUSE
CORRESPONDENT MIKE MEMOLI.
MIKE.
>> WELL, JUST SO YOU KNOW,
THERE'S AN OLD EXPRESSION IN
WASHINGTON AS IT RELATES TO A
PRESIDENT'S BUDGET, WHICH IS
THE WHITE HOUSE PROPOSES AND
CONGRESS DISPOSES. AND SO WE
KNOW AS THE PRESIDENT TODAY
INTRODUCES A 5.8 TRILLION
DOLLAR BUDGET PROPOSAL FOR THE
NEXT FISCAL YEAR THAT CONGRESS
IS GOING TO HAVE ITS OWN SAY
HERE AND ALL THE PRESIDENT'S
PRIORITIES ARE UNLIKELY TO SEE
THE FINISH LINE. BUT AS THE
PRESIDENT HIMSELF PUT IT, A
BUDGET IS MORE THAN THAT. IT'S
A STATEMENT OF PRIORITIES. THE
STATEMENT OF VALUES,
ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IN AN
ELECTION YEAR. AND SO THE
PRESIDENT REALLY BROKE DOWN
THIS PROPOSAL INTO 3 SEPARATE
CATEGORIES INTERESTINGLY, THE
FIRST ONE FISCAL
RESPONSIBILITY. THE PRESIDENT
MAKING THE POINT THAT THIS
YEAR'S BUDGET DEFICIT IS
PROJECTED TO BE 1.3 TRILLION
DOLLARS LESS THAN THE YEAR
BEFORE. AND IN FACT, IT'S EVEN
LESS THAN NOW. HALF OF WHAT
THE BUDGET DEFICIT WAS THAT HE
INHERITED FROM HIS PREDECESSOR
THE PRESIDENT TODAY DOING
SOMETHING HE DOESN'T DO OFTEN,
WHICH IS ACTUALLY INVOKING
WHAT HE CALLED THE TRUMP
DEFICITS THAT HE INHERITED NOW
PART OF THE BUDGET PROPOSAL
FROM THE PRESIDENT TODAY TO
CONTINUE DEFICIT REDUCTION FOR
THE NEXT 10 YEARS IS THE
INTRODUCTION OF WHAT HE'S
CALLING A BILLIONAIRE'S
MINIMUM INCOME TAX THAT WOULD
ESSENTIALLY TREAT INVESTMENT
INCOME FOR THE UBER WEALTHY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 0, 1%, OF
AMERICANS, THE SAME AS
TRADITIONAL SOURCES OF INCOME
REQUIRING THEM TO PAY UP TO A
20% OF THAT INCOME AS TAX.
NOW, THE SECOND CATEGORY, THE
PRESIDENT TODAY TALKING ABOUT
WHICH IS SECURITY AT HOME AND
SECURITY ABROAD. THE PRESIDENT
PROPOSING 800 BILLION DOLLARS
IN TERMS OF DEFENSE SPENDING
AND INCREASED DRIVEN LARGELY
BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION IN
UKRAINE. THE EFFORTS ON THE
PART OF THE U.S. TO SUPPORT
OUR NATO ALLIES AS WELL AS
UKRAINE. THE SECOND IS A
30 BILLION DOLLARS FUNDING FOR
LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CRIME
PREVENTION STRATEGIES THAT
REALLY PUT THE PRESIDENT ON
THE RECORD AND FURTHER SAID
LISTING DISTANCE BETWEEN THE
DEFUND THE POLICE MOVE IN BY
CALLING FOR AN INCREASE.
>> AND FUNDING HERE. AND THEN
THE LAST CATEGORY, THE
PRESIDENT CALLS IT BUILDING A
NEW AMERICA. THIS IS WHAT WE
WOULD USED TO CALL BUILD BACK
BETTER. THE WHITE HOUSE STILL
HOLDING OUT HOPES THAT THE
PRESIDENT CAN GET SOME OF HIS
DOMESTIC PRIORITIES THROUGH,
INCLUDING THINGS LIKE
UNIVERSAL CHILDCARE, PRE K
INCLUDING THE MEDICARE BE ABLE
TO NEGOTIATE THE PRICES OF
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. THE
PRESIDENT REITERATING HIS CALL
FOR THOSE PRIORITIES IN HIS
ADDRESS TODAY. NOW AS THE
HOUSE BUDGET COMMITTEE
CHAIRMAN JOHN YARMUTH SAID HE
SAW THIS AS A BUDGET PROPOSAL
AIMED AT ONE PERSON, JOE
MENTIONED THE WHITE HOUSE
INDICATING YES, THEY STILL
HAVE HOPE OF SEEING SOME OF
THESE PROPOSALS THROUGH. BUT
AS WE KNOW, IT'S A LONG WAY
AHEAD. JOSHUA.
>> THANK YOU, MIKE. THAT'S NBC
WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT MIKE
MEMOLI REPORTING IN FLORIDA,
THE CONTROVERSIAL EDUCATION
MEASURE THAT CRITICS CALL THE
DON'T SAY BILL IS NOW LAW
GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS SIGNED
IT TODAY THAT BILL IS ACTUALLY
CALLED THE PARENTAL RIGHTS IN
EDUCATION ACT. IT PROHIBITS
CLASSROOM DISCUSSION ABOUT
ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY
IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS. IT ALSO
LETS PARENTS SUE SCHOOLS IF
THEY BELIEVE SUCH A
CONVERSATION IS NOT AGE
APPROPRIATE. GOVERNOR DESANTIS
IS RUNNING FOR REELECTION IN
ADDITION TO BEING WIDELY
CONSIDERED A POTENTIAL
REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATE SOON AFTER THE
SIGNING A STATEMENT FROM THE
WALT DISNEY COMPANY SAID THAT
IT WOULD FIGHT THE MEASURE.
THE GOVERNOR SAID THAT
OPPOSITION DID NOT FAZE HIM.
>> WE WILL CONTINUE TO
RECOGNIZE THAT IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA. PARENTS HAVE A
FUNDAMENTAL ROLE IN THE
EDUCATION HEALTH CARE AND
WELL-BEING OF THEIR CHILDREN.
WE WILL NOT MOVE FROM THAT. I
DON'T CARE WHAT CORPORATE
MEDIA OUTLETS SAY. I DON'T
CARE WHAT HOLLYWOOD SAYS. I
DON'T CARE WHAT BIG
CORPORATIONS SAY HERE. I
STAND. I'M NOT BACKING DOWN.
>> A STATEMENT FROM EDUCATION
SECRETARY MIGUEL CARDONA READS
IN PART, QUOTE, WE WILL BE
MONITORING THIS LAW UPON
IMPLEMENTATION TO EVALUATE
WHETHER IT VIOLATES FEDERAL
CIVIL RIGHTS LAW, UNQUOTE. AND
AS FOR THAT IMPLEMENTATION,
THE BILL IS SET TO TAKE EFFECT
DURING SUMMER BREAK ON JULY.
1ST. JUST AHEAD.
>> THE OSCARS THERE WERE
PLENTY OF FIRSTS. IN ADDITION
TO THAT, SHOCKING MOMENTS THAT
EVERYONE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
WE'LL GET INTO ALL OF IT.
BEFORE WE GO.
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>> SO DID YOU CATCH THE OSCARS
LAST NIGHT. A LOT MORE HAPPENS
IN JUST THE SLAP. THEY
ACTUALLY GAVE OUT AWARDS,
INCLUDING SOME THAT MADE
HOLLYWOOD HISTORY ARIANNA TO
BOWS WON THE FIRST AWARD OF
THE NIGHT FOR HER SUPPORTING
ROLE IN WEST SIDE STORY. SHE'S
THE FIRST FOR LATINA TO WIN AN
ACTING OSCAR. JANE CAMPION WON
BEST DIRECTOR FOR THE FILM.
THE POWER OF THE DOG. SHE'S
THE FIRST WOMAN NOMINATED FOR
THIS AWARD TWICE. TROY KOTSUR
WON AN OSCAR FOR HIS
SUPPORTING ROLE IN COTA. HE'S
THE FIRST DEAF MAN TO WIN AN
ACADEMY AWARD IN ACTING AND HE
TOOK THE STAGE AGAIN WHEN COTA
WON THE ACADEMY AWARD FOR BEST
PICTURE WILL FOCUS MORE ON
RICKY POINTS OR A DEAF.
YOUTUBER WRITER AND
ACCESSIBILITY EXPERT AND
HELPING US OUT TONIGHT IS
INTERPRETER. FELICIA WILLIAMS.
WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. GOOD TO
HAVE YOU WITH US. AND RICKY, I
WONDER IF WE COULD START FIRST
OF ALL, IF YOU WOULD JUST TELL
ME WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF CODA
AND WHETHER YOU FELT THAT IT
ACCURATELY PORTRAYED PARTS OF
THE DEAF COMMUNITY.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY
>> CODE IS KIND OF AN
INTERESTING. OVERALL I JUST
LIKE THE YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY
FRIEND AND I I KNOW DANIEL
PERSONALLY. SO MIGHT BE A
LITTLE BIT BISON THAT REGARD.
AND I YOU KNOW, REALLY BIG
RESPECT
>> TROY AND MILEY IN TERMS OF
REPRESENTATION. I MEAN,
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE FACT
THAT WE HAVE ACTUAL GET PEOPLE
TO ACTUALLY SIGN, YOU KNOW, IN
THE MOVIE.
>> THAT'S A GREAT DEPRESSION
WHEN YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE
FIGHT ORIGINALLY I THINK THEY
WANTED HEARING MAN TO PLAY
TROY LIKE IT WOULD ACT AS A
DEAF MAN. I WAS LIKE, NO, WE
CAN'T HAVE THAT. THAT MAYBE
SHE REALLY GOOD.
>> I THINK THERE ARE SOME
PARTS OF COUNTY MEMBER
ENTIRELY SPECIFICALLY. I THINK
WAS THINGS JUST THE WHOLE
FIGHT TO WIN IN GUYS TO LIKE.
TRYING TO GET ACCESS TO LIKE,
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THAT THE
DOCTORS.
>> YOU KNOW, THEY THEY SEEM TO
BE.
>> A LITTLE BIT LAX AND THAT'S
THE THEY JUST HAD THEIR
DAUGHTER INTERPRET BUT I ALSO
REALIZE THAT TOWNS TEND TO
>> THERE. IT WAS. WHAT'S THE
WORD? I'M LOOKING FOR LITTLE
BIT OF IT DOES TEND TO BE
NORMAL, WHICH IS HONESTLY A
GOOD THING, BUT IT DOES
HAPPEN. BUT THOUGH ONE THING I
THE SAYING WHEN THEY'RE OF
WHEN THE DAD MOM ARE GOING UP.
LET'S GO IN THAT TRUCK AND THE
IS IS GOING HAVE A AS SOMEONE
WHO ALSO RE MAX I REALLY,
REALLY TO O.
>> SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
HEARING PEOPLE NEED TO
UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE DEAF
COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS FILM. I
THINK, FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN JUST
A TERM COTA A CHILD OF DEAF
ADULTS IS SOMETHING WORTH
KNOWING ALSO THE FACT THAT YOU
ARE BOTH DEAF AND VERBAL
SPEAKING WITH THE HELP OF AN
INTERPRETER, BUT ALSO
VERBALIZING. THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT MAY BE HEARING PEOPLE
MIGHT NOT EXPECT OR MIGHT NOT
THINK ABOUT.
>> YEAH. I SOMETIMES I NOT
TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
PEOPLE TEND TO GET TO IS ONE THAT SO YOU'RE TALKING RIGHT.
THAT SO YOU'RE TALKING RIGHT.
YEAH, BUT YOU'RE SO WHAT WE'RE
LOOKING RIGHT IS IT A GROUP OF
THE MAINSTREAM DOES PERSON.
AND WHAT DO PUBLISH. BOY, THEY
SAY THEY DIDN'T GROW UP WITH.
I DID NOT GROW UP WITH. AND SO
SO YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN
LEARNING I'M USING THAT FOR
THE LAST COUPLE YEARS BUT
ENGLISH IS MY FIRST TO MY
NATIVE LANGUAGE. SO IT'S JUST
EASIER FOR ME ESPECIALLY AND
THINGS LIKE THIS TO USE
ENGLISH JUST SO I CAN MAKE
SURE THAT MY THOUGHTS ARE
ACROSS ESPECIALLY WHEN NURSE.
BUT JUST MAKE SURE THAT MY
WORDS COME OUT THE WAY THAT I
WANT THEM TO. BUT YEAH, DEAF
IS NO NOT JUST ONE SIZE FITS
ALL. SOME OF US WILL GROW UP
SPEAKING ONLY OR SIGNING ONLY
OR SOMETIMES IT'S A MIXTURE
OF. AND YOU'RE OR WHOEVER YOU
ME IS VERY LIKELY GOING TO BE
DIFFERENT FROM THE NEXT ONE
AND NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME
COMMUNICATION NEEDS OR
COMMUNICATION STYLE THAT JUST
BUILDING NEEDS THINGS LIKE
THAT. LIKE WE'RE NOT A MODEL
THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF
SIMILARITIES TOGETHER. BUT,
YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST LIKE ANY
OTHER IN THE ER. WE DO TO.
>> BEFORE I HAVE TO LET YOU
GO. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE
DEAF COMMUNITY IS NOT A
MONOLITH THAT IS WELL SAID.
AND I THINK MAYBE SOME PEOPLE
ARE THINKING MORE ABOUT
ACCESSIBILITY. WHAT'S THE ONE
BIGGEST THING THAT YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SEE MORE OF FORESEE
DIFFERENT TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY
TO MAKE THIS WORLD MORE
ACCESSIBLE FOR DEAF AND HARD
OF HEARING PEOPLE.
>> OH, GOD, THAT'S SO HARD.
>> TO SAY BECAUSE I THINK THE
BIGGEST THING THAT I COULD SAY
IS THAT IT SOUNDS WEIRD TO
SOME PEOPLE SAY THIS MAY BE
BUT ACCESSIBILITY AND NEVER
GOING TO BE A 100% LIKE
NOTHING IS EVER GOING TO BE A
100% THE VOTE IS NOT PERFECT
BECAUSE EVERY EVEN IF YOU HAVE
TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER, RIGHT.
SO YOU HAVE ME IN LIKE, I
DON'T KNOW MY FRIEND WE WOULD
HAVE LIKED TO FOR IT. MAYBE
CAPTIONING NEEDS IN A WAY THAT
THAT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, LIKE
CERTAIN SIZES STYLES, THINGS
LIKE THAT, PEOPLE END UP
BLIND, PEOPLE THAT HAVE SO I
THINK IN REGARD TO
ACCESSIBILITY. THAT IS THE
BEST THING IN MY OPINION WOULD
BE TOO. LISTEN TO THE PERSON
THAT DOES MEAN THAT
ACCESSIBILITY AND ASKED THEM
WHAT THEY NEED AND DO YOUR
BEST TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE
THAT AND JUST DON'T BUY THEM
ON IT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT
HAS TO HAPPEN ALLIES IF I'M
ASKING FOR SOMETHING IN TERMS
OF CUSTODY OF TIMES. I WILL
GET BACK ON IT AND THEY'LL BE
LIKE OKAY, BUT YOU DO. YOU
REALLY NEED THAT. THERE WERE
SOME SO DIDN'T NEED BUT I'LL
BE LIKE, WELL, THAT'S THIS IS
ME RIGHT.
>> RICKY POINTER WITH
INTERPRETER. FELICIA WILLIAMS,
I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH MAKING
TIME FOR US TONIGHT. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. AND BEFORE WE GO,
WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU
ABOUT THE SLAP. HEAR ME OUT
FIRST LAST NIGHT'S INCIDENT
GOT ME THINKING ABOUT FREE
SPEECH AND THE FIRST
AMENDMENT. IT'S OK TO SLAP A
COMEDIAN, THEN WHAT DOES THAT
MEAN FOR ME AS A JOURNALIST.
WHAT IF SOMEONE DECIDED TO
COME AFTER ME FOR REPORTING
SOMETHING THEY DESPISE THE
FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTS
SPEECH. EVEN IF YOU HATE IT
EVEN PROTECTS HATE SPEECH, THE
RISKS OF WHAT WE SAY MAY BE
PROFESSIONAL, BUT RARELY ARE
THEY PHYSICAL. LAST NIGHT
ONLINE. SOME OF YOU FOCUSED ON
JADA PINKETT SMITH SMELL A
MEDICAL CONDITION. ALOPECIA
OTHERS EMPATHIZED WITH WILL
SMITH IS A PARTNER STANDING UP
FOR HIS WOMAN. STILL, OTHERS
CALLED A TOXIC MASCULINITY
INCARNATE. TO BE FAIR. A FEW
OF YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T REALLY
CARE. AND WE SHOULD JUST FOCUS
ON UKRAINE INSTEAD. SO YES, WE
HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE SLAP.
BUT NOT TONIGHT. NOW WITH THE
SPENDING OPTIONS TO FOCUS ON.
LET'S GET PAST THE HOT TAKES
AND GO DEEPER. FOR STARTERS.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW FOLKS
AROUND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
THIS NOW. SO TELL US. WHAT IS
THE BEST CONVERSATION YOU'VE
HAD ABOUT THE INCIDENT AT THE
OSCARS. WHO DID YOU TALK TO
AND WHAT DID YOU LEARN. SHARE
YOUR STORY WITH US. WE ARE AT
NBC NOW TONIGHT ON SOCIAL
MEDIA, LEAVE US A VOICEMAIL,
888-5752, NBC I'D ALSO LOVE TO
KNOW HOW PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT
PARTS OF THE WORLD ARE TALKING
ABOUT IT THE BEST CONVERSATION
YOU HAD ABOUT THE INCIDENT AT
THE OSCARS. WHO DID YOU TALK
TO AND WHAT DID YOU LEARN. YOU
CAN ALSO E-MAIL US NOW TONIGHT
AT NBC NEWS, DOT COM.
>> AND WE WILL SHARE SOME OF
YOUR STORIES TOMORROW. I
CANNOT WAIT TO CONTINUE THIS
CONVERSATION WITH YOU. BUT
UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN, I'M
JOSHUA JOHNSON, THANK YOU FOR
MAKING TIME FOR US AND WE'LL
SEE TOMORROW TONIGHT.
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