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Good evening, everyone and welcome to
the UC San Diego Center for
Healthy Aging Public Lecture event.
For those of you who I haven't
had the chance to meet yet,
my name is Danielle Glorioso,
and I'm the Executive Director of
the Stein Institute for Research on Aging
and the Center for Healthy Aging.
I'm just so delighted to see
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We're really excited about it.
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I'd like to go ahead and introduce our speaker tonight.
We're so thrilled to have Dr.
Katherine Richman or Meg Richman.
She's a radiologist here at UC San Diego,
and she has been serving as Medical Director of
radiology at Thornton hospital since 1999.
She completed all of her training here at UCSD,
starting from medical school
all the way through fellowship.
She's a body imager performing CTs,
ultrasounds and fluoroscopic studies,
specializing in procedures to assess a women for
infertility and gynecological issues.
Today, she joins us to discuss
the impact of nutrition on our health.
Please join me in welcoming Dr. Meg Richman.
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Thank you, Danielle, and thank
you all for coming this evening.
I really appreciate it.
Let's talk about what we eat and
how it impacts our health. Are you excited?
Yes.
Great. I'd like to start with a quiz.
Make sure you're all awake and excited
about this information.
Dr. Campbell, I heard you rumbling
that you've already read the China Study,
but as you remember in the book,
he's looking at rats with liver cancer.
He fed them 20 percent protein or 5 percent protein,
and what happened to the rats then?
What's going on in Norway during World War II?
What is being depicted in this graph?
We're going to talk about that.
How to have a good time,
eat blank to power your sexual life.
Even if it seems hard at times,
we'll find out what that is.
In terms of osteoporosis,
we're looking at various countries.
Calcium intake here, let me use the other pointer, sorry.
Calcium intake on the bottom
here and hip fracture right here.
You'll see that these countries here have
very high calcium intake but
also very high hip fracture rate.
These two countries here,
very little calcium intake but
very low hip fracture rate.
What are those countries?
G-bombs, Dr. Fuhrman refers to G-bombs.
What are they? Why are they important?
What is even more disturbing and what
virtually no one recognizes is that
blank is killing our brains
to physically shriveling them.
Two different brains here.
Which one do you want? [LAUGHTER]
Let's get started.
We're going to be talking about healthy,
nutrient, wealthy and wise.
We're going to start with healthy,
and we're going to begin talking about cancer.
There are three stages to cancer.
The first is initiation.
I hate to say, but every single one of
us in this room is making cancer cells.
It's just what we do.
The next stage is promotion.
Initiation is like you make seeds,
and then the promotion face
is where do you put those seeds?
Do you throw them on a carpeted
floor like here so they can't
grow or do you put them on
soil and give them miracle grow.
Do you allow that cancer to grow?
Then the third stage is progression
where the cancer just grows like wildfire.
Dr. Campbell here wrote the book that China Study,
Cornell Nutritional Biochemist.
How did he get involved with all this?
It started in the 1960s.
He was looking at malnutrition in the Philippines.
He was involved with something called
the Mother Craft project.
The whole point of the project was to cure malnutrition,
and how are they going to do that?
They were going to increase protein.
When he got to the Philippines, he was shocked.
Hepatitis B is endemic there,
but the poor, he found no liver cancer.
Yet in the rich,
even in kids as young as four years of age,
they were getting liver cancer.
Four years of age getting liver cancer.
How is that possible?
Well, he noted that the rich were the only ones
who could afford the animal protein.
Now, this didn't make sense to him because then
liver cancer was previously thought to
be a protein deficiency problem.
In fact, that was the whole point
of the Mother Craft project
was to cure malnutrition
by increasing protein consumption.
How could protein consumption be related to cancer?
He'd knew that aflatoxin,
which is the most powerful carcinogen,
was very high in
the Philippines and he thought maybe that's why.
He also had heard of this obscure study in India.
The rats with liver cancer,
some are fed 20 percent protein levels,
others 5 percent protein levels.
What happened? They also gave
them aflatoxin, that carcinogen.
These rats got liver cancer,
all the white dots you see,
these rats did not know liver cancer.
One of Dr. Campbell's colleagues said,
"Oh, they must have mislabeled the cages because then,
[LAUGHTER] yeah, then as now,
everyone believes protein, protein, protein."
Dr. Campbell start thinking about what is
the role of protein in tumor genesis,
meaning the growth of cancer.
The rats study in India cancer only
developed in those with high protein intake.
The Mother Craft project,
only those with diets higher in protein got cancer.
How could this be? He started
doing some investigations in his lab.
He started studying what happened as he
brought protein levels down to five percent.
You have to understand that aflatoxin
by itself is not dangerous.
It becomes dangerous when acted
on by this mixed function oxidase,
NFO, makes aflatoxin the dangerous metabolite.
What Dr. Campbell found was as he lowered protein,
he found lower levels of NFO, and did this matter?
Yes, lower protein levels
meant fewer mutations of the DNA.
What else did he find happened
as he lowered the protein levels?
Less aflatoxin entered the cells.
The cells multiplied more slowly.
The NFO, that enzyme,
the ability decreased and the amount decreased,
and all of this collectively lead to fewer DNA mutations.
Then Dr. Campbell started to do another study.
He looked at actual cancer foci.
Meaning he looked under the microscope and he
looked for little cells of cancer,
and he found that those fed
the 20 percent protein had many cancer foci.
But the one fed 5 percent,
very few cancer foci,
and he thought, well, that's interesting.
Then he thought, now which is more
important, toxins or protein?
He did another study.
The 20 percent rats got off easy, no aflatoxin.
The 5 percent rats got whopping doses of aflatoxin,
and what happened? Nothing changed.
Lots of cancer foci here,
very few despite all the aflatoxin.
Many more foci here.
Then he made the study even more complicated.
For three weeks, the rats had a 5 percent protein diet,
then he switched them to
20 percent protein. What happened?
The cancer foci grew.
Then after three weeks at 20 percent,
he flipped them back to
5 percent diet, and what happened?
The cancer foci went away.
When he flipped them again,
the cancer foci came back.
When he flipped them back to 5 percent,
the cancer foci went away.
What he said was foci growth could
be reversed up or down by
switching the amount of protein for
all stages of cancer development.
I hope you now notice,
so that means we have good memory for bad nutrition.
The body can remember early carcinogen insults
and cancer can be reawakened by bad nutrition later.
He also noticed that the Dose Response Curve disappears.
What do we mean by Dose Response curve?
Those fed the high-protein diet
had a Dose Response Curve.
As he increased aflatoxin,
he got more cancer.
More aflatoxin, more cancer.
That's what you expect for a Dose Response Curve.
But for the rats in the low-protein diet,
he could give him as much aflatoxin as he wanted
and they didn't bump the cancer foci number.
Remember his question was,
which one's more important, toxins or proteins?
What does this show us?
This shows us that low protein
could override the effects of carcinogens,
so protein more important than carcinogens.
You'll say that's tiny cancer foci.
What about actual tumor development?
Dr. Campbell did that.
He was looking for gross tumors,
stuff that you could actually see.
The 20 percent rats, they all died.
The five percent fed rats were fine.
In fact, he mentioned that they were
alive and active with sleek hair coats.
I don't know what that means, but it sounded good.
Then he repeated the study again.
The five percent protein rats got lots of aflatoxin,
didn't make any difference.
These rats died.
These rats were fine despite the aflatoxin.
So still alive. He said,
"Like flipping a light switch off and on,
we could control cancer promotion
merely by changing the levels of protein,
regardless of initial exposure to a carcinogen."
What about other cancers?
Not Dr. Campbell, a different
group at the University of Chicago,
they looked at breast cancer in rats.
They use two different carcinogens, these here.
They did a similar study looking at
20 percent protein versus
five percent protein and what did they find?
Just like Dr. Campbell,
they found that these rats died,
and these rats were fine.
They noticed that as they increase the amount of protein,
they were using casein,
that promoted breast cancer development.
Back to Dr. Campbell.
He started looking at other cancers,
including pancreatic cancer.
He repeated it again.
The five percent got lots of aflatoxin,
the 20 percent did not. Same results.
These ones died, these ones didn't.
Why am I personally very
interested in this one about pancreatic cancer?
Because of my dad. Here's my mom and dad.
My dad fought in World War II,
he did not smoke and he did not drink,
but he ate the terrible American diets.
He had multiple strokes and multiple heart attacks,
but he finally died of pancreatic cancer.
Because he had pancreatic cancer,
I'm at increased risk,
and so anything I can do to
reduce my risk makes me happy.
Before you say, well, I'm just going to
lower protein in my diet.
Let's ask what protein
was being used in all these studies?
The answer is milk protein.
It was casein, milk protein.
Then Dr. Campbell said,
"Well, is the problem protein,
or is the problem where you get the protein from?"
He repeated the studies.
This one looking at breast cancer, he used wheat.
Guess what? Those rats were fine.
It wasn't the level of protein,
it was the type of protein.
He tested a whole bunch of plant-based proteins.
In this one looking at liver cancer,
he used soy. Guess what?
Those rats were fine.
It's not the protein, it's the type of protein.
Now, he had strong evidence.
Two different organs, liver and breast,
four different carcinogens, two different species,
he was looking at mice and rats;
casein, milk protein promotes cancer growth.
It affects the way the carcinogens interact with DNA,
and affects the way the cancer cells grow.
In terms of tumor genesis, growth of tumor,
he tested a whole variety of things and what did he find?
Nutrients from animal-based foods,
increased tumor development, while nutrients from
plant-based foods decreased tumor development.
Very striking. Guess what?
I used to eat this all the time.
Not anymore.
Casein one is the most relevant cancer promoter
ever discovered.
Now, you may be saying, "That's in rats,
why do I care? Who cares about rats?"
Well, why is this relevant?
Rats and humans have the same protein need,
protein operates the same way in both.
The level of protein that causes
cancer is the same for both and in both,
the promotion stage is far
more important than the initiation stage.
Meaning that it's not just you make
a cancer cell, what do you do with it?
Do you allow that cancer cell to grow?
What he said is "These, and many other studies,
showed nutrition to be far more important in controlling
cancer promotion than the dose
of the initiating carcinogen."
What about in human populations?
Do we see the same results?
What was The China Study?
That's the name of his book,
it's a monumental survey looking at death rates of
12 different cancers in 2400 Chinese counties,
880 million Chinese, 96 percent of the population,
that's a huge study.
Eighty-seven percent of them were
the same ethnic group, the Han people,
so we couldn't say it was
genetic variability that led to the results.
The New York Times called
this the "Grand Prix of epidemiologic studies."
Which cancer should they find
were most responsive to diet?
The three most responsive,
breast, prostate and colon,
but also lymphoma, liver, lung,
brain, and esophageal. What did they find?
As the amount of animal foods increased,
so did the rate of cancer.
Even for small amounts of animal food,
you have to understand the Chinese on average,
eat a whole lot less meat than we do in the States.
Most cancers occurred in
direct proportion to the quantity
of animal foods consumed,
meaning you eat more animal products,
you get more cancer.
More animal products, more cancer.
Now, you may be saying denial, don't believe it.
Guess what? Denial is a uniquely human trait.
Dr. Varkey here at UCSD has found this out.
He was very interested in evolution and he was trying to
decide why did we humans
beat out all the other super smart species?
Why did we humans beat out all the other hominids?
You might think that your neighbor or
your boss is a Neanderthal,
but actually there are no Neanderthals.
We beat out everything else.
In his book, he's talking about how
that ability to deny some aspects of reality,
what allowed us to evolve.
Then in the middle of this book I find this paragraph.
He's a molecular biologist here at UCSD.
"In my own lab, I study the mechanism
by which the eating of red meat, beef, pork,
and lamb results in the
well-known increase of heart attacks,
cancer, and early death."
This is a slide Dr. Varkey gave me.
Red meat and milk products have
glycolylneuraminic acid that when we ingest it,
it goes into our endothelium and our epithelium,
and causes cancer and heart disease.
Now before you jump to say,
"Oh, great. I just won't eat these, wait just a minute."
But going on within his book, I found this,
"Seventy percent of the group in his lab had been
moderate to heavy red meat eaters
prior to joining the group.
All understood
both the epidemiologic and molecular information
and fully agreed with the nature of the risk.
Despite this, only a third
had significantly reduced their meat intake,
and only one person had quit altogether."
This is a photo he gave me his lab.
Look, they're all eating meat.
This guy has got a meat mustache.
[LAUGHTER] In fact,
the meat consumption has actually gone
up in his lab 90 percent,
even though they know it's bad for them.
This is what he says, "Denial
of mortality is also part of
a much broader concept about
other human ability to deny
many other aspects of reality,
especially, when such realities are not to our liking.
For example, we smoke cigarettes,
eat unhealthy foods, don't
watch our weight, and don't exercise,
despite our full awareness that
these habits are a prescription for an early death."
Who else was in denial?
That's me with my husband.
That's 2007 before we were plant-based.
I look awful.
You can say it. It's okay.
I look terrible before going plant-based.
[LAUGHTER] I'm fat, I'm pudgy,
my skin looks yellow, it's terrible.
My husband's fat, it's just terrible.
[LAUGHTER] Yeah.
It's okay. You can say it.
[LAUGHTER] We started dating in
2007 and many people
laugh at this, I'm not quite sure why.
But anyway, when we started dating,
he says, "You shouldn't be dating me.
I'll be dead in a year."
He was told that if he didn't get a liver transplant,
he would be dead in a year
because of his liver condition.
He was having monthly or weekly shaking chills
and fevers to 104.
It took quite a while before he ever went to see
a doctor and you might be going,
"Well, that's stupid.
Why didn't he go to a doctor earlier?"
Finally, a tick bite got him to go.
Why didn't he go earlier?
Because he grew up on a ranch in Wyoming and
cowboys don't go to see the doctor.
Come on. He waited a long time,
but he finally went because he
thought he had Lyme's disease.
Turns out his liver function tests
were 12 times higher than normal.
They tested him up the yin-yang, no Lyme's disease,
no viral hepatitis, normal iron, normal copper.
For any docs in the audience,
he has Alpha 1 Antitrypsin trips and which
attacks the lungs and the liver.
A genetic liver disorder,
that's what was attacking his liver.
Because he grew up on a ranch,
he ate meat three times a day.
Grand Slam at Denny's,
all the meat you can eat, he loved meat.
He thought this whole being
plant-based was a bunch of hogwash.
I said, "Okay, let's do a study on you.
We're going to do 12 days of a plant-based diet.
I'm going to test your cholesterol day
one and I'm going to test it day 12."
His cholesterol one from 199 to 163 in 12 days.
More impressive, his liver function tests
were three times normal,
became normal for the first time
since he knew he was sick.
He's now plant-based and gone are the chills,
gone are the fevers.
You know those commercials where the food
smacks the person,
I don't even have to yell at him.
Because if he cheats,
his own body says no,
I don't want that bad food anymore.
He's plant-based too.
This was the most powerful information to help
him see the impact on his own body.
Now, you might be saying is red meat the only problem?
That's great, I'll just get rid of red meat.
Wait just a second. In this study, 32,000 adults,
if they avoided red but ate white meat,
more than 300 percent increase incidents of colon cancer.
Now, notice eating beans, peas,
and lentils at least twice a week halved that risk.
So 50 percent lower risk than never eating those foods,
so eat your beans.
But even better, don't eat this.
Can a vegan diet really help humans?
Yes. Dr. Dean Ornish did
a study with UCSF looking at men,
93 men with early prostate cancer.
The study group did a vegan diet,
moderate exercise, yoga, and relaxation.
After one year, the study group
had lower PSA only by four percent,
but those in the control group rose by six percent.
None of the men needed additional therapy,
whereas six of men in the control group did.
Interestingly, when they drew their blood and
put it on prostate cancer cells in the lab,
it inhibited the prostate cancer cells. Remarkable.
This is what he said, "This is
the first randomized trial showing
progression of prostate cancer can be
stopped or perhaps even
reversed by changing diet and lifestyle alone."
Are there any other studies
showing that a vegan diet can help?
Yes, one population studied probably the longest.
The Seventh Day Adventists a bunch in Lama Linda,
just about two hours from here.
In this 12-year study,
you have to understand that many Adventists are vegan,
but there's also vegetarians and meat eaters.
They're encouraged to the plant-based,
that they don't have to be plant-based.
Within the study, they were looking at
vegans to modest meat eaters.
Vegan females on average were living
nine years longer than average Californians.
Whereas men nine and half years longer than
average Californians and those who
ate nuts and seeds lived the longest,
slightly more than near vegans.
Again, have we seen that a plant-based diet
nutritionally in populations has
been shown to be beneficial?
Yes. Okay. Let's switch from cancer to heart disease.
I showed you this is part of the quiz.
What was going on in Norway during this time?
This is looking at heart attacks. What happened?
The Germans came in and
took all of the livestock so they didn't have their milk,
their butter, their cheese, or their
meat. Look what happened.
They Plummeted the amount of heart attacks.
What happened when the war finished?
They got their livestock back.
What else did they get back? The heart attacks.
To me, this is some of the strongest evidence that
what we eat absolutely affects our health.
Who wants an artery like this?
You don't want all this black in here,
and look how it's narrowing the vessel.
Dr. Esselstyn is
an endocrine surgeon at Cleveland Clinic.
He wrote this book, Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease.
Plant-based but also no oils
for people with very severe heart disease.
This is the program and the doctor with
whom Bill Clinton worked to get his health back.
I'll show you the cardiac NGO,
one of the anesthesiologists
and Dr. Esselstyn stones Hospital.
He was 49, exercise all the time, had a heart attack,
was told you can see the narrowing
here and he was told he needed
stance or a heart open heart surgery. He refused.
He knew about Dr. Esselstyn and his plans,
so he went on the plan and you
can see within two years he
completely reversed the plaque
and has a normal appearing artery.
This has been shown time and time again with Dr.
Esselstyn patient's, Dr. Furnishes patient's.
When you are plant-based and very low fat,
you can absolutely reverse plaque along vessels.
This is a quote from the doctor
heading the Framingham Heart Study.
We tend to scoff at vegetarians,
but they're doing much better than we are.
Vegans have cholesterol levels so low,
they almost never get heart attacks.
We've never seen anyone in the Framingham study have
a heart attack with a level below a 150.
We're going to talk briefly about Gary.
Gary had three heart attacks by the time
he was 52, worked out all the time.
In fact, he had a heart attack and dropped
dead while on the treadmill at the gym.
Luckily, the fire station was literally next door.
They came over and resuscitated him.
He had tremendously high cholesterol.
He was given the statins.
He had tremendous muscle pains
so he couldn't take them anymore.
He was then put on niacin.
He had an anaphylactic reaction.
That's a life-threatening allergic reaction,
so he couldn't take the niacin,
and his cardiologist said
there's nothing else I can do for you.
One of these days you're just going to drop dead.
Gary was very depressed and despondent.
His wife works with us.
She's one of the stenographers.
I gave her a copy of Forks Over Knives.
They watched it together and Gary said,
"Hey, wait, there's something I can do about
my life and about my health."
He gave up all meat and all dairies,
he has a little bit of salmon now and then.
He gave up all carbohydrates,
meaning the bad carbs,
the pasta, the breads,
the donuts, that kind of thing.
He feels and looks great.
His cholesterol was normal and
his lipoprotein profile is normal.
Instead of the bad B kind,
he's now converted his lipoprotein to A. It's great.
I like to joke that there's now
only one carnivore in this picture.
That's over here. Dr. Kim Williams
is now the president of
the American College of Cardiology.
He became plant-based in 2003.
Why? Because he had a patient who had elevated
cholesterol and he told her,
"You got to go on statins," and she refused.
She said, "Absolutely not."
She became plant-based and he
saw in front of his eyes and she cured herself.
Then he tested himself and said,
"Oh my goodness, I have elevated cholesterol.
He said, "Well, I know what to do now."
He did what his patient did and he became plant base.
It's great and he's been feeling great ever since.
Now, we're going to switch gears again and
talk about erectile dysfunction.
What is the number one cause of
erectile dysfunction in the United States?
If you listen to too much TV,
you're going to go with low testosterone.
What are some other things?
Psychological issues, obesity, prostate issues,
improper nutrition, low testosterone,
diabetes, trauma, and heart disease.
What is the number one cost?
Don't listen to the TV ads.
It's improper nutrition.
This is a busy slide, but bear with me.
Okay. The erectile dysfunction
really is the canary in the coal mine.
In this study, what they did is they looked at
men having a variety of problems,
Angina which means chest pain,
MI, which means heart attack,
chest pain or heart attack stroke, heart failure.
TIA is a mini stroke,
arrhythmia, first cardiovascular event
or death of any cause.
They asked how many of these men had
erectile dysfunction before they had their event.
Here are the numbers, the percentages,
whopping percentages.
In fact, nine different studies with 3800 men,
78-88 percent, the vast majority had
erectile dysfunction before the event
or their sudden death.
If you know anyone with erectile dysfunction,
their body is saying please help me.
My arteries are having
difficulty please fix my endothelium,
because if they're having erectile dysfunction they're
incredibly high risk of having some kind of an event.
We want to stop it when they had
the erectile dysfunction and not let them go on.
In fact, there's even a free book
on Amazon Diet And Impotence,
how your food choices are either causing or
preventing erectile dysfunction and infertility.
If you want to have a good time, what do you need?
Well, you have to have an intact endothelium.
That's the lining of the artery,
smooth muscle nerves and you got to have nitric oxide,
that's dynamite that gets everything going.
What do you want to eat to get the nitric oxide?
This is a photo from what the planet eats.
Anyone think this is an American table?
No, look at all these lovely veggies and fruits.
Yeah, so this is great for nitric oxide.
But look at the photo they took of
the typical American Table.
I defy you go ahead,
find a veggie and a fruit in there.
There's a grape and a tomato,
but other than that, it's pizza, meat,
meat, meat, meat, processed foods, dairy.
Is this going to give you the cascade you
want to cure erectile dysfunction?
This is the cause of it.
In fact, this doctor, this cardiologist,
he prescribes a vegan diet to improve sex life.
He says outside the need for emergency surgery,
I've never seen anything come close to the breadth
and depth of benefits that a plant-based diet provides,
says cardiologists Dr. Robert Ostfeld,
Yale- & Harvard-trained who runs
the Cardiac Wellness Program
at Montefiore Medical Center.
What foods are packed with a nitrates and
the antioxidants that make them
rush to convert to nitric oxide,
arugula, rhubarb, kale, swiss chard,
spinach, bok choy, and beats are at the top of the list.
Finish your diet off with grapes,
pomegranates, apples and green tea,
and you have a dynamite erotic potion that will
supercharge your endothelium both
in your groin and in your heart.
Over 400 years ago, Thomas Sydenham said,
"A man is as old as his arteries,"
so you don't want old arteries.
"Eat plants to protect your brain,
eat plants to protect your heart,
but also eat plants to power
your sexual life even if it seems hard at times.
What may seem hard will keep you hard."
[LAUGHTER] Now that's a great quote.
You got to love that. That's a great quote.
We're going to switch gears again
and talk about osteoporosis.
Is osteoporosis a big problem?
Yes, 50 percent of women and
25 percent of men over 50 will have a fracture.
Worldwide, almost nine million fractures
annually with a fracture occurring every three seconds.
I showed you this as part of the quiz.
These countries here have very high calcium intake,
but also very high hip fracture rate.
What countries are we talking about?
The United States, New Zealand,
Sweden, and the United Kingdom.
You think, how is that possible that we
have whopping dairy intake here?
But what are the other countries that you see down here?
Hong Kong and Singapore,
they're lactose intolerant are very little dairy intake.
Despite what you hear in the news and the ads,
hip fracture rates are actually highest
in the countries with the highest dairy intake.
We're brainwashed to drink your milk for strong bones.
That's the furthest thing from the truth.
When you see all these ads, Got Milk?
You don't want to read the ad.
What she really is trying to say is yes,
almond milk or oatmeal milk or hemp milk, not cow's milk.
You may be saying, why doesn't milk have calcium?
Yes, it does, but what happens?
The standard American diet causes much of
the consumed calcium to be lost in the urine.
Excess salt, caffeine, sugar,
and animal products leach calcium out of
the bones and promote urinary calcium loss.
You ingest it and then you lose it,
and you lose even more.
In contrast, vegetables, beans, fruits, nuts,
and seeds are rich sources of calcium and
other important minerals and do not
promote the urinary excretion of calcium.
Which foods are high in calcium?
Romaine, lettuce, bok choy,
sesame seeds, broccoli, kale, garbanzo beans.
The list goes on and on.
Your body will absorb
some 50 percent of the calcium and veggies,
but only a third of the calcium and milk.
Then because of the cascade of events,
you actually lose the calcium from your bones.
If you want to treat osteoporosis,
you want to eat plant-based foods.
How about diabetes?
Dr. Barnard has studied this extensively.
He's found time and again that a low-fat plant-based diet
leads to significant weight loss and
dramatic improvement in blood sugar,
plasma lipids, and blood pressure.
He says, all of this occurs in
the absence of any limits on carbohydrates,
calories, or portion sizes. Let me say that again.
This is not weight watchers where people have to
weigh their staff and they eat tiny little meals.
All of this benefit occurs in
the absence of any limit on carbohydrates,
calories, or portion sizes.
If the food is good for you,
you can eat as much as you
want and still get these benefits.
He says, in our studies and many others,
people with diabetes, weight problems,
lipid disorders, and other conditions
discover the power of throwing out meat, cheese,
and other animal products,
as they replace them with healthy beans, grains,
vegetables and fruits, weight melts away,
blood sugars fall and the need for medications drop.
For most people, hypertension,
diabetes, high cholesterol goes away within days.
What about auto-immune disorders?
There's a whole host of auto-immune disorders.
This includes multiple sclerosis, Crohn's disease,
rheumatoid arthritis, lupus,
what are they all have in common?
They're all auto-immune disorders. Guess what?
They all respond beautifully to a plant-based diet.
This is a woman I met.
This is before I met her,
she has sarcoid, which
is one of the autoimmune disorders.
She had so much pain,
had eight out of 10 pain daily,
never left her house,
was on all pain medications.
Then she became plant-based.
Look at her on a plant-based diet.
She's glowing, she's thinner,
she's active, she's living life to her fullest.
She became plant-based, got off all of her medications
including her inhalers, and is pain-free.
What about her eyes?
[LAUGHTER] Macular degeneration.
Is this a serious problem?
Yes, it's the leading cause of
blindness for folks over 65.
The damage is caused by excess free radicals.
If you think about a fireplace,
the little sparks coming out of the fireplace,
that's like a free radical.
If it lets it go out,
it could start a fire, so we don't
want those little sparks going out.
The damage to the macular is from the free radicals.
What they found in this study was
88 percent less macular degeneration
people eating greens five times a week.
When the folks said, "I don't want to eat the greens,
I'm going to do the supplements instead."
Vitamin C, vitamin E or vitamin A,
they found it was of no use.
You've got to eat the veggies.
If you want carotenoids.
Higher carotenoids, lower rate of macular degeneration.
You want to eat green leafy veggies, carrots,
and citrus. What about cataracts?
I thought you just get older, you get cataracts.
No. Instead of the blurry vision,
what they found is, is this a big problem?
Yes, 20 million Americans over 40 have cataracts.
Damage caused by what?
Excess free radicals.
This is a common thing.
Free radicals are bad throughout our body.
They cause inflammation and they cause disease.
What they found is that lutein is
the main component in our lens of the eye.
It's also the antioxidant in
spinach and the dark leafy green veggies.
What happens when you eat a lot
of dark green leafy veggies?
What they found is the folks in this study,
this Wisconsin study, the highest lutein consumption,
half the rate of cataracts,
and those with the highest spinach consumption,
40 percent fewer cataracts.
Yay, so eat our spinach.
What about dementia?
We're going to talk about this more
in the last segment of the talk.
But just briefly, Alzheimer's,
1 in 5 over 70 will have cognitive impairment.
Half of folks with cognitive impairment
will develop dementia in five years.
About 20 percent of Alzheimer's cases are
attributed to elevated homocysteine.
Homocysteine is a byproduct of methionine.
Where do you get the methionine?
From animal products.
The brain uses B12, B6,
and folate to get rid of the homocysteine.
But 96 percent of Americans don't
eat enough greens and beans to have enough folate.
Which side of the brain do you want?
If you're eating this,
you're heading towards this.
If you want to keep this,
you want to eat these,
the beans and the greens.
In fact, one study put folks on
a plant-based diet for just one week, just one week.
In one week alone, they saw
homocysteine drop by 20 percent.
Boom, one week, 20 percent drop.
That's remarkable. Just think
if you were plant-based all the time.
Let's switch to the second part of our talk,
which is talking about nutrients.
Let's be nutrient wealthy.
There's the good and the bad.
If you want to be plant-based,
you have to have B12.
You must take a B12 supplement,
absolutely key to take a B12 supplement.
Also important to check your vitamin D levels.
You want calcium but you want
it naturally through your food.
Folate, not folic acid.
Resveratrol and there's a lot of
information also coming out on probiotics.
In terms of the bad,
you do not want folic acid.
Yes, you want folate, but not folic acid.
If you're on a multivitamin check,
most multivitamins have folic acid rather than folate.
You can find ones with folate instead.
You do not want vitamin A, Beta carotene,
vitamin E, selenium, iron, copper, or salt.
What they found is supplements are not
just neutral, and many times, when you take supplements,
these kinds of supplements,
they actually can increase your risk of death.
What are the good nutrients?
Free radicals again, we've talked a little bit
about free radicals with Dr. Fuhrman has
found is that animal-based foods lack
antioxidant shields and tend to
activate free radical production and cell damage.
While plant-based foods with
their abundant antioxidants tend to prevent such damage.
What should we be eating?
He calls them G-bombs,
and we need to eat them every day.
Greens, berries, onions, mushrooms, beans, and seeds.
Within seeds, he includes nuts.
G-bombs. When he looked at 206 epidemiologic studies,
the consumption of raw greens was
the most consistent and powerful association with
reduction of cancers of all types including stomach,
pancreas, colon, and breast.
You really want to become
friends with the cruciferous vegetables.
Kale, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower,
watercress, bok choy.
These guys rock.
Why? When you increase
your regular veggie consumption 20 percent,
you decrease your cancer risk 20 percent.
But when you increase your cruciferous
vegetable intake 20 percent,
you decrease your cancer risk 40 percent.
It's twice the bang for the buck.
What about mushrooms?
These guys think of them as
the Arnold Schwarzenegger terminator for cancer cells.
These guys rock.
Why? They enhance
natural killer T cell function, getting rid of cancer.
They prevent DNA damage.
They slow tumor growth.
They cause programmed cancer cell death.
They prevent angiogenesis, meaning cancer needs to have
a blood supply so it chokes
off the blood supply to the cancer.
This has been shown for breast,
prostate, colon, and other cancers.
It helps dendritic cells,
think of them as spindly things that
catch cancer cells and microbes.
It helps prevent the decline in the number
of dendritic cells that we see with aging.
This next one I particularly like,
it helped stop the growth of fat cells.
Yay. That one gets a smiley face.
[LAUGHTER]
What about onions and garlic?
It reduces the risk of
all common cancers including colon,
ovarian, prostate, esophageal, and stomach cancer.
The stuff that makes you cry is the stuff you want.
It inhibits angiogenesis, again,
it doesn't allow the cancer to get a blood supply.
It detoxifies carcinogens and can
even be an anti-inflammatory for arthritis.
Pomegranates. I've just got to eat
more of these because these guys rock.
They are anti everything, antioxidant,
anticarcinogen, anti-inflammatory.
They help prevent cancer, diabetes,
cardiovascular disease, erectile dysfunction.
Who needs a little blue pill?
Just eat a pomegranate.
[BACKGROUND] It's great.
It helps prevent bacterial infections,
antibiotic resistance, and UV skin damage.
It lowers blood pressure,
prevents cancer especially breast,
prostate, colon, and leukemia.
It prevents platelet clumping,
so blood clots and atherosclerosis.
Reduces kidney infections.
One study showed heart patients
with severe blockages in their arteries,
they took one ounce a day
for one year of the pomegranates,
they had 20 percent less blood pressure
and 30 percent less plaque after one year.
Berries, you want to eat a lot.
They act just like the cruciferous vegetables.
They help transform the damaged DNA back to near
normal and reduce cancer at many sites.
What kind of berries? Any kind of barriers you want.
Black, blue raspberry,
acai, goji, elderberries, strawberries.
They're great. Very high in antioxidants.
Nuts and seeds. I hear some people saying,
"I can't eat nuts and seeds.
It's too high in fat."
The fat problem is
a problem only if the fat is coming from animals,
not if it's coming from nuts.
Study after study has shown for all populations,
genders and ages, as nut consumption increases,
death from all causes decreases.
What they found is that the overall lifespan increases.
Eat your nuts. This is not achieved with the oils.
You need to eat the actual nuts.
The last part of our talk is talking about being wise.
Exercise is better than Zoloft at treating depression.
This was in the New York Times in 2000.
But what about treating dementia?
This is part of the quiz. What is even more
disturbing and what virtually no one recognizes,
is that inactivity is killing our brains too.
Physically shriveling them.
This is my mom.
My mom got a degree in English and Library Sciences.
She actually had ADD or
ADHD before we knew what that was.
She was a librarian and English teacher.
She ran a pharmacy.
She worked as a circulating nurse for a while.
Well, she married my dad and they moved to Palm Springs.
You see, brings wealth of
cultures to life in Palm Springs.
My dad was an attorney and so mom was bored and she said,
"I think I'd like to go to law school."
My dad said, "Don't bother,
you could never pass the bar." [LAUGHTER]
[BACKGROUND] Well,
you don't give a challenge like that to my mom.
[BACKGROUND] Here she is
graduating from law school and there I am.
Is that with my dad?
No, that's the dean of the law school. [LAUGHTER].
She was a practicing attorney for many years,
she did crossword puzzles every day,
she could quote sonnets and do poetries incredibly smart.
Here she is with my daughter 11 months,
look at the bright look in her face and
then look at her seven years later.
I hope you can see the glaze look on her face,
the light has gone from her eyes and she has all timers.
Now she did have Alzheimer's,
she since passed but she was born in South America,
her parents were missionaries, so she played
hymns at church from five years old on.
It was very interesting,
she could play full hymns with
full chords but she couldn't remember our names,
her name, couldn't brush her teeth,
couldn't brush your hair or do
the activities of daily living.
This is the last picture of her,
she died after battling Alzheimer's for 13 years.
For me, personally, this is
the number one reason why
I am plant-based and why I try to
exercise everyday because I will do absolutely anything
to avoid this and have that impact on my daughter.
Luckily, found out about this book spark,
The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise in the Brain.
Physical activity sparks biological changes
that encourage brain cells to bind to one another.
I do not know about you, I want
my brain cells to bind to one another,
I want them to hold hands and hang on.
[LAUGHTER] Moving on,
muscles produces proteins that travel through
the bloodstream and into the brain where they play
pivotal roles in the mechanisms
of our highest thought processes.
Brain scans of exercising rodents: "Not only did
the running rodents show an increase in BDNF,
that's growth factor over
controls but the farther each mouse ran,
the higher the levels were."
The act of mice had
twice as many new stem cells in the hippocampus.
Now you may be saying, "What the heck is the hippocampus?
That sounds like hippopotamus."
Well, let's talk about that.
Here's a healthy brain,
here's an all timers brain and
this part here is what is associated with memory.
This is where the hippocampus is and look at
that same area in the person with Alzheimer's.
Alzheimer's causes decrease in brain volume, but
particularly, in the area for memory.
We really want brain cells everywhere,
but particularly, in the areas from memory.
Does exercise help?
Absolutely. It strengthens
the connections between brain cells,
it creates more synapses to expand connections,
it encourages new stem cells to divide
and become functional neurons in the hippocampus,
that's the area for memory.
It elevates the supply of
neurotrophic factors for
neuroplasticity and neurogenesis,
meaning you get new brain cells and you put miracle
grow on them so you'd make him grow and stick and stay.
Has this been shown in human populations?
Absolutely. In this study of 1,500 people in
Finland falling people for 21 years aged 65-79,
those who exercise at least twice a week had
50 percent less likely to develop dementia.
This was even more pronounced
for the folks that have the gene that
predisposes them to Alzheimer's, the APOE4.
When people come to recognize how their lifestyle
can improve their lifespan, living better,
not simply longer, they will at the very least be more
inclined to stay active and I added and eat good foods.
What kind of exercise you want to do?
The best is if you can do
aerobic exercise and have skill acquisition.
Basically, dancing where you
have to do more complex movements.
Dancing, yoga, rock-climbing, martial arts,
this kind of dancing, all of that is great.
Here's one of our former residents,
he's studying for his boards
while he's golfing multi-tasking.
[LAUGHTER] Basically, any exercise can help,
even walking five minutes a day can
help so get out there and exercise.
The American Heart Association calls these the Simple 7,
we are supposed to meet all seven.
No smoking, blood sugar under 100,
blood pressure less than 120 over 80,
being active 30 minutes five times a week,
cholesterol less than 200, weight,
BMI less than 25,
eating better: so food low and the bad fats, cholesterol,
sodium and sugar and food high in fiber,
veggies/fruit and lean protein.
What do you think? How many Americans
meet all seven? Any guesses?
Fewer than 1 in 2,000 Americans meet all seven.
[LAUGHTER] It's terrible, isn't it?
We got to get out there, we got to
eat better and we got to exercise.
We got some people you may be saying,
"Oh, I can't be plant-based, I'm an athlete."
Well, look at this couple,
they ran a marathon every single day for a year,
in fact 366 because
they wanted to be in the Guinness Book of World Records.
Yeah, and not only were they plant-based,
they were raw plant-based
and they ran a marathon every day.
[BACKGROUND] ESPN wrote this article,
"Football players go vegan never felt better".
Lutui failed a physical. He became vegan.
He says he is in the best shape of his life.
Impressed with the result,
his whole family is now going vegan.
Pro Bowler Foster believes he's creating a healthier,
stronger body that will make him a better
player despite all the warnings
and discouragement he hears.
For him, the bottom line is that he
doesn't feel good when the eats meat.
He is philosophical about the reason
people are so resistant to his new diet.
We're emotionally attached to food, bad food.
Think about every big event in
America, it's attached to food.
Christmas, thanksgiving,
birthdays, holidays, it's with the food,
that's why people feel so strongly about it,
they are emotionally attached to it.
This was on the cover of
the sports page in
the union tribune just about two weeks ago.
Vegging out at meal times
helps Chargers' Allen improve fitness.
When asked, "What is the main thing that's helped you
improve your game and improve your nutrition?"
He said, "Salad."
[LAUGHTER] You may be saying,
"I'm too old, I can't start this stuff."
Here's Dr. Horacio D'Agostino,
he left UCSD to become chair of radiology at Shreveport,
he found out about the China study in the book Sparks.
In his 60s he's became plant-based and
started doing races, triathlons, 5Ks, 10Ks.
He comes in first and second in his age group every race.
His son, a gourmet chef,
became plant-based as well and he
comes in first in his age group for every single race,
triathlon, bike race, running race,
you name it, and he's now
going to medical school, which is great.
So yes, you can absolutely start at any age.
This is the mom of one of my friends,
she started walking for exercise at age 60,
started running at 72,
she is the current USA record holder
for the fastest half marathon for 80 year old and above,
so get out there and exercise, absolutely.
How do you want to start?
Dr. Bernard, the diabetes expert says for
breakfast some choices include
oatmeal with cinnamon and raisins,
half cantaloupe, whole grain cereal with soy milk.
Pick a bunch of different milks,
there's oatmeal milk, ham milk,
rice milk, almond milk,
veggie sausage, tofu scramble.
For lunch; lentil soup,
split-pea soup or white bean chili
with crusty bread and steamed veggies,
pizza without cheese but with extra sauce and veggies.
Dinner could be a green salad and bowl of minestrone,
followed by angel-hair pasta with artichoke hearts,
seared oyster mushrooms and chunky tomatoes.
I don't know about you but sure sounds good to me.
[BACKGROUND] I encourage you
to do what I did to my husband.
Don't believe me, don't believe
anyone else, test yourself.
Test yourself day 1 and test yourself day 12,
going on a strict plant-based diet
and test the labs that are most important to you.
For instance, you might want to check
your cholesterol and I know that you are going to see
a dramatic drop if you have arthritis check
some of the inflammatory markers.
This is the book that we
used and this is what I use to convince my husband,
this is 12 Days To Dynamic Health.
What's great about this is it gives you
shopping list and recipes for the 12 days.
You know exactly what to buy and what to make.
Not happy the first week,
don't despair, you have detoxing to do.
It's just like withdrawing from caffeine and smoking,
you might have temporary fatigue,
weakness, headaches that can occur.
Gas? Yes, you're going to have some,
there's just no way around it, [BACKGROUND] it passes.
Your gut will get used to your new way of eating,
you're still going to have gas, but it will get better.
If you need more protein,
try nuts and seeds.
If you want more oil to feel
full try flax seeds and walnuts.
I can't cook to save my life,
so my husband and I eat out a lot.
Thai and Vietnamese are lactose intolerant,
so if you leave off the meat, it's basically plant-based.
We also love fast food,
Mexican, so chipotle, rice, beans,
guac, and veggies, boom,
we're out the door with a fairly healthy meal.
Then I get this a lot, "Well,
come on Meg, everything in moderation."
Really, everything in moderation?
Let's try somethings, let's see if you agree on this.
How about arsenic is that okay in moderation?
[LAUGHTER] How about lead, cocaine,
heroin, mold, really everything in moderation?
I encourage you to think about meat
and dairy in this list.
We want to really reduce our exposures to those.
Kaiser is already on board with this.
They have a whole pamphlet,
I have an example of one here,
instructing patients to be
plant-based because they've already
seen the benefits of it.
In the pamphlet, they tell the patients about
what is a whole food plant-based diet.
They tell them what the health benefits are,
they encourage them to do a 30-day challenge.
Going back to our quiz, what did we see?
That Dr. Campbell was looking at rats with liver cancer,
fed 20 percent protein versus five percent protein,
and what happened to them?
These rats died, these rats were fine.
Before you say, "Well, I'm just going to
reduce the amount of protein in my diet."
Remember, he was using milk protein.
He did not find these effects with plant-based proteins,
so it was only the animal-based proteins.
Here, the heart attack rate in
Norway during World War II, for me,
this is some of the strongest evidence that what we eat
absolutely impacts our health because as soon
as the war ended and they got their livestock back,
they got their heart attacks back too.
Want to have a good time?
Eat plants to power
your sexual life even if it seems hard at times.
What may seem hard,
will keep you hard.
For osteoporosis, don't be fooled by the ads,
don't drink your cow's milk to make your bones strong.
These countries with the highest dairy intake
have the highest hip fracture rate.
We want to be like these folks with not eating the dairy.
G-BOMBS, you want to eat them every day.
Greens, berries, onions, mushrooms, beans,
and seeds, and with the seeds we include nuts,
so eat them every day.
What is even more disturbing and what virtually no one
recognizes is that inactivity is killing our brains too,
physically shriveling them,
so we got to get out there and move.
Then which brain do you want?
If you're eating this stuff,
you're heading towards here.
If you want this brain and want to keep this,
again, you want your green
leafy vegetables and your beans.
Remember the study, just one week on
a plant-based diet decreased
homocysteine levels by 20 percent.
In conclusion, [NOISE] in
order for man to succeed in life,
God provided him with two means,
education and physical activity.
Not separately, one for
the soul and the other for the body,
but for the two together.
What these two means,
man can attain perfection, and who said that?
Plato. So we've known this for quite a while.
What are the eating recommendations?
Dr. Fuhrman says we need
at least six servings of fresh fruits a day,
concentrating on berries and pomegranates.
Eight servings of veggies per day.
Two servings at least from
the cruciferous vegetables and at least one raw.
We want a half a cup of beans and legumes a day,
one ounce of raw nuts and seeds a day,
large salad every day, Omega 3s,
and I added resveratrol and probiotics.
What do you not want to eat?
He says barbecued, processed, and commercial meats.
I would say all meats of all kinds,
that includes turkey, chicken,
and eggs, just so we're clear.
Fried foods, dairy of all kinds, soft drinks,
sugar, and artificial sweeteners, white flour products.
So overall, if you got to have
the bad food it should be
less than 10 percent of your diet.
If you're a woman eating 1,500 calories a day,
only a 150 calories should come from bad food.
I hate to tell you a 150 calories of
bad foods is a really tiny surfing [LAUGHTER] bad food.
This is the article from Scientific American,
the true cost of risky behavior.
They came up with this term,
a microlife. What is a microlife?
That you can get a half an hour,
30 minutes of your life,
you can get it back or you can lose it.
When the green, these are things that if you do them,
you get extra time to your life.
The first one exercise,
you exercise 20 minutes,
you get two microlives,
yay, you got an hour back in your life.
Fruits and veggies, you get a microlife,
so just one serving of fruits and veggies.
Alcohol drink, you get a microlife, you may be thinking,
"Yeah, I can do that,
awesome. I'll keep doing that."
Boom, subsequent alcohol drink,
you lose 30 minutes of your life.
[LAUGHTER] So be careful,
one alcohol drink, okay,
second one [NOISE] not so good.
Red meat you lose a microlife.
Smoking, absolutely, you lose a microlife.
Sitting more than two hours,
lose a microlife, being overweight.
In fact, in the article they said,
just one quarter-pound burger,
you lose a microlife.
So is that burger really worth it?
Get the veggie burger instead.
In closing, Dr. Campbell says, "Why be plant-based?
The possibility of death has been
holding steady at a 100 percent
for quite some time"
[LAUGHTER].
"I have often met people who use this fact to justify
their ambivalence toward health information
but I take a different view."
"I have never pursued health hoping for immortality.
Good health is about being able to
fully enjoy the time we do have.
It is about being as functional as possible
throughout our entire lives and avoiding crippling,
painful, and lengthy battles with disease."
I wish you all a long [LAUGHTER] and healthful life.
Thank you very much for your time
and attention, you've been wonderful.
[APPLAUSE]
Great, so we have about half an hour for questions.
In the blue shirt in the back.
I didn't hear the last part, what about
fish and then the last part you said?
Yeah, the pros and cons of fish.
Pros and cons of fish.
The problem with fish is that it's
an animal product and I
didn't have time to go through the various cascades.
But basically, all animal products increase IGF,
it's a growth factor.
What they found is that
by increasing your fish consumption,
you basically it's like any other animal product
and you increase your risk of cancer.
What I didn't realize again,
we've been brainwashed is you think, "Okay,
fish I needed my omega 3, so I need fish."
Do you know fish don't make omega 3s?
They don't make a single omega 3,
they just concentrate it.
Skip the middleman and go to the primary source,
algae, and that kind of thing.
There's all kinds of vegan sources of omega 3s.
You can even get them on Amazon.
Buy all the stuff, it doesn't taste bad,
I squeeze it onto a spoon every morning and eat it.
Fish also, depending on what kind of fish you
get very high in pollutants,
mercury, and other things,
so you are really doing yourself
a disservice eating the fish.
I don't know if you remember Michael Greger,
in his talk show that in the Mediterranean diet,
there's been no health benefit through eating fish,
that hasn't been borne out.
Whereas, the plants, the veggies,
eating the beans and
the grains has been shown to be beneficial.
In the hat. [LAUGHTER] The question was,
please tell me that chocolate and coffee are okay.
What are the other options?
What are the other?
Coffee has very high in anti-oxidants.
Then you just have to be careful
what you put in your coffee.
Plain black.
I've been doing almond milk in my coffee.
Many studies showing that a tiny anti-oxidants,
so coffee is fine.
The chocolate, you just have to be careful
what's in the chocolate and in particular,
milk chocolate, because that's got the milk back.
Luckily, even Vons and
stuff has got vegan chocolate if you will.
More and more places they have the dark chocolate.
If you go to places like Whole Foods,
you'll have whole shelves that you have to
sort through in terms of
which dark chocolate do you want.
But more and more,
if you have a sweet tooth like I do,
there are great vegan desserts,
as you can see from my rant back here,
there are tons of
really good vegan desserts. So I'm here to tell you that.
The good news is that, yes,
you can still eat your chocolate and
you could still have your coffee,
just be careful what else you mix in with them.
He said even modest amounts
of yogurt and cheese can be undesirable, yes.
Even stores like Vons,
if you look in the corners where they have the yogurt,
there's coconut yogurt,
almond milk yogurt, and soy yogurt.
There's a lot of not cow's milk-based yogurt.
Then you get the probiotics feature of
the yogurt without the problems from the animal products.
In terms of cheese,
there is great fake kale chip cheese,
that kind of thing, things that taste like Doritos.
If you want a pizza cheese,
I have yet to find a good fake pizza cheese,
it just does not exist.
So I'm sorry about that.
Cheese for me was the hardest thing to give
up and it didn't make sense to me why
until I found out that cheese goes to
our dopamine receptors just like cocaine and drugs do.
So when you eat a bite of cheese,
your little brain cells are going,
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it was so hard to give up the cheese.
Once I knew that I go, "Okay, that's why."
Unfortunately, it's hard.
Someone told me that Trader Joe's
has a great fake mozzarella,
I haven't tried it, so you might want to try that.
But in general, it's hard to find a good fake cheese,
but there are great fake sour creams,
fake yogurt, fake milk, fake creamers.
Just about all that other stuff.
Mayonnaise, there's great fake
replacements for all of that.
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