It's a scientific fact that the hormones of stress downregulate genes and create disease. Long-term effects.
Human beings because of the size of the neocortex, we can turn on the stress response
just by thought alone as I think about our problems and turn on those chemicals
That means then our thoughts
Could make us sick
So if it's possible, that our thoughts could make us sick then it is possible then our thoughts could make us well, the answer is absolutely yes
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Alright today's guest is a New York Times bestselling author and one of the most sought-after speakers in the world
He's lectured and given advanced workshops in more than 30 countries
Across five continents all with the aim of helping people better understand and unlock the power of their mind
His expertise is the intersection of the fields of neuroscience
Epigenetics and quantum physics and he's partnered with other scientists across multiple disciplines to perform
extensive research on the effects of meditation
Using advanced technologies such as epigenetic testing brain mapping with EEG s and gas-discharge
visualization technology. Through his work
He is endeavouring to help advance both the scientific community and the public at large as understanding of mind derived health
optimization, a topic he covered extensively in his groundbreaking book, You are the placebo.
His teaching has had such a profound impact on the way that people perceive a wide range of brain related topics around
Mindfulness and well-being that he's a faculty member at the quantum University in Hawaii the Omega Institute for holistic studies in New York
And the Kerr Paulo Centre for yoga and health in Stockbridge, Massachusetts
He's also an invited chair of the research committee at life University in Atlanta
As well as a corporate consultant where he delivers his lectures and workshops for businesses
So, please help me in welcoming the man who has appeared in such films as Heal, People versus the state of illusion and Unleashing creativity
The author of the recent book Becoming supernatural. Dr. Joe Dispenza
Thanks for being here
So, diving into your world and how you perceive the sense of self and
the way that you marry science to - the way that we form memories the way that we live in a perpetual state of
Reliving our past and things like that
It's really, really incredible and I want to dive into the whole notion of you sort of being a habitual
Construct like what? What is that? What is the habit of you?
Well a habit is a redundant set of
Automatic unconscious thoughts, behaviors and emotions that's acquired through repetition
The habit is when you've done done something so many times that your body now knows how to do it better than your mind
So if you think about it people wake up in the morning
they
Begin to think about their problems
Those problems are circuits, memories in the brain, each
One of those memories are connected to people and things at certain times and places and if the brain is a record of the past
The moment they start their day, they're already thinking in the past. Each one of those memories has an emotion
Emotions are the end product of past experiences
So the moment they recall those memories of their problems, they all of a sudden feel unhappy, they feel sad, they feel pain
Now how you think and how you feel creates your state of being. So the person's entire
State of being when they start their day is in the past. So what does that mean?
The familiar past will sooner or later be predictable future
so if you believe that your thoughts have something to do with your destiny and
You can't think greater than how you feel
Or feelings have become the means of thinking by very definition of emotions you're thinking in the past
And for the most part you're going to keep creating the same life, so then people grab their cell phone
They check their WhatsApp. They check their texts. They check their emails. They check Facebook
They take a picture of their feet. They post it on Facebook. They tweet something, they do Instagram
they check the news and now they feel really connected to everything that's known in their life
And then they go through a series of routine behaviors
They get out of bed on the same side. They go to the toilet. They get a cup of coffee
They take a shower, they get dressed, they drive to work the same way. They do the same things
They see the same people that pushed the same emotional buttons and that becomes the routine and it becomes like a program
So now they've lost their free will
To a program and there's no unseen hand doing it to them. So when it comes time to change the
Redundancy of that cycle becomes a subconscious program. So now
95% of who we are by the time we're 35 years old is a
Memorized set of behaviors, emotional reactions, unconscious habits, hardwired attitudes, beliefs and perceptions that function like a computer program
So then person can say with their five percent of their conscious mind. I want to be healthy
I want to be happy. I want to be free but the body's on a whole different program
So then how do you begin to make those changes? Well?
you have to get beyond the analytical mind because what separates the conscious mind from the
Subconscious mind is the analytical mind and that's where meditation comes in because you can teach people
through practice how to change their brainwaves, slow them down and when they do that
Properly they do enter the operating system where they can begin to make some really important changes. So
Most people then wait for crisis or trauma or disease or diagnosis, you know, they wait for loss
some tragedy to make up their mind to change and my message is why wait and and
You can learn and change in a state of pain and suffering or you can learn and change in a state of joy and inspiration
I think right now the cool thing is that people are waking up
that's
really interesting and where I found the
the deepest hooks into how powerful this can be for somebody is when you talk about trauma and you've talked about how
People experience a traumatic event, but they then basically rehearse it and how that then has this knock-on effect. So, what is that?
Why do people find it so hard to get past trauma? Well?
the the stronger the emotional reaction
You have to some experience in your life the higher the emotional quotient
The more you pay attention to the cause and the moment the brain puts all of its attention on the cause
It takes a snapshot and that's called a memory. So long-term memories are created from very highly
Emotional experiences. So what happens then is that people think neurologically within the circuitry of that experience and
they feel chemically within the boundaries of those emotions and
So when you have an emotional reaction to someone or something most people think that they can't control their emotional reaction
Well, it turns out if you allow that emotional reaction, it's called a refractory period to last for hours or days
That's called the mood. I say to someone. Hey, what's up think so I'm gonna move well, why are you in a mood?
well
I had this thing happen to me five days ago and I'm having one long emotional reaction if you keep that same
emotional reaction going on for weeks or months
That's called temperament. Why is he so bitter? I don't know. Let's ask him. Why is he so bitter? Why are you bitter?
Well, I had this thing happened to me nine months ago
And if you keep that same emotional reaction going on for years on end that's called a personality trait
And so learning how to shorten your refractory period of emotional reactions is really where that work starts
So then people when they have an event
what they do is they keep recalling the event because the
Emotions of stress hormones the survival emotions are saying pay attention to what happened
Because you want to be prepared if it happens again
Turns out most people spend 70% of their life living in survival and living in stress. So they're they're always
Anticipating the worst-case scenario based on a past experience and they're literally out of the infinite
potentials in the quantum field they're selecting the worst possible outcome and they're beginning to emotionally embrace it with fear and their
Conditioning their body into a state of fear do that enough times
Body has a panic attack without you you you can't even predict it because it's programmed subconsciously
So then you say to the person why are you this way?
And they'll say I am this way because of this event that happened to me
15 or 20 years ago and what that means from biological standpoint is that they haven't been able to change since that event
So then the emotions from the experience tend to give the body and the brain a rush of energy
So people become addicted
To the rush of those emotions and they use the problems and conditions in their life to reaffirm their limitation
So at least they can feel something. So now when it comes time to change you say the person why are you this way?
Well, every time they recall the event they're producing the same chemistry in their brain and body as if the event is occurring
firing and wiring the same circuits and
Settings the same emotional signature to the body. Well, what's the revelant behind that? Well your body is the unconscious mind
It doesn't know the difference between the experience that's creating the emotion and the emotion that you're creating by thought alone
So the body's believing it's living in the same past experience
24 hours a day seven days a week 365 days a year
and so then when those emotions influence certain thoughts and they do and
Then those thoughts create the same emotions and those same emotions influence the same thoughts
Now the entire person's state of being is in the past. So then
the hardest part about change is not making the same choice as you did the day before a period and
The moment you decide to make a different choice get ready because it's going to feel uncomfortable
It's going to feel unfamiliar. It's there's gonna be something so why does it feel so uncomfortable? Is it because of the the
neurons that fire together wire together
so I've there's like an
Easiness to that loop just because literally and you've talked very eloquently
about this the way that the neurons connect in the brain how rapidly I've seen you show footage of how
Rapidly those connections happen, which is pretty incredible
Is is that what makes it so?
discomforting for people I think that I think that the bigger thing is that we we keep
Firing and wiring those circuits they become more hardwired. So there you have a thought and then the program runs
but it's the emotion that
follows the thought if you have a if you have a
Fearful thought you're gonna feel anxiety the moment you feel anxiety your brains checking in with your body and saying yeah, you're pretty anxious
so then you start thinking more corresponding thoughts equaled how you
While the redundancy of that cycle conditions the body to become the minds. So now when it comes time to change
Person's steps into that river of change and they make a different choice in all of a sudden
They don't they don't feel the same way
So the body says well you've been doing this for 35 years
Well, you're gonna just stop feel suffering and stop feeling guilty and stop feeling shameful and you're not gonna complain or blame or make excuses
Or feel sorry for yourself long
The body's in the unknown so the body says I want to return back to familiar territory
so the body starts influencing the mind then it says
Start tomorrow, you're too much like your mother. You'll never change. This isn't gonna work for you. This doesn't feel right
And so if you respond to that thought as if it's true that same thought will lead to the same choice
Which will lead to the same behavior, which will create the same experience which produce the same emotion
I want to talk about that notion of
Give me a little more detail. We mean by the body becomes the mind or the unconscious mind. What do you mean by that exactly?
Well, those are two different things your body is your unconscious mind
in a sense if you're sitting down and you start thinking about
Some future worst-case scenario that you're conjuring up in your mind and you begin to feel the emotion of that event
your body doesn't know the difference between
The event that's taking place in your world outer world and what you're creating by emotion or thought alone. So most people then
They're they're constantly
reaffirming their emotional states
So when it comes time to give up that emotion
they can say I really want to do it but really the body is stronger than the mind because it's been conditioned that way so
The servant now has become the master and the person all of a sudden once they step into that unknown
They'd rather feel guilt and suffering because at least they can predict it being in the unknown
Is a scary place for most people because the unknown is uncertain people say to me. Well, I can't predict my future
I'm in the unknown and I always say the best way to predict your futures have created
Not from the known but from the unknown what thoughts? Do you want to fire and wire in your brain?
what behaviors do you want to demonstrate in one day the act of rehearsing the mentally closing your eyes and
rehearsing the action
the rehearsing the reaction of what you want or the action of what you want by closing your eyes and mentally rehearsing some action if
You're truly present. The brain does not know the difference between what you're imaging and what you're experiencing in 3d world
so then you begin to install the
Neurological Hardware in your brain to look like the event has already occurred
Now your brain is no longer a record of the past now
It's a map to the future and if you keep doing it priming it that way
the hardware becomes a software program and who knows you just may start acting like a happy person and then I think the
hardest part is
To teach our body emotionally what the future will feel like ahead of the actual experience. So, what does that mean?
You can't wait for your success to feel empowered. You can't wait for your wealth to feel abundant
you can't wait for your your new relationship to feel love or
Your healing to feel whole I mean that's the old model of reality of cause and effect, you know
Waiting for something outside of us to change how we feel inside of us and when we feel better inside of us
We pay attention to ever or whatever caused it
But what that means then is that from the Newtonian world that most people spend their whole life living in lack
Will hitting through something to change out their what do you mean the Newtonian world?
Newtonian world is all about the predictable
It's all about predicting the future
But the quantum model of reality isn't is about causing an effect the moment you start feeling
Abundant and worthy you are generating wealth the moment you're empowered and feel it
You're beginning to step towards your success the moment. You start feeling whole
Your healing begins and when you love yourself and you love all of life
You'll create an equal and now you're causing an effect
and
I think that's that the difference between living as a victim in
Your world saying I am this way because of this person or that thing or this experience
They made me think and feel this way when you switch that around you become a creator of your world and you start
My thinking and my feeling is changing an outcome in my life
And now that's a whole different game and we start believing more that were creators of reality. So, how do we go from?
Okay, I have this negative emotion. It's controlling my life. It's got me in this cycle of I think about this emotion
which triggers a chemical reaction which trains my body to feel that way which makes it easier more likely I will do it again and
so now I'm in this vicious line unconscious and it's unconscious right and you
You said does your thinking create your environment orders your environment create your thinking which I thought was really really interesting. So
how do we then go from that like
mechanistically
To begin this visualization process of something that's empowering its me in a different state. It's my future self
Is it meditation is it what does that look like if you're not being defined by a vision of the future?
Then you're left with the old memories of the past and you will be predictable in your life
and
If you wake up in the morning
and you're not being defined by a vision in the future as you see the same people and you go to the same places and
You do the exact same thing at the exact same time
It's no longer that your personality is creating your personal reality
Now your personal reality is affecting or creating your personality
Your environment is really controlling how you think and feel?
unconsciously because every person every thing every place every experience has a neurological network in your brain every
Experience that you have with every person produces an emotion. So some people will use their boss to reaffirm their addiction to judgment
They'll use their enemy to reaffirm their addiction to hatred to use their friends that we affirm their addiction to suffering
So now they need the outer world to feel something. So
To change them is to be greater than your environment to be greater than the conditions in your world and the environment
Is that seductive so then why is meditation the tool well?
Let's sit down. Let's close our eyes. Let's disconnect
from your outer environment
So if you're seeing less things is less stimulation going to your brain if you're playing soft music or you have earplugs in
Less sensory information coming to your brain. So you're disconnecting from environment if you can sit your body down and
Tell it to stay like an animal stay right here. I'm gonna feed you when we're done
You can get up and check your emails
You can do all your texts, but right now you're gonna sit there and obey me
So then when you do that properly and the you're not eating anything or smelling anything or tasting anything?
You're not up experiencing and feeling anything. You would have to agree with me that you're being defined by a thought, right?
So when the body wants to go back to its emotional past
And you become aware that your attention is on that emotion
And where you place your attention is where you place your energy?
you're siphoning your energy out of the present moment into the past and you become aware of that and
You settle your body back down in the present moment because it's saying well, it's eight o'clock
You normally get upset because you're in traffic around this time and here you are sitting and we're used to feeling anger and you're off
Schedule. Oh, it's 11 o'clock and usually check your emails and judge everybody. Well, the body is looking for that that predictable chemical state
every time you
become aware that you're doing that and your body is craving those emotions and
You settle it back down into the present moment. You're telling the body
it's no longer the mind that you're the mind and now your will is
Getting greater than the program and if you keep doing this over and over again over and over again over and over again
Just like training a stallion or a dog. It's just gonna say
I'm gonna sit and the moment that happens when the body's no longer the mind when it finally surrenders
There's a liberation of energy
We go from particle to wave from matter to energy and we free ourselves from the chains
Of those emotions that keep us in the in the familiar past and we've seen this
Thousands of times. In fact, we can actually predict it now on a brain scan. That's so interesting
Let's go a little bit harder on
Metacognition the notion that you don't have to believe everything you think I love the way that you talk about that. Hmm
Yeah, and we have a huge frontal lobe. It's 40% of our entire brain and
most people
when they have a thought they just think that that's the truth and I think one of my greatest
Realizations in my own journey was just because you have a thought it doesn't necessarily mean it's true
so if you think 60 to 70 thousand thoughts in one day and we do and 90% of those thoughts are the same thoughts as
The day before and you believe that your thoughts have something to do with your destiny
Your life's not gonna change very much
Because the same thought leads to the same choice the same choice leads to the same behavior the same
behavior creates the same experience and the same experience produces the same motion and so then
the act of becoming conscious of this process to
to begin to become more aware of
How you think how you act in how you feel? It's called metacognition
and so then
why is that important because the more conscious you become of those unconscious states of mind and body the
Less likely you're gonna go unconscious during the day and that thought is not gonna slip by your awareness unchecked
because your
It means to know thyself and the word meditation means to become familiar with
So as you become familiar with the thoughts the behaviors and the emotions of the old self
You're retiring that old self as you fire and wire new thoughts and condition the body into a new emotional state if you do that
Enough times it'll begin to become familiar to you. So it's so important
Just like a garden if you're planting a garden, you've got to get rid of the weeds
You got to take the plants from the past year and you got to pull them out the rocks that sift to the top that
Are like our emotional blocks they have to be removed that soil has to be tenderized and broken down
We have to we have to make room to plant the new garden
So primarily we learn the most about ourselves
and others when we're
uncomfortable because the moment you move into that uncomfortable state normally a program jumps in
When that program jumps ins because the person doesn't want to be in the present moment and engage it consciously
So when you teach people how to do that with a meditative process
Turns out that when they're in their life
They're less likely to emotionally react
they're less likely to be so rigid and believe the thoughts they were thinking they're more aware of when they go unconscious back into a
habit
and that is what starts the process of change and
So we have to unlearn
Before we relearn we have to break the habit of the old self before we reinvent a new self
We have to pre synaptic connections and sprout new connections. We have to unfired unwire and refire and rewire. We have to unmemorable
Body to a new mind into a new emotion like the program and reprogram that's the act and it's a two-step process
Yeah, I like the way that you call that out as an action
There was another thing that you said that I thought was really powerful about how insights themselves are essentially inert. They don't do anything
What what then do we do with an insight?
How do we take a breakthrough moment and make sure that it's not just a breakthrough moment
Like I guarantee people watching right now are having like a hundred aha moments for sure
That was definitely the case for me as I was researching you and when you said that I was like and that's the danger that
You have the AHA and then nothing. Yeah
Yeah
and that's it's a it is a danger because then people will will shrink back into mediocracy and they'll use the insight to
Excuse them from taking a leap. They'll say yeah, you know, I have a chemical imbalance in my brain. Yeah, my father was
Really overbearing he was a perfectionist. That's why I am the way
I am you know people they come up with stuff to to excuse themselves. The insight is
Actually giving them permission to stay limited and it's an amazing idea because they'll say to you
And they really want to get over their anxiety. But let's ok. Let's take your ex-husband. Let's put him in a straitjacket
Let's duct tape them and shoot them to the moon know what I mean. What are you gonna do now?
You still have to make those changes. And so then the person's enemy dies or they're
something shifts in their life
And that person's gone. They'll find another person to hate. This is just how we function as human beings. We just slide another
Reason to feel those emotions. So I think I think when people start to understand this, you know,
I think knowledge is power but knowledge about yourself is self empowerment. So how much of this is really learning to?
just bifurcate the world into there's negative emotions that have negative neuro chemistry associated with
and you said that in those states if you're living in a perpetual state of
stress hormones and things like that illness is like a step away and
Then just the other side of that is understanding but there's this whole other side of positive energy which happiness joy
Empowerment whatever that you know neurochemical cocktail is but that when you're on that side
Your immune system is more likely to function. Well, like is that
Just sort of bringing it down to like a really basal. Yeah, that's sort of one of the biggies
Well, let's talk about it in terms of survival or creation
As I said 70% of the time people live in stress and living in stress is living in survival now
All organisms in nature can tolerate short-term stress, you know a deer gets chased
by a pack of coyotes when it out runs the Coyotes it goes back to grazing and the event is over and
The definition of stress is when your brain and body are knocked out of balance out of homeostasis
The stress response is what the body and Nate Lee does to return itself back to order. So you're driving down the road
Someone cuts you off you jam on the brakes
You may give them the finger and then you settle back down and the event is over and boom now. Everything's back back to normal
But what if it's not a predator that's waiting for you outside the cave, but what if it's your coworker?
Sitting right next to you and all day long you're turning on those chemicals because they're pushing all your emotional buttons
When you turn on the stress response, and you can't turn it off
Now you're headed for a disease because no organism in nature can live an emergency mode for that extended period of time
It's a scientific fact that the hormones of stress down regulate genes and create disease long term affects
Human beings because of the size of the neocortex we can turn on the stress response just by thought alone
Which I think about our problems and turn on those chemicals
That means then our thoughts
Could make us sick
So if it's possible that our thoughts could make us sick. Is it possible that our thoughts could make us? Well, the answer is absolutely
Yes
So then what are the emotions that are connected to survival? Let's name them
anger aggression hostility
hatred
competition fear
Anxiety worry pain suffering guilt shame unworthiness the envy jealousy. Those are all
Created by the hormones of stressin and psychology calls them normal human states of consciousness
I call those altered states of consciousness
So then we tend to remember those traumatic events more because in survival, you better be ready if it happens again
that's an and in one's survival gene is switched on you could have ten really great things that happen to you in your day and
you just have one bad thing that happens and you cannot take your attention off that bad that that unhappy thing because
The survival gene is switched on it's really interesting
How does epigenetics come into play and all this like what's actually happening? You've talked pretty profoundly about?
Proteins and like really at a deep level how we're signalling to our genetics to create these kinds of changes
What does that actually look like? Well
epigenetics epi means above the gene and
Many years ago after the DNA helix was discovered by Watson and Crick
They said the blueprints of life, you know, all diseases are created from genes
it turns out less than 5% more like 1% of people on the planet are born with a genetic condition like type 1 diabetes or
Tay-sachs disease or sickle cell anemia the other 95 to 99 percent
Are created by lifestyle and by choices you can take to identical twins
Exact same genome one dies at 51. The other one dies at 85
same gene different environment, so
All of a sudden they said we lied
That was wrong. It's not genes that create disease. It's the environment that signals the gene that creates disease. Well, ok, but
That's not the whole truth too because you could have two people working side by side in the same factory
One gets cancer after being exposed to a carcinogenic for 25 years both working for 25 years
The other one has no cancer at all. So there must be some
internal order
That would cause one person to not get it while another one does
So is it possible then if?
The environment signals the gene and it does and the end product of an experience in the environment is called an emotion
Can you signal the gene ahead of the environment by embracing an elevated emotion?
We've done the research on this where we measured
7,500 different gene expressions in a group of people
it came to an advanced event for four days and we
Had them doing a seated meditation a walking meditation a laying down meditation a standing meditation and at the end of four days
Just four days
The common eight genes that were upregulated
two genes to suppress cancer cells and tumor growth
Two genes for neurogenesis the growth of new neurons in response to novel experiences and learning the gene that signals stem cells
To go to damaged areas and repair them the gene for oxidative stress was upregulated
We started seeing all these genes that are very very healthy to cause the body to flourish
Imagine if people were doing that for three months. We also measured telomeres the little
Shoestrings on the end of DNA that tell us our biological age. We asked people to
Do the work meditation five out of seven days for 60 days
Measure their telomeres that determine their biological age sixty days later
seventy four percent of the people lengthen their telomeres 40 percent
significant change twenty percent a very remarkable change
That means that they got a little bit of their life back if it lengthened by ten percent
They got 10% of their life back. That's incredible
Before I ask my last question tell these guys where they can find you online
Sure. My website is just dr. Joe Dispenza dot-com. You can follow us on Facebook Twitter Instagram
We're all over and then my final question. What's the impact that you want to have on the world? I?
think that
the end game for me is to empower people to
Such a degree that they realize that they need less things outside of them to make them happy
less things outside of them to regulate their moods and their behaviors and that they begin to use the kind of the power that we
All have access to and into really and to change the world to make a difference so that there's more peace
There's more homeless. There's more connection that we support and love each other and we serve better
and and I think that we have to start for the most part if everybody's working on themselves and
and
Trying doing their best to present the greatest ideal of themselves to the world. I think the world would be a better place. And so
That's my passion and I'm witnessing it happening now
The more than I ever thought I would was incredible Joe. Thank you so much for being here and amazing having you
Guys
Go watch this man's videos
They are some of the best explanations of what's going on inside the mind that I've ever come across
There were of several that I literally have people in my life that I'm going to force to sit down and watch these things
It's just incredible explanations of how you create yourself out of the things you do
Habitually the way that you think creates a feeling the way that you feel creates thinking that matches that and then you get in this
cycle and that coming down to that personality ultimately being a finite set of
patterns in your brain I think is really really
illuminating in terms of how we actually experience the world and
I think when people understand that that it's within your control that you don't have to believe every thought that you think that you can
step outside of that that you can leverage metacognition to think about your thinking and
Deconstruct and decide what you want to think about and start focusing on that and create an entirely different version of yourself that has new
Elevated feelings that's over on the side of the positivity empowering yourself
I think it's really incredible and he gets deep into the mechanistic stuff
Which I love you guys will not regret diving deep into this man's world. I think you will get some incredible revelations
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