AMAZING AMOUNT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU COMPARE THIS TO EVERY
OTHER INCIDENT SADLY THAT YOU HAVE COVERED OVER THE YEARS.
>>> TRUE. >> EARLIER I SPOKE WITH CAPTAIN
MARK KELLY, THE HUSBAND OF A SENATOR WHO WAS SHOT IN A MASS
SHOOTING IN 2011. THEY NOW ADVOCATE FOR STRICTER
GUN REGULATION. I BEGAN BY ASKING HIM THAT THE
WHITE HOUSE'S CLAIMS THAT NOW IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH OF
SUNDAY NIGHT'S SHOOTING THAT NOW IS NOT THE TIME THE TALK ABOUT
GUN REGULATION. >> WELL, I USED TO SAY THAT
MYSELF. BUT WHEN YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, THE
INCREASE IN NUMBER OF MASS SHOOTINGS AND 33,000 AMERICANS
DYING EVERY SINGLE YEAR ON AVERAGE FROM GUN VIOLENCE,
ANOTHER 100,000 PEOPLE GETTING SHOT, YOU KNOW, IF AFTER THE
BIGGEST MASS SHOOTING WE HAVE HAD IN MODERN AMERICAN HISTORY,
IF NOW IS NOT THE TIME, WELL WHEN IS?
>> DO YOU WORRY, THOUGH, THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T
LISTENING? >> YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE AREN'T LISTENING. >> THAT ARE IN SOME WAYS -- I
FELT LIKE WATCHING YESTERDAY UNFOLD POLITICALLY, YOU HAD THE
TRAUMA OF IT ALL, BUT POLITICALLY, GUN CONTROL
ADVOCATES WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THEMSELVES,
AND GUN RIGHTS ADVOCATES WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH
THEMSELVES, RIDICULING EACH SIDE, EACH OTHER, BUT NOT
TALKING TO EACH OTHER. AND I'M THINKING, BOY, THERE IS
A REASON WE COULDN'T DO IT AFTER SANDY HOOK AND THERE IS A REASON
WE CAN'T HAVE THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW.
>> WE DON'T RIDICULE ANYBODY. I AM A GUN OWNER.
WE TRY TO REACH ACROSS THAT AISLE IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT
THAT BETWEEN SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ADVOCATING FOR RESPONSIBLE
GUN LAWS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GUN GUYS, OFTEN RURAL, HAVE A
LOT OF FIREARMS. I HAVE STOOD ON TABLES IN THE
ATOMIC CAFE IN BISMARCK, NORTH DAKOTA AND TALKED TO THESE
PEOPLE, WHAT COULD KEEP COMMUNITIES SAFER THINGS LIKE
BACKGROUND CHECKS, GUN TRAFFICKING LEGISLATION, THESE
DON'T AFFECT THEM INDIVIDUALLY BUT THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD BY A
CORPORATE INTEREST THAT THIS IS AFFECTING THEIR RIGHT.
>> THE ARGUMENT BECOMES THIS, EVERY POLICY GOVERNMENT, I FEEL
LYING THE GUN CONTROL LOBBY -- I KNOW THE WORD LOBBY MAKES PEOPLE
ANGRY BUT ON THE GUN CONTROL ADVOCATES IT'S ALWAYS
LEGISLATION. IMMEDIATELY THE RIGHT IS ABLE TO
PUSH OFF LEGISLATION WITH TWO ANSWERS, ONE IS, WELL, IT
WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED THIS ONE. OR THE SECOND IS, BUT THAT
INFRINGES UPON MY RIGHTS. >> FIRST OF ALL ON THE IT
WOULDN'T STOP THIS ONE IT'S OFTEN HARD TO FIND ONE SINGLE
THING THAT WOULD STOP A SPECIFIC INCIDENT.
SOMETIMES THE BACKGROUND CHECK THING WOULD WORK.
OFTEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY IN STATES
THAT HAVE STRONGER BACKGROUND CHECK LAWS, THERE IS, WITHOUT A
DOUBT, THERE IS A LOT LESS GUN VIOLENCE.
AND STATES WITH WEAKER LAWS HAVE MORE GUN VIOLENCE.
THESE LAWS DO MATTER. I WOULD AGREE WITH THE ARGUMENT
THAT IT'S OFTEN DIFFICULT TO FIND A SPECIFIC SITUATION.
IN THE CASE WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN VEGAS THE OTHER NIGHT, HERE'S
A GUY WHO HAD SOME FORM OF AUTOMATIC WEAPON, WE DON'T KNOW
WHAT THE SITUATION WAS, MAYBE HE MODIFIED THEM, MAYBE HE HAD AN
ATTACHMENT THAT HELPED THEM FIRE IN AUTO.
IF YOU WOULD HAVE RESTRICTED THESE THINGS MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE
MADE THIS SITUATION LESS DEADLY. >> IS THERE EVER -- IT SEEMS AS
IF IN THE POLITICAL DEBATE HERE THE GUN RIGHTS SIDE WINS
BECAUSE -- THEY USUALLY WIN THESE DEBATES BECAUSE THEY MAKE
IT ABOUT THEIR FREEDOMS, PERSONAL FREEDOMS AND
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. IS THERE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT
IN THERE THAT WOULD PROTECT SOMEBODY FROM A NEIGHBOR WHAT IS
A GUN STOCKPILER? FROM A NEIGHBOR WHO IS WANTING
TO ACCUMULATE ALL OF THESE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS AND
POTENTIALLY WHILE THEY MAY NOT DO SOMETHING SOMEBODY ELSE MAY
USE THEM FOR NO GOOD. WHAT IS THE RIGHTS FOR SOMEBODY
THERE? >> WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHT IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO POSSESS A FIREARM.
ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME COURT DECISION DC VERSUS HELLERINGS
WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN A GUN TO PROTECT
YOURSELF IN THE HOME. AT THE SAME TIME IN THE MAJORITY
OPINION, ANTHONY SCALIA SAID THAT ALSO MEANS THAT THE
GOVERNMENT HAS A RIGHT TO REGULATE WHAT THATT THAT MEANS,
KIND OF GUN, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE IT.
SO WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THAT, AND WE SHOULD.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM TO PROTECT
THEMSELVES IF THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE.
BUT OTHER PEOPLE ALSO HAVE A RIGHT TO BE SAFE IN THEIR
COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, THE LIFE, LIBERTY, AND
PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS IS AT THE TOP OF THE CONSTITUTION.
WE HAVE A RIGHT TO THAT. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SAFE
COMMUNITIES. AND THEY CAN BE SAFER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE 33,000 PEOPLE DYING EVERY YEAR.
>> REALISTICALLY, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ANY ADVANCEMENT IN YOUR
CAUSE TO COME OUT OF THIS? >> WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING OVER
THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THREE BAD THINGS DON'T GET
PASSED HERE IN THE U.S. CAPITOL. THE CONCEALED CARRY RECIPROCITY.
SILENCERS, THE LEGALIZATION OF EYE LENSERS.
IMAGINE WHAT THAT PARKING LOT, THAT VENUE WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE
IF THIS GUY HAD A SILENCER, IF NOBODY OR FEW PEOPLE COULD HEAR
IT. IT WAS DEBATABLE WHETHER IT WAS
FIREWORKS TO BEGIN WITH. HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE
DIED IF HE HAD SILENCERS ON THESE WEAPONS.
>> WE WERE FIGHTING THAT. WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS
ADVANCING HERE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. POSITIVE LEGISLATION, YOU
KNOW, THAT WILL MAKE COMMUNITIES SAFER.
WE DO THAT AROUND THE COUNTRY. OUR ORGANIZATION, THE ONE THAT
GABY AND I START AMERICANS FOR RESPONSIBLE SOLUTIONS WE HAVE
HELPED PASS OVER 200 PIECES OF LEGISLATION IN THE STATES.
THIS PLACE HERE IN D.C. IS A LOT TRICKIER.
>> MARKCALY, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE.
UNTIL WE MEET AG