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>>> 30 PAST THE HOUR.
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, RUSSIA IS
ZEROING IN ON UKRAINE'S CAPITAL
AND OUR NEXT GUEST IS DESCRIBING
THE DPRULGRUELING REALITY OF
DAY-TO-DAY LIFE IN KYIV RIGHT
NOW.
IN A PIECE FOR "THE ATLANTIC," A
UKRAINIAN JOURNALIST VERONICA
WRITES, EVERY NIGHT I HOPE I'M
NOT NEXT ON PUTIN'S DEATH LIST.
PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE
SCARED OF WORLD WAR III.
I UNDERSTAND THE FEAR, BUT DON'T
UNDERSTAND THAT WORLD WAR III
MAY HAVE ALREADY ARRIVED?
VERONICA JOINS US NOW FROM KYIV.
VERONICA, IT'S GREAT SEEING YOU
AGAIN.
WHAT DID YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY,
WORLD WAR III MAY HAVE ALREADY ARRIVED?
>> I MEANT THAT THE THING IS, IF
WAR DOES NOT COME TO YOUR LAND,
DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S NOT
GOING ON ANYWHERE ELSE.
JUST LIKE I USED TO WATCH THE
HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE WAR IN SYRIA
AND THINKING, IT'S NOT MY WAR.
OR, LIKE, THE WAR IN GEORGIA WIN
ALSO THOUGHT, IT'S NOT MY WAR.
AND I DID NOT THINK ABOUT IT AT
ALL, MOSTLY. BUT THEN WAR CAME TO MY LAND,
BUT THEN WAR CAME TO MY LAND,
AND IT'S ANOTHER FEEL, THE
REALITY HAS DRASTICALLY CHANGED.
AND HERE IN UKRAINE, WE FEEL
LIKE THE WORLD WAR III ALREADY
STARTED.
THE THING IS, I THINK MR. ADAM
SCHIFF WHO WAS BEFORE ME, HE
SAID, ALL THE WEST CAN DO IS TO
KEEP SANCTIONING RUSSIA AND KEEP
PROVIDING WEAPONS TO UKRAINE.
YES, IT DOESN'T HELP UKRAINIAN
PEOPLE NOW, BUT IN, IT'S ALL WE CAN DO, HE SAID.
CAN DO, HE SAID.
I THINK THAT THIS IS LIKE THE
SAME AS NATO IS PROTECTING
ITSELF WITH A SHIELD, AND
EVERYONE ELSE ON THE OTHER SIDE
OF THE SHIELD IS NOT NATO'S
PROBLEM.
AND I THINK IT IS WRONG, BECAUSE
IF PUTIN GETS AWAY WITH IT, WHAT
HE DID TO UKRAINE, OTHER
DICTATORS WILL FOLLOW.
YOU WILL SEE A GREAT DIVISION OF
EUROPE, OF OTHER COUNTRIES,
AGAIN.
THIS IS WHY I THINK THAT WORLD
WAR III THAT HAS ALREADY
STARTED.
>> YOU KNOW, AND I'M WONDERING.
YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, YOU
KNOW, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS CAN
SEE THIS AND SAY, WELL, WE CAN
HELP THIS.
BUT THEY'RE THINKING OF THE
GREATER GEOPOLITICAL,
GEOMILITARY REALITIES.
BUT THE FACT IS THAT WHEN THE
WAR COMES TO YOU, AS YOU SAY,
VERONICA, YOU KNOW, IT CHANGES
THINGS.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU
KNOW, WHAT VALUES ON HUMAN LIFE
ARE THOSE THAT MUST BE
COMPLETELY RESPECTED AND SOME THAT, WELL, YOU GUYS ARE BEHIND
THAT, WELL, YOU GUYS ARE BEHIND
THE WALL AND YOU DON'T QUALIFY,
YOU KNOW?
>> MM-HMM.
I WOULD SAY THAT -- IN AMERICAN
MOVIES, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE
WATCHED HERE IN UKRAINE, LOVED
THEM VERY MUCH, IT'S ALWAYS THE
SAME THING.
FRIENDSHIP IS GOING TO WIN.
IF YOU HAVE FRIENDS, YOU'RE GOING TO WIN.
GOING TO WIN.
EVIL WILL BE PUNISHED.
HOWEVER, WHEN THINGS COME TO
REALITY, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT.
IT'S PEOPLE IN NATO WHO ARE
PROTECTED, WHO MANGDAGED TO GET
INTO NATO ON TIME, AND NOW THEY ARE REALLY PROTECTED BY THE
ARE REALLY PROTECTED BY THE
ALLIANCE, BY THE ARTICLE V.
AND THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE
NOT THAT IMPORTANT, BECAUSE ARE
NOT IN NATO, AND IT MIGHT BE OUR
FAULT, TOO, BECAUSE UKRAINE IS A
CORRUPT COUNTRY, AND USED TO BE
A CORRUPT COUNTRY, HOWEVER, WE
ARE TRYING TO FIGHT THE
CORRUPTION.
HOWEVER, I KNOW THAT OTHER
COUNTRIES ALSO HAVE CORRUPTION,
BUT THEY GOT INTO THIS ELITE
CLUB THAT IS NOW PROTECTED AND
DOESN'T WANT TO PROVOKE RUSSIA
IN IN ANY WAY.
AND I THINK IF THIS ELITE CLUB
DOESN'T WANT TO PROVOKE RUSSIA
IN ANY WAY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF
RUSSIA ATTACKS LITHUANIA NEXT OR
POLAND NEXT?
WILL THEY ALSO BE THINKING FOR A
MONTH OR LIKE, AT LEAST THREE
WEEKS BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING
THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY PROVOKE RUSSIA?
>> VERONICA, VERY QUICKLY, WHEN
WE SPREENLGT,OKE RECENTLY, I ASK
YOUR LOVELY GRANDMOTHER.
HOW IS SHE.
HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING?
>> VERY EMOTIONAL.
WE HAD A FIGHT RECENTLY, BECAUSE
SHE WAS ASKING US TO LEAVE AND
LEAVE HER BEHIND AND THEN SHE
FELT SICK BECAUSE THERE IS LIKE
A SHORTAGE OF MEDICINE SHE
NEEDS, BUT NOW SHE'S OKAY.
SHE'S AT HOME, BECAUSE WE HAVE
48-HOUR CURFEW RIGHT NOW, AS OUR
AUTHORITIES HAVE TOLD US THAT
THE VERY DANGEROUS APPROACH TO
THE CITY.
THAT'S ALL WE KNOW FOR NOW, BUT
MY GRANNY IS A STRONG WOMAN. SHE WAS BORN IN THE YEAR WHEN
SHE WAS BORN IN THE YEAR WHEN
THE WORLD WAR II AND SO SHE SAYS
THAT THE OLDER YOU ARE, THE
EASIER IT IS TO BEAR WHAT'S