PERSONS PATH FOR CITIZENSHIP,
THEY WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR
SOMETHING BIGGER.
NEIL: THANK YOU, CHAD, SORRY TO
JUMP ON YOU.
KEN BRACWELL, TRUMP CONFIDANTE,
NATIONAL TAXPAYERS UNION AND
CAMPUS REFORM CABOT PHILLIPS.
THE PRESIDENT CONFUSED PEOPLE, I
MIGHT SIGN IT, I MIGHT NOT SIGN
IT THAT COULD CHANGE BEFORE HE
TAKES THE PODIUM.
BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I WON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING
UNTIL I SEE THE PRESIDENT SAYING
SOMETHING FROM THE PODIUM TODAY.
THIS COULD BE WANTING TO APPEARS
THE BASE, THIS WAS NOT EASY
DECISION.
THIS WAS NOT POPULAR MOVE FOR
CONSERVATIVE BASE.
IT DID NOTHING TO CHANGE THE
FUNDING OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
VERY MINIMAL FUNDING FOR THE
BORDER WALL, NO PATTER WHAT
REPUBLICANS SPIN THIS AS THIS IS
NOT ENOUGH FUNDING FOR BORDER
WALL.
THIS IS BIG GOVERNMENT AND
SWAMPY BILL FROM TRUMP
SUPPORTERS.
HIM WAFFLING THIS, SHOWING I AM
NOT EASY TO DO.
I HAD TO STAND FIRM.
TRYING TO SIGN THIS.
APPEASING THE BASE HE WAS
WILLING TO STAND UP A LITTLE BIT
BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK THIS WAS
MOVE THE REPUBLICANS KNOW
MIDTERMS COMING UP.
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS REFLECT
POORLY ON PARTY IN POWER AND IT
WOULD LOOK POORLY ON THEM.
NEIL:
>> I WILL TALK QUICKLY, NEIL.
HERE IS THE OMNI.
CHAD IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS IF
THIS OMNI DOESN'T GET SIGNED
INTO LAW WE GET A WORSE DEAL.
NOW IT IS TRUE THAT THE OMNI IS
NOT GREAT CONSERVATIVE BILL.
THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH SPENDING
BILL.
NOT A LOT OF PRIORITIES WE'LL
GET TUCKED AWAY.
THAT IS BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAD TO
BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE TO GET
THIS THING OVER THE LINE.
BE CLEAR SHUTDOWNS ONE CLASS OF
PEOPLE ONLY, THAT IS
POLITICIANS.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T LIKE
THEM.
THE AMERICAN ECONOMY CERTAINLY
DOESN'T.
MARKETS DON'T LIKE THEM AS YOU
DISCUSSED EARLIER.
POLITICIANS WERE GRANDSTANDING
FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN THEIR
POLITICAL GAIN ONLY BENEFIT FROM
A SHUTDOWN.
THIS IS TRUE IN 2013.
IT IS TRUE WHEN THE DEMOCRATS
TRIED TO SHUT DOWN OVER DACA AS
WELL.
NO-WIN SITUATION FOR THIS BILL
NOT TO GET SIGNED INTO LAW.
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THE BILL
NEEDS TO GET SIGNED INTO LAW AND
PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS NEED TO
WORK FOR THINGS FOR THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE LIKE TAX REFORM BILL.
LET'S STOP TAKING OUR EYE OFF
THE BALL AND FOCUS ON THINGS
THAT MATTER TO AMERICANS, HIGHER
PAYCHECKS AT HOME, KEEPING MORE
OF THEIR OWN PAY AND INVEST IN
VEHICLES THAT ALLOW THEM TO HAVE
SAVINGS OVER TIME.
ALL THINGS WERE INTRODUCED BY
THE TAX BILL.
LIKE TO KEEP THE PRESIDENT KEEP
HIS EYE ON THE BALL THERE,
INVARIABLY, KEN, THE PRESIDENT
TWEETS SOMETHING ELSE, MIGHT BE
PERFECTLY JUSTIFIED IN HIS EYES
BUT GETS YOUR EYE OFF THE BALL
CONSTRUCTIVE THINGS WITH THE TAX
CUT AND STEPS ON HIS OWN
OTHERWISE GOOD MESSAGE.
WHAT YOU DO THINK.
>> AS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE
NATIONAL TAXPAYERS UNION AND THE
CLUB FOR GROWTH, THIS BIG
SPENDING BILL IS A REAL
DISAPPOINTMENT.
I'M USED TO THE CHICKEN LITTLE,
THE SKY IS GOING TO FALL IF IN
FACT WE STOP GOVERNMENT FOR A
COUPLE DAYS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'M ONE OF
CHEERLEADERS WHEN THESE GUYS ARE
IN SESSION THEY DO MORE HARM
THAN WHEN THEY'RE OUT OF
SESSION.
LOOK, I ACTUALLY THINK WE HAVE
TO BEGIN, CONTINUE TO LOOK AT
THE CORRELATION, YOU INCREASE
THE DEBT, YOU ACCELERATE
SPENDING, YOU IN FACT IMPACT IN
A NEGATIVE WAY THE BENEFITS THAT
YOU HAVE FROM ECONOMIC GROWTH
AND JOB CREATION.
THIS IS A, THIS IS REALLY A BAD
DEAL.
THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE ENGAGED
THIS PRESIDENT IN THE
CONVERSATION, AND IN THE
NEGOTIATIONS, MY CONCERN IS THAT
WHEN YOU GO UP ON THE SCREEN THE
AMOUNT OF THE WALL THAT IS
IMPACTED BY $1.6 BILLION BE
GIVEN ENORMITY OF THE CHALLENGE
HE IS WAY OFF TARGET THERE IN
TERMS OF WHAT HE PROMISED.
THERE ARE THOSE OF US IN HIS
CAMP THAT HAVE TO CONSTANTLY
PUSH BACK WHEN WE THINK THINGS
ARE GOING IN THE WRONG
DIRECTION.
THIS IS A BIG GOVERNMENT
SPENDING BILL AND WE JUST HAVE
TO ACCEPT IT.
NOW IF HE IS NEGOTIATING BEHIND
THE SCENES AND HE IS GOING TO
GET SOME ADDITIONAL BENEFITS, MY
CONCERN ABOUT THAT IS THAT
THAT'S ADD-ONS, INCREASES
SPENDING.
IT DOESN'T, IT INCREASES THE
DEFICIT.
LOOK, THIS --
NEIL: I DON'T THINK HE IS
WORRIED ABOUT THE DEFICIT.
HE IS NOT, HE IS NOT JUST A NUT
ABOUT THAT.
HE IS NOT ABOUT THE DEBT
COMMISSION STUFF AND ALL THAT.
I COULD BE WRONG.
I JUST DON'T THAT IS A PRIORITY
FOR HIM AND HISTORY INDICATED
THAT.
>> NEIL, I THINK YOU SHOW SOME
CONCERN FOR THE DEFICIT BY
SAYING LOOK, WE ARE GOING TO
HOLD SPENDING.
NEIL: HE DOESN'T.
HE IS NOT HOLDING SPENDING.
REPUBLICANS THEY RUN THE TOWN,
AND THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT.
>> THAT IS A CONCERN.
LOOK I'M WITH DIANE BLACK ON
THIS.
I THINK HER BUDGET THAT PASSED,
THERE WAS INFLUENTIAL IN THE
HOUSE, WITH THE RIGHT DIRECTION
TO GO.
LOOK, WE CAN NOT ACT AS IF WE'RE
THERE JUST TO BE YES MEN AND YES
WOMEN.
WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE
SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT
SERVE THE PRESIDENT AND HIS
AGENDA WELL.
NEIL: ALL RIGHT.
NOW WE'RE GETTING A BETTER IDEA.
I THINK THAT BIG PILE OF PAPER
YOU SAW TO THE LEFT OF THE
PODIUM THERE WHERE THE PRESIDENT
WILL SPEAK, WILL NOT BE IN THE
BRIEFING ROOM.
THEY WILL MAKE THIS QUICK
ANNOUNCEMENT, WON'T BE A
PRESIDENTIAL PRESSER PER SE.
THAT IS THE SPENDING MEASURE,
ALL 2200 PLUS PAGES OF IT.
HE WILL GRUDGINGLY SIGN IT BUT
DOESN'T LIKE IT.
BUT THAT IS JUST THE LATEST WE
HAVE.
BUT YOU KNOW, CABOT, THIS IS THE
LATEST THING WE TALK ABOUT.
10 TOUCHED ON IT DID MATTIE, NO
ONE LIKES THIS BUT THEY'RE
SAYING IT WILL AVOID A
GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN, ET CETERA,
FOR YOUR GENERATION, YOUNG
PEOPLE ARE GOUGED.
KEN AND I JUST COME UNDER THE
ROPE FOR THIS ONE, THAT OUR
SOCIAL SECURITY LOOKS OKAY AND
EVERYTHING ELSE BUT CABOT, HATE
TO BREAK IT TO YOU, YOU'RE OUT.
YOU'RE OUT.
LOOKS LIKE MATTIE'S OUT.
THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS GOING
TO BE.
>> YOU BETTER INCLUDE ME IN
THAT.
DON'T CALL ME OLDER THAN CABOT.
NEIL: I HOPE YOU CAN DEAL WITH
THAT BECAUSE BOTH PARTIES
ABANDONED ANY SENSE OF FISCAL
DISCIPLINE TO HELP OUT GUYS LIKE
YOU AND MATTIE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?
>> I WAS AT THE WHITE HOUSE
YESTERDAY WITH LEADERSHIP
INSTITUTE CAMPUS REFORM WITH A
GROUP OF MILLENIALS TALKING TO
THE PRESIDENT ABOUT ISSUES
IMPORTANT TO US.
ONE OF THE COMMON THEMES KEPT
COMING UP TALKING TO OTHER
MILLENIALS IN THE ROOM, WE'RE
WORRIED ABOUT THE BUDGET, WE'RE
WORRIED ABOUT THE DEBT THAT
WE'RE GETTING INTO BECAUSE WE'LL
PAY FOR IT.
THAT ISSUE CAN'T COMING UP.
NEIL: DID HE SAY I CAN'T BE
BOTHERED, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR
YOU WHINING?
>> MUCH OF THE TALK PRESIDENT
CRISIS.
>> NOT THE BUDGET.
NOT THE DEFICIT.
NOT THE DEBT.
>> THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION
ABOUT THE BUDGET, NOT FOR LACK
OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM CARING.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
REMIND YOUNG PEOPLE THIS DEBT
WILL BE PASSED OFF ON TO US.
ALSO WHEN YOU GET BACK TO THE
BILL ITSELF, NOT JUST WHAT'S IN
THIS SPENDING BILL.
ALSO HOW IT WAS PASSED.
WHEN THE DEMOCRATS TRIED TO PUSH
THROUGH OBAMACARE, WE'LL PASS IT
NOW, WE'LL READ LATER, MAKE SURE
WE GET IT THROUGH, REPUBLICANS
WERE MAD, RIGHTFULLY SO.
SAME THING WITH THIS, 2,000 SOME
ODD PAGE BILL.