PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION NOT ONLY
FAILED BUT MAY HAVE FAILED IN
WAY THAT COST LIVES.
WE’RE JOINED NOW BY JOAN WALSH
NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT FOR THE
NATION.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU, ARI.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> I WANT TO GET TO SEVERAL
PIECES OF THIS BUT I FOUND YOU
TO BE RIGHT IN THAT COMMON SENSE
MIDDLE GROUND.
VERY INFORMED AS A JOURNALIST BUT THINKING THESE THINGS
BUT THINKING THESE THINGS
THROUGH AS A HUMAN BEING.
THERE IS GOOD NEWS.
IT IS GOING WELL.
THE CDC DIRECTOR WE IGNORE HER
WARNINGS.
>> I WAS VERY MOVED WATCHING
THAT TODAY.
ET MADE ME RESOLVE TO BE MORE
CAREFUL.
IT’S IMPORTANT WE HAVE BOTH.
MOST PEOPLE WILL BE VAK SI FLATC
FAIRLY SOON.
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE THOUGHT IN
JANUARY OR AS LATE AS FEBRUARY.
IT GIVES ME HOPE AND THE
CAPACITY TO KEEP WEARING MY MASK
AND NOT DO ANYTHING STUPID.
I DON’T KNOW HOW IT WORKS FOR
OTHER PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT BOTH MESSAGES ARE
PROFOUNDLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE
SHE’S RIGHT.
NUMBERS ARE GOING UP IN NEW
YORK, IN NEW YORK CITY AND NEW
YORK STATE.
MICHIGAN IS REALLY SCARY.
WE HAVE TO KEEP TELLING BOTH
STORIES.
>> YEAH.
AS FOR THE OTHER STORY I
MENTIONED WHICH IS YOU CAN SEE A
LITTLE BIT.
DON’T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
SEVEN OUT OF TEN AMERICANS ARE
LOOKING UP AND GOING, HUH, COVID
WITH THIS PRESIDENT.
COVID WITH THAT LAST PRESIDENT.
BOTH BIG CHALLENGES.
YOU CAN’T BLAME A PANDEMIC ON
ANY PERSON OR POLITICIAN,
OBVIOUSLY.
IT SEEMS MOST AMERICAN,
INCLUDING A HECK OF A LOT OF
REPUBLICANS SEE THE NEW
PRESIDENT IS HANDLING IT BETTER
THAN THE LAST ONE.
HERE IS SOME OF THE REASONS WHY.
THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTING
FORMER CDC DIRECTOR SAID
POLITICAL MEDDLING WITH VERY
IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE THE
MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY WEEKLY
REPORTS WERE A PROBLEM AND WHEN
EVEN FURTHER AT TIME REPORTED
UNDER TRUMP.
TAKE A LISTEN HERE TO DR. BIRX.
>> THERE WERE ABOUT 100,000
DEATHS THAT CAME FROM THAT
ORIGINAL SURGE.
ALL OF THE REST OF THEM, IN MY
MIND, COULD HAVE BEEN PLIT
GAITED OR DECREASED
SUBSTANTIALLY IF WE TOOK THE
LESSONS WE HAD LEARNED FROM THE
MOMENT.
THAT’S WHAT BOTHERS ME EVERY
DAY.
>> JOAN, THE DOCTOR SPEAKS
DIPLOMATICALLY OR PERHAPS
POLITICALLY.
I’M GOING TO TRANSLATE FOR YOUR
RESPONSE.
THE MEANING OF THE WORD SHE SAID
IS THAT SHE MEDICALLY VIEWS THE
BULK OF THE LATER COVID DEATHS
AS HAVING BEEN AVOIDABLE IF
PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN’T FAIL SO
BADLY.
YOUR THOUGHTS.
>> I HAVE HARD TIME WITH THIS,
ARI.
I’M DPLADGLAD SHE SAID IT TO SAN
GUPTA.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT IF SHE
SAID IT A YEAR AGO.
A YEAR AGO SHE WAS REASSURING US
THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD FANTASTIC
MASTERY OF THE DATA AND
SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AND BECAUSE
HE WAS SUCH A SUCCESSFUL
BUSINESSMAN HE WAS REALLY GOOD
AT THAT STUFF.
WE KNEW THAT WAS A LIE THEN.
WE REALLY DID OR MOST OF US DID.
IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE LIE.
SHE WENT ON STANDING NEXT TO
HIM.
SOMETIMES SHE LOOKED SHEEPISH.
THAT SHOT OF HER THE DAY HE
TALKED ABOUT INJECTING BLEACH.
SHE WAS DEFINITELY NOT LOOKING
HER BEST.
I FIND IT HARD AND FIND HARD TO
LISTEN TO DR. REDFIELD AS WELL.
I REALLY THINK THAT IF A LOT OF
THESE PEOPLE, IF NOT ALL OF
THEM, HAD RESIGNED THAT WOULD
HAVE HAD A BIGGER IMPACT THAN
WHAT THEY ARE SAYING NOW.
I LET DR. FAUCI OFF THE HOOK A
LITTLE BIT BECAUSE A, I DO
BELIEVE IT SWROULD BEEN WORSE IF
HE WERE GONE FOR SURE.
B.
HE WAS BEING MORE HONEST WITH
US.
HE WAS RISKING HIS HIDE TO TELL
US THE TRUTH AS BEST HE COULD.
FAR BETTER, FAR MORE ACCURATELY
THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
I WATCHED THE SANJAY GUPTA
SERIES OF INTERVIEWS WITH
MOUNTING RAGE, TO BE LONS WITH
YOU.
THESE PEOPLE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING
ON AND THEY DIDN’T TELL US.
>> YEAH.
I’M SURE YOU’RE NOT THE ONLY ONE
THAT WATCHED IT WITH, AS KBROUTY
IT, RAGE.
THOSE PEOPLE WERE IN THE ROOM.
THEY ARE NOW ADMITTING THEY KNEW
BETTER THEN WHEN THE LIVES WERE
ONLINE, JEAN.OAN.
>> THESE ARE NOT POOR PEOPLE.
THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE HANGING BY
A THREAD WHO COULDN’T HAVE BEEN
UNEMPLOYED FOR A WHILE.
THEY PROBABLY COULD HAVE GOTTEN
A BOOK DEAL.
IT WAS REALLY COWARDICE FOR MOST
OF THEM TO BE, TO BE HONEST.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE CALLED
THAT.
>> FACTS.
IF I’M NOT MISTAKEN, WHAT DO I
KNOW, BUT IF I’M NOT MISTAKEN,
YOU DID CALL IT COWARDICE ON TV.
>> I THINK I DID.