ANOTHER WAY TO SAY THAT -- IT
POSED A GRAVE THREAT TO AMERICAN
DEMOCRACY.
>> IT ALSO, JOE, SHED SOME NEW
LIGHT ON THE TIMING OF
WIKILEAKS’ RELEASE OF EMAILS
THAT BELONGED TO CLINTON
CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN JOHN PODESTA.
THE REPORT FINDS THIS -- "AT
APPROXIMATELY 4:00 P.M. ON
OCTOBER 7, THE "WASHINGTON POST"
RELEASED THE "ACCESS HOLLYWOOD"
TAPE.
WITNESSES INVOLVED IN TRUMP’S
DEBATE PREPARATION RECALLED THAT
THE TEAM FIRST HEARD OF THE TAPE
ABOUT AN HOUR PRIOR TO ITS
PUBLIC RELEASE.
NEWS OF THE RELEASE ALSO MADE
ITS WAY TO ROGER STONE."
THE REPORT GOES ON -- "STONE
WANTED THE PODESTA STUFF TO
BALANCE THE NEWS CYCLE, EITHER
RIGHT THEN, OR AT LEAST
COINCIDENT," EVEN TELLING HIS
CONFIDANTE, "HAVE WIKILEAKS DROP
THE PODESTA EMAILS IMMEDIATELY."
30 MINUTES AFTER THE "ACCESS
HOLLYWOOD" TAPE WAS RELEASED,
WIKILEAKS RELEASED THE EMAILS.
SO THERE YOU GO, JOHN HEILEMANN,
A TIMELINE WE BASICALLY KNEW
FROM THE MUELLER REPORT, BUT
AGAIN, A SENATE INTEL COMMITTEE
CONFIRMING A LOT OF WHAT’S IN
THE MUELLER REPORT, BUT AS BEN
WITTES SAYS, EVEN GOING FURTHER
IN SOME PLACES.
>> RIGHT.
AND WE’RE DOING THE THING THIS
MORNING OF, LIKE, HOW WE’D LIKE
TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE
THINGS IN THE IDEAL WORLD, ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT THIS REPORT
ILLUSTRATES REALLY VIVIDLY IS
HOW MUCH THIS CONVERSATION OVER
TIME HAS BEEN POLLUTED BY THE
USE OF WORDS LIKE COLLUSION,
WORDS THAT DON’T HAVE ANY LEGAL
CONSEQUENCE BUT HAVE,
PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY’VE BEEN
DEPLOYED FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES
BY PEOPLE LIKE BILL BARR AND
OTHERS.
AND YESTERDAY, MARCO RUBIO DID
THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW, DID A
VIDEO.
AND AFTER RELEASING THIS
DEVASTATING REPORT THAT HAS HIS
NAME ON IT, RELEASES A VIDEO
THAT SAYS, THIS REPORT PROVES
CONCLUSIVELY THAT THERE WAS NO
COLLUSION BETWEEN THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN AND THE RUSSIANS.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO THINK ABOUT
THAT -- THE ONLY WAY TO THINK
ABOUT THAT IS, LIKE, DUDE, YOU
OBVIOUSLY DON’T KNOW WHAT EITHER
OF THESE -- EITHER THESE WORDS
ARE MEANINGLESS, OR YOU DON’T
KNOW WHAT THESE WORDS MEAN,
BECAUSE --
>> THIS IS CRAZY.
>> BY ANY LAYMAN’S DEFINITION,
BY ANY WEBSTER’S DEFINITION,
COLLUSION IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS
REPORT HAS DEMONSTRATED.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT
WE ARE -- I HAVE SOME VISITORS
HERE -- I THINK THAT WE’RE
LOOKING AT THIS THING SAYING
THAT THIS REPORT IS -- OH, I
KNOW.
GUYS, GOOD MORNING.
>> JONATHAN HILEMAN, THAT IS THE
CUTEST -- THAT JUST MADE ME LIKE
YOU.
THAT DOG IS ADORABLE.
>> I KNOW.
I KNOW.
>> FINISH YOUR THOUGHT, PLEASE.
>> LISTEN, I THINK --
>> THE CLASS IS WAITING.
>> WHAT THIS REPORT -- WHAT -- I
KNOW, LOOK.
HERE, THAT’S THE POINT.
THE POINT IS THAT COLLUSION HAS
BEEN PUT TO POLITICAL PURPOSES.
THAT WORD HAS BEEN MANGLED AND
THIS DEMONSTRATES IT TO THE
LARGEST DEGREE POSSIBLE.
>> YES.
>> AND I WANT TO JUST POINT MY
FINGER AGAIN AT MARCO RUBIO,
RIGHT?
YOU STILL HAVE REPUBLICANS
ENGAGED IN THIS INCREDIBLY
ABSURD, BUT OBVIOUSLY, WHAT HAS
BEEN A SUCCESSFUL EFFORT ON THE
PART OF REPUBLICANS, AND AGAIN,
PARTICULARLY BILL BARR, TO
REDEFINE WHAT THIS THING WAS,
BECAUSE BY ANY STANDARD
DEFINITION, WHAT THIS REPORT
SHOWS IS DONALD TRUMP IS GUILTY
OF WHAT EVERYBODY HAS -- DONALD
TRUMP AND HIS CAMPAIGN WERE
GUILTY OF WHAT COMMON ENGLISH
LANGUAGE WOULD CALL, MAYBE NOT
LEGAL CONSPIRACY -- I DON’T KNOW
WHAT THE WORD COLLUSION MEANS --
BUT GUILTY.
>> MM-HMM.
LYING EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
>> COORDINATION.
>> COOPERATION, COORDINATION,
THAT RUSSIA POSED A, QUOTE,
GRAVE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE
THREAT.
>> YES.
>> I MEAN, THAT IS -- AGAIN, YOU
JUST GO -- YOU GO THROUGH ALL OF
THIS.
AND AGAIN, MIKA, IT’S -- COLD
WARRIORS BACK DURING THE COLD
WAR HAD AN EXPRESSION FOR PEOPLE
THAT WOULD GO ON TV IN AMERICA
AND PARROT THE LINES THAT THE
SOVIETS WANTED THEM TO PARROT.
THEY WERE CALLED USEFUL IDIOTS.
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THESE PEOPLE
IN THE MEDIA ARE NOW.
THEY’RE USEFUL IDIOTS.
PEOPLE ON CAPITOL HILL,
REPUBLICANS, USEFUL IDIOTS.
YOU HAVE KEVIN McCARTHY WHO SAID
FOUR YEARS AGO THAT DONALD
TRUMP, HE WAS SURE THAT DONALD
TRUMP AND DANA ROHRABACHER WERE
ON THE PAYROLL OF VLADIMIR
PUTIN.
HE HAS TURNED INTO A USEFUL
IDIOT.
IS HE GOING TO COME OUT TODAY
AND CONDEMN THIS?
AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR HISTORY.
YOU LOOK BACK AT ALL OF THE
PEOPLE --
>> THIS IS FOR HISTORY.
>> -- THAT WERE USEFUL IDIOTS
FOR THE SOVIET UNION, THEY DON’T
LOOK SO GOOD RIGHT NOW.
>> NO.
>> THREE, FOUR, FIVE MONTHS FROM
NOW, HOW ARE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT
ARE TRYING TO PAPER OVER THIS
AND CALLING THIS A RUSSIAN HOAX
GOING TO LOOK?
BILL BARR?
BILL BARR LIED THROUGH HIS
TEETH, SAYING THAT THIS MUELLER
INVESTIGATION STARTED WITH A
STEELE DOSSIER.
HE KNOWS THAT’S A LIE.
HE KNOWS IT’S A LIE!
AND YET, HE SAYS IT ANYWAY.
SO, THESE LIES -- IT’S NOT JUST
CONFINED TO THE OUTER REACHES
OF, YOU KNOW, THE GUTTERS OF THE
INTERNET OR TWITTERSPHERE.
PEOPLE IN THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION ARE PARROTING THE
PRESIDENT, DESPITE THE FACT,
AGAIN, THE EVIDENCE IS
OVERWHELMING, THERE WAS A
COORDINATION.
THERE WAS, YES, WHATEVER,
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DEFINE
COLLUSION.
IF YOU DON’T LIKE THAT WORD,
OKAY.
BUT THE COORDINATION POSE FD A
GRAVE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE THREAT
TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
>> LISTEN, THE STUPIDITY OF A
REPUBLICAN SENATOR WHO WOULD
STAND UP FOR THE PRESIDENT’S
CORRUPTION NOW, AFTER HE JUST
PROVED THAT HE WOULD RUN OVER
THEIR CHANCES OF RE-ELECTION BY
DESTROYING THE POST OFFICE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE CAN
TRY -- WIVES AT HOME OR HUSBANDS
AT HOME CAN TRY AND EXPLAIN,
THIS MAN WON’T BE THERE FOR YOU,
THIS MAN WILL CRUSH YOU, NO
MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DO FOR HIM.
AND MAYBE YOU WON’T LISTEN TO
THOSE SMART PEOPLE, BUT YOU CAN
SEE IT WITH YOUR EYES, WITH WHAT
HE DID WITH THE POST OFFICE.
YOU CAN SEE HE DOESN’T CARE
ABOUT YOUR DAMN RE-ELECTION --
>> WHAT HE DID WITH RUSSIA!
FORGET THE POST OFFICE.
>> I’VE GOT TO GET TO JOYCE.
>> WHAT HE DID WITH VLADIMIR
PUTIN --
>> WELL, THAT’S MY POINT.
>> -- WHEN HE WAS WARNED BY THE
INTEL COMMUNITIES THAT PUTIN WAS
RUNNING A SPY OPERATION FOR
RUSSIA THROUGH WIKILEAKS, AND HE
GOT INFORMATION FROM STONE FROM
WIKILEAKS, ACCORDING TO
REPUBLICAN SENATORS LIKE MARCO
RUBIO AND BEN SASSE AND TOM
COTTON ON THIS COMMITTEE, AND
THEN WENT AROUND SPREADING THAT
RUSSIAN INFORMATION THAT THEY