>>> WELCOME BACK TO "VELSHI & RUHLE."
RUHLE." WE ARE ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT A
STORY WITH IMAGES THAT’S
DIFFICULT TO SEE.
IT IS AN IMPORTANT STORY THAT WE
MUST UNDERSTAND THE HUMAN TOLL
OF THE IMMIGRATION POLICY THAT’S
ADVOCATED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.
HERE IS THE IMAGE ON YOUR SCREEN
RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. THAT IS A 23-MONTH-OLD BABY, A
TODDLER WITH HER ARM AROUND HER
DAD’S NECK, FACED DOWN AND
TUCKED INSIDE HIS SHIRT.
THEY’RE BOTH DEAD.
ON A BANKS OF THE RIO GRANDE IN
MEXICO.
MEXICO. THEY CAN SEE AMERICA.
BOTH THE FATHER AND THE DAUGHTER
WITH DARK HAIR, YOU CAN SEE THE
LITTLE RED SHORTS WITH HER
DIAPER PEEKING OUT.
YOU CAN SEE HER TINY SHOES.
THESE ARE NOT IMAGES, IT IS
PEOPLE WITH NAMES AND LIVES WHO
ARE SEARCHING FOR A BETTER LIFE.
ACCORDING TO THE ASSOCIATE
PRESS, THE FAMILY’S JOURNEY
BEGAN 12 WEEKS AGO TODAY IN EL
SALVADOR.
SALVADOR. THE FATHER WHOSE NAME IS ALBERTO
RAMIREZ ARRIVED WITH HIS SMALL
DAUGHTER AND HIS WIFE AT THE
U.S. CONSULATE IN MEXICO ON
SUNDAY.
SUNDAY. LEGALLY PRESENTING THEMSELVES
FOR ASYLUM.
FOR ASYLUM. ACCORDING TO THE NEW YORK TIMES,
OSCAR LEFT HIS JOB AT PAPA
JOHN’S WHERE $350 A MONTH WAS
ALL HE HAD TO PROVIDE FOR HIS
FAMILY.
FAMILY. WHEN THEY PRESENTED THEMSELVES,
THEY WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE
SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE ANY ASYLUM
PROCESS COULD BEGIN.
THE U.S. POLICY HAS SLOW DOWN
ASYLUM CLAIM REDUCING THE NUMBER
OF PEOPLE OR EVERYONE PERMITTED
TO REQUEST ASYLUM EVERYDAY.
>> THIS IS NOT SOMEBODY, THIS IS
NOT WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLS
ILLEGAL.
ILLEGAL. FRUSTRATED AND DESPERATE
ACCORDING TO INTERVIEWS.
RAMIREZ DECIDED TO CROSS THE RIO
GRANDE.
GRANDE. IT LOOKS CALM BUT IT HAS A
SURFACE THAT HOSPITALIZED
DANGEROUS CURRENTS BENEATH.
THE HEARTBREAKING PART OF THIS
WAS VOTHE DAUGHTER WAS
SUCCESSFULLY TAKEN OVER THE
RIVER.
RIVER. THOSE SMALL SHOES REACTING AS MY
CHILD MAY REACT, SHE JUMPED INTO
THE WATER AFTER HER FATHER.
AS HER MOTHER WATCHED IN HORROR.
THE CURRENT GET BANBEGAN TO TAKE
THE GIRL.
THE GIRL. AS NIGHT FELL, THE SEARCH CALLED
OFF AND THEIR BODIES WERE FOUND
ON MONDAY.
ON MONDAY. SHE’S TUCKED INTO OSCAR’S SHIRT,
HER SMALL ARM AROUND HIS NECK.
OSCAR WAS 25 YEARS OLD.
WE JUST LEARNED FROM OSCAR’S
MOTHER THAT SHE PLEADED WITH HIM
NOT TO GO.
SHE SAID THROUGH TEARS THAT
OSCAR LOVED HIS DAUGHTER VERY
MUCH AND BECAUSE OF THAT LOVE,
SHE TOOK HIS FAMILY TO AMERICA.
JACOB SOBOROFF IS HERE.
HE’S BEEN COVERING THIS BORDER
CRISIS WITH US SINCE THE
BEGINNING.
BEGINNING. JACOB, THIS IS -- THIS TELLS A
DIFFERENT STORY.
DIFFERENT STORY. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WENT THERE
TO SEEK ASYLUM.
MOST PEOPLE NEVER GET IT AND
THEY GET A HEARING AND THEY ARE
TURNED AWAY.
TURNED AWAY. >> IT IS SHAMEFUL.
WE SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED AND NOT
JUST FOR THIS FATHER AND
DAUGHTER AND THE SURVIVEOR OF TH
FAMILY.
FAMILY. EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD KNOW.
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE DIED
ATTEMPTED
ATTEMPTED ATTEMPTING TO CROSS THE UNITED
STATES.
STATES. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT 10 OR 20
OR THE SIX CHILDREN WHO DIED IN
THE CUSTODY DURING THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. I AM TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE HAVE DIED TRYING TO GET
TO THIS COUNTRY.
IN THE DESERTS AND ARIZONA OR IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHERE
THEY HAVE RESCUES AND SO MANY
PEOPLE GET STRANDED LOOKING FOR
HELP.
HELP. THE REASON THEY CROSS THIS WAY
BECAUSE IT IS THE EASIEST WAY TO
GET IN THE COUNTRY.
AS YOU GUYS STATED PERFECTLY IT
IS BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS OF
MEET
MEET MEET
MEET METERING.
METERING. WHEN THEY CAME TO PRESENT
THEMSELVES, THEY’RE TOLD YOU
CAN’T COME IN UNTIL A WEEK FROM
NOW.
NOW. INSTEAD OF SITTING THERE AND
WAIT FOR A WEEK, THEY SAID YOU
GOT TO GET IN NOW.
>> THE PRESIDENT ARGUED THAT THE
POLICIES, WHEN OBAMA WAS IN
OFFICE.
OFFICE. TELL US WHAT IT WAS LIKE NOW
WHEN YOU SEEK ASYLUM, IS IT
WORSE NOW THAN EVER OR IS IT
BETTER THAN BEFORE?
>> ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS DRIVE
FIVE MINUTES PAST THE BORDER.
GABE GUTIERREZ WAS ON THE BRIDGE
DURING THE SEPARATION A YEAR
AGO, MOST OF US WERE ALL IN
SOUTH TEXAS DURING THIS HORRIFIC
SEPARATION POLICY.
SEPARATION POLICY. IT CONTINUES TODAY AND PEOPLE
ARE SITTING THERE BASICALLY
PLEADING WITH BORDER AGENTS ON A
DAILY
DAILY DAILY BY THE WAY
DAILY BASIS, PEOPLE WRITING
NUMBERS ON THEIR ARMS WAITING TO
GET INTO THE COUNTRY.
>> NUMBERS OF WHAT?
>> 1,000 IN LINE IN ORDER TO GET
INTO THE COUNTRY.
>> INFORMAL LIST KEPT BY
ORGANIZATIONS, THAT’S HOW
DISORGANIZED THIS IS.
AND THAT’S WHAT THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION WANTS.
ADMINISTRATION WANTS. IT HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY.
>> IT HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN THIS
WAY.
WAY. IT IS WORSE NOW THAN IT IS EVER
BEFORE AND THAT’S BECAUSE THE
ADMINISTRATION BELIEVES THEY CAN
SCARE PEOPLE AWAY.
>> IT WON’T SCARE PEOPLE.
IT DOES NOT STOP PEOPLE FROM
COMING TO DETERRENCE.
IT HAS NEVER STOPPED PEOPLE FROM
COMING.
COMING. >> THESE ARE THE MOST DESPERATE
PEOPLE IN THE WORLD GOING
THROUGH ONE OF THE MOST
DANGEROUS COUNTRIES, MEXICO, IN
ORDER TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE.
YOU DON’T MAKE A TRIP OF ONE OF
THE DANGEROUS COUNTRIES IN THE
WORLD BECAUSE IT IS A WALK IN
CENTRAL PARK.
CENTRAL PARK. >> LET’S DISCUSS WHAT WOULD
HAPPEN HAD THEY BEEN GRANTED THE
ABILITY TO CLAIM ASYLUM IN THE
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS
SPECIFICALLY, WHEN YOU CLAIM
ASYLUM, YOU APPEAR AT SOME POINT
BEFORE A MAGISTRATE AND A JUDGE
AND YOU REQUIRE A RECORD.
>> YOU SHOW UP AND THEY
DETERMINE, AGENTS ON THE FRONT
LINE DETERMINE IF YOU HAVE A
CREDIBLE
CREDIBLE CREDIBLE SCREENING.
CREDIBLE SCREENING. THEY ARE PUT IN A PROCESS AND
THEY GET ACCESSED INTO -- JULIA
AINSLEY AND I JUST REPORTED
TODAY WHICH IS THE MONEY IS
LITERALLY BECAUSE CONGRESS HAS
NOT AGREED ON A BORDER FUNDING
DEAL LITERALLY IS RUNNING OUT TO
PAY FOR SERVICES FOR IMMIGRANT
CHILDREN WHO ARE IN THE CUSTODY
FOR HHS.
FOR HHS. >> WHAT ABOUT THE BILL THAT
PASSED LAST NIGHT?
>> THEY HAVE TO RECONCILE THE
TWO BILLS AND THE PRESIDENT HAS
TO SIGN IT.
IN BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THE
PRESIDENT SIGNS AFTER THE 4th OF
JULY RECESS, I CAN’T STATE
ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT IT IS.
CHILDREN IN THE CUSTODY OF A
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITHOUT
ACCESS TO FREE LEGAL AIDE.
>> A LITTLE CHILD MAY APPEAR
BEFORE A JUDGE WITHOUT
REPRESENTATION.
REPRESENTATION. >> YOU CAN HAVE INFANTS GOING
BEFORE A JUDGE BY THEMSELVES
WITHOUT A LAWYER WHICH INCREASES
THE CHANCE OF THEM BEING
DEPORTED INTO THE COUNTRY.
>> BUT HOLD ON A SECOND.
IF THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SAYING
IT IS CONGRESS.
THEY’RE THE ONES BLOCKING IT.
HERE IS THIS $4.5 BILLION AND
NOW IT IS SITTING IN THE SENATE
WITH THE PRESIDENT, IS IT IN THE
REPUBLICANS’ HANDS?
REPUBLICANS’ HANDS? I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE
TO GO ON A RECESS THROUGH THE
4th OF JULY.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS
OF CHILDREN AT THE HOMESTEAD
CENTER IN FLORIDA THAT MAY NOT
HAVE LEGAL REPRESENTATION.
THOSE FACILITIES, THERE IS NO
LEGAL REPRESENTATION.
LEGAL REPRESENTATION. 50 KIDS HAVE NO LEGAL
REPRESENTATIONS AS I AM TALKING
TO YOU.
TO YOU. >> LET’S SHARE WHAT REPUBLICANS
SENATOR RON JOHNSON WHO’S THE
CHAIR OF HOMELAND SECURITY
COMMITTEE SAID EARLIER TODAY.
>> I DIDN’T HAVE TIME TO HAVE
THE PICTURE BLOWN UP, WE HAVE
ALL SEEN IT OF OSCAR RAMIREZ AND
HIS DAUGHTER, I REALIZED
TRAGEDIES OCCUR ALL OVER THIS
COUNTRY AND ALL OVER THE WORLD.
I DON’T WANT TO SEE SOMETHING
LIKE THAT ON THE BORDER.
I HOPE THAT PICTURE ALONE WILL
CAT
CAT LED THIS CONGRESS AND COMMITTEE
TO DO SOMETHING.
THAT PICTURE OF ALL AMERICANS
WAKING UP THIS MORNING LOOKING
AT AGAIN SHOULD BE USED AS A
CATALYST FOR THAT KIND OF
ACTION.
ACTION. >> I MEAN THAT’S REPUBLICAN RON
JOHNSON.
JOHNSON. BERNIE SANDERS JUST PUT A
STATEMENT OUT IN RESPONSE TO THE
PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT FATHER AND
HIS DAUGHTER WHERE BERNIE
SANDERS WRITES, THE PHOTO OF
THIS FATHER AND HIS YOUNG
DAUGHTER IS HORRIFIC.
IT IS AN EXAMPLE DEMONSTRATING
THE RECKLESS DISREGARD OF BASIC
HUMANITY FOR TRUMP’S POLICY.
THE TRUMP’S POLICY REFUSED TO
PROCESS ASYLUM AND THROWING
CHILDREN INTO CAGES.
ALL IN A DELIBERATE EFFORT TO
STOKE ANTIIMMIGRANT HATRED.
FULFILLS OUR OBLIGATION TO
GUARANTEE THOSE COMING TO
AMERICA WITH SAFE AND HEALTHY
CONDITIONS.
CONDITIONS. >> THE PRESIDENT SAYS ON FOX
BUSINESS YESTERDAY.
BUSINESS YESTERDAY. THIS BILL DOES NOT FUND THE
WALL.
WALL. >> IT IS PATHETIC.
I AM SORRY.
WE CAN’T AS A COUNTRY, I DON’T
CARE IF YOU ARE A JOURNALIST OR
A CITIZEN OR A CANDIDATE ON THE
STAGE OR WHAT PARTY YOU ARE IN.
>> HOPEFULLY YOU ARE A CITIZEN
IF YOU ARE A CANDIDATE.
>> THAT PICTURE THAT PLAYED OUT
THERE, PLAYS OUT THOUSANDS OF
TIMES IN THIS COUNTRY AND PEOPLE
DON’T SEE THEM.
IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
BROTHERS AND SISTERS ALL
WE ARE ALL LOOKING AT IT RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. IT HAPPENS OVER THE COURSE 30
YEARS AND 7,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED
TRYING TO GET INTO THE COUNTRY.
>> ANY OFFICIAL STATEMENTS FROM
THE WHITE HOUSE WHEN THE ZERO
TOLERANCE POLICY ENDED.
IVANKA TRUMP SAID IN AN
INTERVIEW THE CHILD SEPARATION
WAS A LOW POINT IN THE