extraordinaire and writer and Josh. We're talking a lot this week, about 2024, as we start to kind of see some parts of it take shape. We're still obviously a long way out, but I wanna just jump in I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst and start by asking you about. about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some Donald Trump's attacks go unanswered. clarity that he'll, he'll jump in, at least file toward the end of next week. He's lost a lot of ground in the polls over the last couple months, but Well, look, this has been a good week for, uh, governor DeSantis. at the same time, his trip to Iowa. He, he's finally going to announce, I, I think there was a lot of anxiety He got endorsements from some of the top legislative leaders in the And look, that's, that's gonna be the message you'll hear from the governor, state of Iowa, which is a hugely important state for, for the governor. And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in And it'll be the key argument. I, I believe in the Republican primary and, uh, if, if, if the governor, if that, you know, he's the electable candidate and, and Donald Trump has Governor DeSantis gets momentum and he is gonna be focusing on early states been part of, as he put it, a culture. like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. I know some people have called it like King Kong and Godzilla, um, because Making, uh, his candidates see, seem like not just the conservative they're not afraid to go at each other. candidate in the field, but the electable Republican, especially Obviously does it in the Trump manner. He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. apparently those weren't available yet. Unfortunately, something to that effect and DeSantis, as you point out, is going So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you to diffuse that with his recent travel in Iowa, for example? Well, retail politics going to. know, that he's associated with losing. And we know that will get under the former president's skin probably Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore? More so Ron DeSantis needs to pass that test.
We're talking a lot this week, about 2024, as we start to kind of see some parts of it take shape. We're still obviously a long way out, but I wanna just jump in I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst and start by asking you about. about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some Donald Trump's attacks go unanswered. clarity that he'll, he'll jump in, at least file toward the end of next week. He's lost a lot of ground in the polls over the last couple months, but Well, look, this has been a good week for, uh, governor DeSantis. at the same time, his trip to Iowa. He, he's finally going to announce, I, I think there was a lot of anxiety He got endorsements from some of the top legislative leaders in the And look, that's, that's gonna be the message you'll hear from the governor, state of Iowa, which is a hugely important state for, for the governor. And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in I, I believe in the Republican primary and, uh, if, if, if the governor, if that, you know, he's the electable candidate and, and Donald Trump has Governor DeSantis gets momentum and he is gonna be focusing on early states like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. I know some people have called it like King Kong and Godzilla, um, because Making, uh, his candidates see, seem like not just the conservative they're not afraid to go at each other. candidate in the field, but the electable Republican, especially He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. apparently those weren't available yet. Unfortunately, something to that effect and DeSantis, as you point out, is going So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you to diffuse that with his recent travel in Iowa, for example? Well, retail politics going to. And we know that will get under the former president's skin probably Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore? More so Ron DeSantis needs to pass that test.
We're talking a lot this week, about 2024, as we start to kind of see some parts of it take shape. We're still obviously a long way out, but I wanna just jump in I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst and start by asking you about. about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some clarity that he'll, he'll jump in, at least file toward the end of next week. He's lost a lot of ground in the polls over the last couple months, but Well, look, this has been a good week for, uh, governor DeSantis. He, he's finally going to announce, I, I think there was a lot of anxiety He got endorsements from some of the top legislative leaders in the And look, that's, that's gonna be the message you'll hear from the governor, state of Iowa, which is a hugely important state for, for the governor. And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in I, I believe in the Republican primary and, uh, if, if, if the governor, if that, you know, he's the electable candidate and, and Donald Trump has Governor DeSantis gets momentum and he is gonna be focusing on early states like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. I know some people have called it like King Kong and Godzilla, um, because Making, uh, his candidates see, seem like not just the conservative they're not afraid to go at each other. candidate in the field, but the electable Republican, especially He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. apparently those weren't available yet. Unfortunately, something to that effect and DeSantis, as you point out, is going So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you to diffuse that with his recent travel in Iowa, for example? And we know that will get under the former president's skin probably Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore? More so Ron DeSantis needs to pass that test.
We're talking a lot this week, about 2024, as we start to kind of We're still obviously a long way out, but I wanna just jump in I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some clarity that he'll, he'll jump in, at least file toward the end of next week. He's lost a lot of ground in the polls over the last couple months, but Well, look, this has been a good week for, uh, governor DeSantis. He, he's finally going to announce, I, I think there was a lot of anxiety He got endorsements from some of the top legislative leaders in the state of Iowa, which is a hugely important state for, for the governor. And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in I, I believe in the Republican primary and, uh, if, if, if the governor, if that, you know, he's the electable candidate and, and Donald Trump has Governor DeSantis gets momentum and he is gonna be focusing on early states like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. I know some people have called it like King Kong and Godzilla, um, because Making, uh, his candidates see, seem like not just the conservative candidate in the field, but the electable Republican, especially He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. Unfortunately, something to that effect and DeSantis, as you point out, is going So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you to diffuse that with his recent travel in Iowa, for example? And we know that will get under the former president's skin probably Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore? More so Ron DeSantis needs to pass that test.
We're talking a lot this week, about 2024, as we start to kind of We're still obviously a long way out, but I wanna just jump in I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some clarity that he'll, he'll jump in, at least file toward the end of next week. He's lost a lot of ground in the polls over the last couple months, but Well, look, this has been a good week for, uh, governor DeSantis. He, he's finally going to announce, I, I think there was a lot of anxiety He got endorsements from some of the top legislative leaders in the And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in I, I believe in the Republican primary and, uh, if, if, if the governor, if that, you know, he's the electable candidate and, and Donald Trump has Governor DeSantis gets momentum and he is gonna be focusing on early states like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. I know some people have called it like King Kong and Godzilla, um, because Making, uh, his candidates see, seem like not just the conservative candidate in the field, but the electable Republican, especially He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. Unfortunately, something to that effect and DeSantis, as you point out, is going So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you to diffuse that with his recent travel in Iowa, for example? And we know that will get under the former president's skin probably Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore? More so Ron DeSantis needs to pass that test.
We're talking a lot this week, about 2024, as we start to kind of We're still obviously a long way out, but I wanna just jump in I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some clarity that he'll, he'll jump in, at least file toward the end of next week. He, he's finally going to announce, I, I think there was a lot of anxiety He got endorsements from some of the top legislative leaders in the And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in I, I believe in the Republican primary and, uh, if, if, if the governor, if Governor DeSantis gets momentum and he is gonna be focusing on early states like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. I know some people have called it like King Kong and Godzilla, um, because Making, uh, his candidates see, seem like not just the conservative candidate in the field, but the electable Republican, especially He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. Unfortunately, something to that effect and DeSantis, as you point out, is going So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you to diffuse that with his recent travel in Iowa, for example? And we know that will get under the former president's skin probably Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore? More so Ron DeSantis needs to pass that test.
We're talking a lot this week, about 2024, as we start to kind of I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some clarity that he'll, he'll jump in, at least file toward the end of next week. He, he's finally going to announce, I, I think there was a lot of anxiety He got endorsements from some of the top legislative leaders in the And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in I, I believe in the Republican primary and, uh, if, if, if the governor, if Governor DeSantis gets momentum and he is gonna be focusing on early states like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. I know some people have called it like King Kong and Godzilla, um, because Making, uh, his candidates see, seem like not just the conservative candidate in the field, but the electable Republican, especially He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. Unfortunately, something to that effect and DeSantis, as you point out, is going So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you to diffuse that with his recent travel in Iowa, for example? And we know that will get under the former president's skin probably Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore? More so Ron DeSantis needs to pass that test.
We're talking a lot this week, about 2024, as we start to kind of I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some clarity that he'll, he'll jump in, at least file toward the end of next week. He got endorsements from some of the top legislative leaders in the And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in I, I believe in the Republican primary and, uh, if, if, if the governor, if Governor DeSantis gets momentum and he is gonna be focusing on early states like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. I know some people have called it like King Kong and Godzilla, um, because He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. Unfortunately, something to that effect and DeSantis, as you point out, is going So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you to diffuse that with his recent travel in Iowa, for example? Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore? More so Ron DeSantis needs to pass that test.
We're talking a lot this week, about 2024, as we start to kind of I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some clarity that he'll, he'll jump in, at least file toward the end of next week. He got endorsements from some of the top legislative leaders in the And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in I, I believe in the Republican primary and, uh, if, if, if the governor, if Governor DeSantis gets momentum and he is gonna be focusing on early states like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. I know some people have called it like King Kong and Godzilla, um, because He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. Unfortunately, something to that effect and DeSantis, as you point out, is going So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore? More so Ron DeSantis needs to pass that test.
I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some He got endorsements from some of the top legislative leaders in the And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. Unfortunately, something to that effect and DeSantis, as you point out, is going So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore?
I'm delighted to be joined by Josh Crash hour today, political analyst about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, Your thoughts with regard to Ron DeSantis, who were starting to get some And he also had a message that is gonna be crucial to his success in like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and It's so interesting to watch the Trump DeSantis battle. So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial part of any candidate's ability to do well in a presidential race. You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore?
about why the governor was taking so long, why he was letting a lot of, uh, like Iowa, New Hampshire, uh, to get that momentum back, it's gonna be focused on. He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and So with regard to this personality issue, how much has DeSantis done after the former president and, and basically saying, That he's a loser, you Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore?
He said this week that Ron DeSantis, um, needed a personality transplant and Diners, going to town halls, meeting voters face-to-face is a crucial You, you've always heard the test of, do you wanna have a beer with the Joni Moore?
He did a pretty good job, I think in Iowa, uh, going to Des Moines and Cedar Rapids, uh, doing those. Grip grin events. But look, that's a weakness of his too. He's used to running a lot of ads.
He did a pretty good job, I think in Iowa, uh, going to Des Moines Grip grin events. But look, that's a weakness of his too. He's used to running a lot of ads.
Florida's a big state.
He doesn't have to do the kind of retail politics quite as much. Uh, in, in, in, in Florida has a lot of other, uh, governors or
candidates have experience with that.
Said like, Trump was supposed to do a rally in Des Moines and
he canceled, and Trump did not. Do in 2020. A whole lot of those small retail political events.
Said like, Trump was supposed to do a rally in Des Moines and Do in 2020. A whole lot of those small retail political events.
Said like, Trump was supposed to do a rally in Des Moines and A whole lot of those small retail political events.
Um, so the look, there's an opportunity for Governor DeSantis to show his likable side to, you know, meet with a lot of voters, talk to them one-on-one.
That's the pathway for him to succeed, uh, in the 2024 presidential race. It's, you know, the playbook is pretty simple for DeSantis. It's not gonna be looking at the national numbers and figuring out a way to get catch up with Trump there.
It's gonna be spending day after day in Iowa, day after day in New Hampshire, going to diners, going to these small events.
That's the pathway for him to succeed, uh, in the 2024 presidential race. It's not gonna be looking at the national numbers and figuring out a way to get catch up with Trump there. It's gonna be spending day after day in Iowa, day after day in New Hampshire, going to diners, going to these small events.
That's the pathway for him to succeed, uh, in the 2024 presidential race. It's not gonna be looking at the national numbers and figuring out a It's gonna be spending day after day in Iowa, day after day in New Hampshire, going to diners, going to these small events.
And winning over a voter one one day at a time and sparking an upset in those key early states. Yeah, that is so true.
And Iowans, we say it every four years, but they really like to see
And winning over a voter one one day at a time and sparking an Yeah, that is so true. And Iowans, we say it every four years, but they really like to see
And winning over a voter one one day at a time and sparking an And Iowans, we say it every four years, but they really like to see
people and a lot of candidates try to make it to every single district in, in Iowa in order to, to win. And people put so much time and money and effort into Iowa and then sometimes
it can peter out after that as well.
people and a lot of candidates try to make it to every single district And people put so much time and money and effort into Iowa and then sometimes it can peter out after that as well. We saw Ted Cruz, you know, had a slim win over Trump in Iowa. And, um, you know, it doesn't always translate into momentum going forward,
but it's certainly really important.
And people put so much time and money and effort into Iowa and then sometimes We saw Ted Cruz, you know, had a slim win over Trump in Iowa. And, um, you know, it doesn't always translate into momentum going forward, but it's certainly really important.
We saw Ted Cruz, you know, had a slim win over Trump in Iowa. And, um, you know, it doesn't always translate into momentum going forward, Um, you know, so he has, DeSantis has picked up a bunch of endorsements
in Iowa and New Hampshire, uh, from, you know, state politicians. How much do those really matter? Josh? They matter. They're not determinative.
Um, you know, so he has, DeSantis has picked up a bunch of endorsements in Iowa and New Hampshire, uh, from, you know, state politicians. How much do those really matter? They matter. They're not determinative.
Um, you know, so he has, DeSantis has picked up a bunch of endorsements in Iowa and New Hampshire, uh, from, you know, state politicians. How much do those really matter? They're not determinative.
Um, you know, so he has, DeSantis has picked up a bunch of endorsements in Iowa and New Hampshire, uh, from, you know, state politicians. They're not determinative.
Um, you know, so he has, DeSantis has picked up a bunch of endorsements in Iowa and New Hampshire, uh, from, you know, state politicians.
Uh, if, if endorsements mattered, Donald Trump wouldn't have been the nominee in 2016. He. Clearly did not have the most endorsements compared to folks like Jeb Bush and
in Iowa and New Hampshire, uh, from, you know, state politicians. Uh, if, if endorsements mattered, Donald Trump wouldn't have been the nominee in 2016. Clearly did not have the most endorsements compared to folks like Jeb Bush and
Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, and so on. Look, it mattered when Donald Trump got, uh, a lot more Republican
Uh, if, if endorsements mattered, Donald Trump wouldn't Clearly did not have the most endorsements compared to folks like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, and so on. Look, it mattered when Donald Trump got, uh, a lot more Republican
congressmen in the state of Florida to support him over DeSantis.
Clearly did not have the most endorsements compared to folks like Jeb Bush and Look, it mattered when Donald Trump got, uh, a lot more Republican congressmen in the state of Florida to support him over DeSantis. And it matters that Ron DeSantis has gotten two of the most powerful Republicans in the state legislature, in the state of Iowa
to, to endorse his candidacy.
powerful Republicans in the state legislature, in the state of Iowa Um, look, I, I, I think the inside game only will be, Crucial, as long as
DeSantis can also play that outside game, he needs to win over those Endor DOYs. He needs to get people, uh, lawmakers, state legislators, all the, all the politicos in those states to support him. But he also needs to make the case to voters and, and that's what's gonna be, uh, tested when he makes his official announcement sometimes soon. Yeah. What do you think the potential, when you look at these numbers right now, obviously
Um, look, I, I, I think the inside game only will be, Crucial, as long as He needs to get people, uh, lawmakers, state legislators, all the, all the politicos in those states to support him. But he also needs to make the case to voters and, and that's what's gonna be, uh, tested when he makes his official announcement sometimes soon. What do you think the potential, when you look at these numbers right now, obviously
Um, look, I, I, I think the inside game only will be, Crucial, as long as politicos in those states to support him. But he also needs to make the case to voters and, and that's what's gonna be, uh, tested when he makes his official announcement sometimes soon. What do you think the potential, when you look at these numbers right now, obviously
the former president, Donald Trump.
Is in very good shape in terms of national numbers, which we all say, you know, they don't really matter that much at this point, but certainly they give him a lot
What do you think the potential, when you look at these numbers right now, obviously Is in very good shape in terms of national numbers, which we all say, you know, they don't really matter that much at this point, but certainly they give him a lot
of confidence as he looks at the field. What do you think are the. Potential hurdles for that. And do you think that we end up with a Biden Trump matchup in the end? What does your gut tell you?
Is in very good shape in terms of national numbers, which we all say, you know, they don't really matter that much at this point, but certainly they give him a lot And do you think that we end up with a Biden Trump matchup in the end? What does your gut tell you? That's the most likely scenario?
Is in very good shape in terms of national numbers, which we all say, you know, they And do you think that we end up with a Biden Trump matchup in the end? What does your gut tell you? That's the most likely scenario?
Is in very good shape in terms of national numbers, which we all say, you know, they And do you think that we end up with a Biden Trump matchup in the end? That's the most likely scenario? My, my gut has actually said for a while that voters are not
And do you think that we end up with a Biden Trump matchup in the end? My, my gut has actually said for a while that voters are not overall, not excited about to.
Presidents one or two former pre or president and a former president. One over 81, almost 80 to run.
My, my gut has actually said for a while that voters are not Presidents one or two former pre or president and a former president. One over 81, almost 80 to run.
Yeah.
Uh, in 2024. But look, that's the way things are headed because, uh, it seems like certainly among the Democrats, that's what everyone is kind of pushing upon the party for
Biden to run for a second term and to keep everyone united, uh, behind him.
You know, I think the Republican field, uh, it looked, looked, certainly looked a lot more volatile a few months ago. Donald Trump is at a good. It's two or three months. But look, he, he, that, that town hall he did, and some of the, uh, comments on truth, social, those are the types of things that can remind voters on
You know, I think the Republican field, uh, it looked, looked, certainly looked But look, he, he, that, that town hall he did, and some of the, uh, comments on truth, social, those are the types of things that can remind voters on
the Republican side, why they may want someone new and different in 2024. So there's a lot of volatility out there, and I, and I think we're gonna see a, at least some surprises along the way to 2024.
The untold story continues right after this.
the Republican side, why they may want someone new and different in 2024. we're gonna see a, at least some surprises along the way to 2024. The untold story continues right after this. So, you know, anyone who wants to win the presidency obviously has to look at a
handful of states where where it matters. And, um, there was an interesting piece this week about shifting in religious
So, you know, anyone who wants to win the presidency obviously has to look at a And, um, there was an interesting piece this week about shifting in religious groups, uh, which, which basically showed. That there has been a, a drop in faithfulness, I guess, or people who consider themselves people of faith in some pretty
interesting places in Wisconsin and Michigan and in Pennsylvania. What do you think the impact of that is on, on a presidential race?
Boy, that was a fascinating analysis by, by the Pew Research Center
interesting places in Wisconsin and Michigan and in Pennsylvania. Boy, that was a fascinating analysis by, by the Pew Research Center that really our politics are, are. Divided along religious and, and, and, and, and.
Yeah. You know, faithful this lines, uh, if, if you're secular, you're
Boy, that was a fascinating analysis by, by the Pew Research Center that really our politics are, are. Divided along religious and, and, and, and, and. You know, faithful this lines, uh, if, if you're secular, you're much more likely to be a Democrat.
If you're, if you go to church or synagogue at least like
You know, faithful this lines, uh, if, if you're secular, you're If you're, if you go to church or synagogue at least like once a month, you're much more likely to be a Republican. So the one quirk in the numbers is that Donald Trump in 2016 was actually
able to win a critical mass of some of the less religious voters, people
who frankly didn't go to church. And also didn't participate a whole lot in the political process. They were just distrustful of institutions writ large, and that's how he won in 2016.
able to win a critical mass of some of the less religious voters, people And also didn't participate a whole lot in the political process. They were just distrustful of institutions writ large, and that's how he won in 2016. By getting some people who voted for Obama that were secular, that that just
weren't religious, but Trump spoke to them, there is an opportunity, especially in those Midwestern battleground states, for the, you know, the winner of the next election is probably gonna be determined by the same voters.
They were just distrustful of institutions writ large, and that's how he won in 2016. weren't religious, but Trump spoke to them, there is an opportunity, especially in those Midwestern battleground states, for the, you know, the winner of the next election is probably gonna be determined by the same voters.
weren't religious, but Trump spoke to them, there is an opportunity, especially of the next election is probably gonna be determined by the same voters.
And if Democrats can't speak to. Uh, religious voters, that's a problem. But it, you know, it, it also, Republicans have a chance, uh, whether
it's Trump, DeSantis or anyone else to kind of pick off a lot of economically distressed voters who have, uh, lost the faith but still may vote Republican.
And if Democrats can't speak to. But it, you know, it, it also, Republicans have a chance, uh, whether it's Trump, DeSantis or anyone else to kind of pick off a lot of economically distressed voters who have, uh, lost the faith but still may vote Republican.
And that's gonna be a critical swing voting block in, in the next election.
It's so interesting. Um, so you need the non-religious vote in Michigan, Pennsylvania,
distressed voters who have, uh, lost the faith but still may vote Republican. And that's gonna be a critical swing voting block in, in the next election. Um, so you need the non-religious vote in Michigan, Pennsylvania,
distressed voters who have, uh, lost the faith but still may vote Republican. Um, so you need the non-religious vote in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to win.
Right. Yeah. Mean like it writ large, like religious voters are conservative, less
Um, so you need the non-religious vote in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to win. Right. Mean like it writ large, like religious voters are conservative, less
Um, so you need the non-religious vote in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to win. Mean like it writ large, like religious voters are conservative, less religious voters, mostly democratic. But there are some cross curtains.
Um, so you need the non-religious vote in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Mean like it writ large, like religious voters are conservative, less religious voters, mostly democratic. But there are some cross curtains.
There are some small slices of, of voters that kind of go against the grain, and
Mean like it writ large, like religious voters are conservative, less There are some small slices of, of voters that kind of go against the grain, and those are gonna be, especially in the, those Midwestern states and like the ones you mentioned, Martha, that is gonna decide, I think the next election. So when you go back, To what we were talking about initially, which is the, uh,
There are some small slices of, of voters that kind of go against the grain, and ones you mentioned, Martha, that is gonna decide, I think the next election. So when you go back, To what we were talking about initially, which is the, uh,
primary, I mean, yeah, the, the primary nomination process in that part of it.
Uh, on the Republican side, the evangelical vote is very important. The Catholic vote is very important.
primary, I mean, yeah, the, the primary nomination process in that part of it. Uh, on the Republican side, the evangelical vote is very important. Everyone was, I think, pretty surprised that. Former President Trump got the support of these evangelical groups and every Republican who is considering running, uh, that I've spoken to,
primary, I mean, yeah, the, the primary nomination process in that part of it. Everyone was, I think, pretty surprised that. Former President Trump got the support of these evangelical groups and every Republican who is considering running, uh, that I've spoken to,
considers that that to be their lane.
You know, if you say where, what are you gonna be able to do, whether it's
Former President Trump got the support of these evangelical groups and every Republican who is considering running, uh, that I've spoken to, You know, if you say where, what are you gonna be able to do, whether it's Tim Scott or Nikki Haley, um, they feel like they can potentially move
themselves up the list of Republican potential nominees by winning the
support of these evangelical groups. Where do you. Where do you see them going, Josh?
Tim Scott or Nikki Haley, um, they feel like they can potentially move themselves up the list of Republican potential nominees by winning the support of these evangelical groups. Where do you see them going, Josh? Well look in the primary, uh, Keep an eye on Tim Scott, who is expected to announce
his own presidential campaign shortly.
He, I was with him in South Carolina. His entire message, uh, is about faith and about his own personal
Well look in the primary, uh, Keep an eye on Tim Scott, who is expected to announce He, I was with him in South Carolina. His entire message, uh, is about faith and about his own personal faith and about his own personal story and how his, uh, you know, hi, hi.
Well look in the primary, uh, Keep an eye on Tim Scott, who is expected to announce His entire message, uh, is about faith and about his own personal faith and about his own personal story and how his, uh, you know, hi, hi.
His re religion and his belief allowed him to kind of, Overcome a whole lot of obstacles. It's a very inspiring story. It's one of that I think will play well, uh, in these, uh,
in these early primaries.
faith and about his own personal story and how his, uh, you know, hi, hi. His re religion and his belief allowed him to kind of, Overcome It's a very inspiring story. It's one of that I think will play well, uh, in these, uh, in these early primaries. Uh, and, and, and it's one he's a candidate to watch, uh, for
faith and about his own personal story and how his, uh, you know, hi, hi. His re religion and his belief allowed him to kind of, Overcome It's one of that I think will play well, uh, in these, uh, in these early primaries. Uh, and, and, and it's one he's a candidate to watch, uh, for
His re religion and his belief allowed him to kind of, Overcome It's one of that I think will play well, uh, in these, uh, Uh, and, and, and it's one he's a candidate to watch, uh, for
His re religion and his belief allowed him to kind of, Overcome Uh, and, and, and it's one he's a candidate to watch, uh, for
that very reason, especially also on the issue of abortion. Uh, Donald Trump could be vulnerable in a primary because he has
made numerous comments that even though he appointed the judges. Who overturned Roe v.
Wade, he doesn't necessarily support some of the regulations on abortion in, in, in states, including the Florida six week ban.
Uh, Donald Trump could be vulnerable in a primary because he has made numerous comments that even though he appointed the judges. Wade, he doesn't necessarily support some of the regulations on abortion in, in, in states, including the Florida six week ban.
And that could vulnerable to someone like Tim Scott, Ron DeSantis, who have taken,
uh, more conservative views or at least done more conservative things on that.
Uh, on the abortion issue, uh, and, and, and could certainly draw a contrast in a campaign for that.
Yeah. But then they get to, that's, that's the, the hair that needs to be split, right?
uh, more conservative views or at least done more conservative things on that. Uh, on the abortion issue, uh, and, and, and could certainly draw a contrast in a campaign for that. But then they get to, that's, that's the, the hair that needs to be split, right?
uh, more conservative views or at least done more conservative things on that. Uh, on the abortion issue, uh, and, and, and could certainly draw a But then they get to, that's, that's the, the hair that needs to be split, right?
Because then if they make it through the hurdle of the nomination process, um, and it looks like that's the long game that Trump is playing on this right now. He doesn't wanna be too far to the right on the abortion issue to win a national election.
Because then if they make it through the hurdle of the nomination process, um, and it looks like that's the long game that Trump is playing on this right now. He doesn't wanna be too far to the right on the abortion issue That's the irony that Trump is actually positioning himself as the more electable
Because then if they make it through the hurdle of the nomination process, um, He doesn't wanna be too far to the right on the abortion issue That's the irony that Trump is actually positioning himself as the more electable candidate in a general election.
Even as, as we just discussed, Ron DeSantis is trying to make that very
argument as well for other reasons.
That's the irony that Trump is actually positioning himself as the more electable Even as, as we just discussed, Ron DeSantis is trying to make that very argument as well for other reasons.
Even as, as we just discussed, Ron DeSantis is trying to make that very So that's gonna be a big test for, for Republican primary vote. So is there any, because anything can happen, and when you look back at.
We're 18 months out at this point from the presidential election, but obviously shorter than that from finding the nominees on both sides.
But at this point, Hillary Clinton was in the lead.
So is there any, because anything can happen, and when you look back at. obviously shorter than that from finding the nominees on both sides. But at this point, Hillary Clinton was in the lead.
Jeb Bush was in the lead. Rudy Giuliani was in the lead. Is there a, a dark horse candidate that you see out there?
But at this point, Hillary Clinton was in the lead. Rudy Giuliani was in the lead. Is there a, a dark horse candidate that you see out there?
But at this point, Hillary Clinton was in the lead. Is there a, a dark horse candidate that you see out there? I would say Tim Scott, uh, could be that that candidate, the,
the South Carolina Senator has a very conservative voting record. He's well liked among, uh, all factions of the Republican party. Um, he's got money.
I would say Tim Scott, uh, could be that that candidate, the, the South Carolina Senator has a very conservative voting record. He's well liked among, uh, all factions of the Republican party.
He's got a, both a superPAC that's well funded and his, uh, senate campaign account is, is fully stocked at about 20 million, if I'm not
mistaken, in, in campaign funds. Mm-hmm. So he, you know, I think he's an underdog and he's, you look at the polls, he's not
He's got a, both a superPAC that's well funded and his, uh, senate campaign account is, is fully stocked at about 20 million, if I'm not mistaken, in, in campaign funds. So he, you know, I think he's an underdog and he's, you look at the polls, he's not
He's got a, both a superPAC that's well funded and his, uh, senate campaign account is, is fully stocked at about 20 million, if I'm not So he, you know, I think he's an underdog and he's, you look at the polls, he's not
registering much beyond two or 3%, but.
He's someone to watch as a wildcard, and he's gonna have his chance of a spotlight coming up soon.
Do you think Youngin gets in? So youngin is an interesting, uh, figure in that. I, I, I think he's watching what's going on.
registering much beyond two or 3%, but. He's someone to watch as a wildcard, and he's gonna have his chance of a spotlight coming up soon. So youngin is an interesting, uh, figure in that. I, I, I think he's watching what's going on.
registering much beyond two or 3%, but. He's someone to watch as a wildcard, and he's gonna have his chance So youngin is an interesting, uh, figure in that. I, I, I think he's watching what's going on.
I mean, everything that I've heard from the youngin operation is like,
he's not running right now, but let's say Donald Trump looks like he can't
So youngin is an interesting, uh, figure in that. I mean, everything that I've heard from the youngin operation is like, he's not running right now, but let's say Donald Trump looks like he can't
win an election, and Ron DeSantis doesn't catch fire and no one else
looks like a reasonable alternative. You know, governor Youngin has the profile. A really attractive profile.
And also money he has, uh, he can, he can wait and, and, and spend his own money to run a presidential campaign.
win an election, and Ron DeSantis doesn't catch fire and no one else You know, governor Youngin has the profile. A really attractive profile. And also money he has, uh, he can, he can wait and, and, and spend his own money to run a presidential campaign.
So everything I hear, I, I, I think it's less likely that he runs.
You know, governor Youngin has the profile. And also money he has, uh, he can, he can wait and, and, and spend his own money to run a presidential campaign. So everything I hear, I, I, I think it's less likely that he runs. But if the scenario presents itself for someone like that to
jump in and maybe catch a head of steam, he, he, he's one to watch. Okay, so let, let's talk about the other side of the equation for a minute.
And also money he has, uh, he can, he can wait and, and, and spend his own So everything I hear, I, I, I think it's less likely that he runs. But if the scenario presents itself for someone like that to jump in and maybe catch a head of steam, he, he, he's one to watch. Okay, so let, let's talk about the other side of the equation for a minute. President Biden, Said he wanted to be a bridge to the future, and at that point in
the last presidential campaign, it sounded like that might mean that he was going to
hopefully serve for four years if he was elected, and then turn it over to someone.
But the person who he probably had expected to turn it over to the vice president, Kamala Harris is very weak politically.
You know what? What do you think goes do, do you think that Joe Biden goes the distance and
the last presidential campaign, it sounded like that might mean that he was going to hopefully serve for four years if he was elected, and then turn it over to someone. But the person who he probably had expected to turn it over to the vice president, Kamala Harris is very weak politically. What do you think goes do, do you think that Joe Biden goes the distance and
the last presidential campaign, it sounded like that might mean that he was going to But the person who he probably had expected to turn it over to the vice president, Kamala Harris is very weak politically. What do you think goes do, do you think that Joe Biden goes the distance and
the last presidential campaign, it sounded like that might mean that he was going to to the vice president, Kamala Harris is very weak politically. What do you think goes do, do you think that Joe Biden goes the distance and
is the nominee on the Democrat side?
is the nominee on the Democrat side? I, I think that's more likely than not. But at his age, you know, he's already 80 years old. He'd be 86 at the end of his second term. That's a real challenge. And, uh, any health issue is gonna be a huge problem for, for, for the president.
Um, even, even a small one.
But at his age, you know, he's already 80 years old. He'd be 86 at the end of his second term. And, uh, any health issue is gonna be a huge problem for, for, for the president. Um, even, even a small one. The look, the, the, the, the Democrats, I think the, they, they feel like they're damned if they do then that they don't. Where, look, if Biden decided not to run for reelection, all of a sudden you'd
He'd be 86 at the end of his second term. And, uh, any health issue is gonna be a huge problem for, for, for the president. Um, even, even a small one. The look, the, the, the, the Democrats, I think the, they, they feel like they're damned if they do then that they don't. Where, look, if Biden decided not to run for reelection, all of a sudden you'd
And, uh, any health issue is gonna be a huge problem for, for, for the president. The look, the, the, the, the Democrats, I think the, they, they feel like they're damned if they do then that they don't. Where, look, if Biden decided not to run for reelection, all of a sudden you'd
And, uh, any health issue is gonna be a huge problem for, for, for the president. The look, the, the, the, the Democrats, I think the, they, they feel like they're Where, look, if Biden decided not to run for reelection, all of a sudden you'd
And, uh, any health issue is gonna be a huge problem for, for, for the president. Where, look, if Biden decided not to run for reelection, all of a sudden you'd
have a Harris, you know, emerging as a.
Front runner, there's a lot of worry about her ability, as we've discussed in the past, uh, Martha. And then you'd also have a very messy civil war, really, between
have a Harris, you know, emerging as a. Front runner, there's a lot of worry about her ability, as we've And then you'd also have a very messy civil war, really, between
the, between the progressives and the moderates, between Kamala
Harris and, and other candidates. They, they know what they got with Biden. They know that he's not gonna be the most energetic. Candidate on the campaign trail. They know there's gonna be questions about his age and his health, but they
the, between the progressives and the moderates, between Kamala They, they know what they got with Biden. They know that he's not gonna be the most energetic. Candidate on the campaign trail. They know there's gonna be questions about his age and his health, but they
the, between the progressives and the moderates, between Kamala They know that he's not gonna be the most energetic. Candidate on the campaign trail. They know there's gonna be questions about his age and his health, but they
the, between the progressives and the moderates, between Kamala They know that he's not gonna be the most energetic. They know there's gonna be questions about his age and his health, but they
the, between the progressives and the moderates, between Kamala They know there's gonna be questions about his age and his health, but they
think that, so sort of the devil, they know the, the vulnerabilities they know are better than the other alternative, which could be a even weaker candidate
or division within the party itself. But do you get the sense that they have any plan B that they're thinking about
think that, so sort of the devil, they know the, the vulnerabilities they know are better than the other alternative, which could be a even weaker candidate But do you get the sense that they have any plan B that they're thinking about
are better than the other alternative, which could be a even weaker candidate But do you get the sense that they have any plan B that they're thinking about that or anybody is preparing a potential? You know, sort of riding on a horse to save the day.
But do you get the sense that they have any plan B that they're thinking about that or anybody is preparing a potential? You know, sort of riding on a horse to save the day. There's no plan B. They're, they're putting all their chips in the Biden basket and if, if, if there's
But do you get the sense that they have any plan B that they're thinking about that or anybody is preparing a potential? You know, sort of riding on a horse to save the day. They're, they're putting all their chips in the Biden basket and if, if, if there's
any plan B, it's Kamala, Kamala Harris. I mean, look at that video that Biden did to announce his reelection. Yes, there's been a lot of griping about Kamala Harris, but boy, she was front and center in, she was hugging Jill.
I mean, look at that video that Biden did to announce his reelection. Yes, there's been a lot of griping about Kamala Harris, but boy, she was front
Jill Biden a lot in that video. Oh my goodness. It was, it was, it was, look, they, they've undermined their
Jill Biden a lot in that video. It was, it was, it was, look, they, they've undermined their own own VP for good reason. Like they, she has not performed well in office. But now they realize that's that's the person they picked.
And they, they al they also realize that like if they, if they pushed her aside,
It was, it was, it was, look, they, they've undermined their Like they, she has not performed well in office. But now they realize that's that's the person they picked. And they, they al they also realize that like if they, if they pushed her aside,
that would also create a messier process than if they, you know, they're going forward with her and, and, and working to.
To mitigate the challenges ahead. Well, um, Josh, thank you. It, it's always great to talk to you.
that would also create a messier process than if they, you know, they're going To mitigate the challenges ahead. Well, um, Josh, thank you. It, it's always great to talk to you.
that would also create a messier process than if they, you know, they're going Well, um, Josh, thank you. It, it's always great to talk to you.
that would also create a messier process than if they, you know, they're going It, it's always great to talk to you.
that would also create a messier process than if they, you know, they're going I hope you'll, um, make some time for us as we move through this process and hop on now and then when you can, uh, everybody follows you on Twitter,
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