Fallout from
former President Donald Trump's
unhinged rally in Ohio.
For an hour and a half, he delivered
bizarre, rambling remarks
parroting language used by Adolf Hitler
calling some migrants animals
and warning of a, quote, bloodbath.
If he loses to Joe Biden, Trump
spread more lies about the 2020 election,
saluting those convicted of crimes
on January six for their attempt
to subvert democracy
Ladies and gentlemen,
please rise for the horribly and unfairly
treated January six, two hostages.
You see the spirit
from the hostages,
and that's what they are as hostages.
They've been treated terribly.
Unbelievable patriots.
And they were
unbelievable patriots and are
that was met with fierce backlash
from a handful of Republicans,
including Trump's
former vice
president Mike Pence, who has now refused
to endorse his former boss
I think it's very unfortunate
at a time that
there are American hostages
being held in Gaza,
that the president or any other leaders
would refer to people
that are moving through our
our justice system as hostages.
And it's just it's just unacceptable.
All right.
Let's discuss
with CNN political commentator,
Democratic strategist
Maria Cardona
and CNN political commentator
and Republican strategist Alice Stewart.
Alice,
I mean,
let's jump right into this
Do do most Republicans think that people
convicted of committing crimes on January
six are, quote, hostages and patriots?
You have to think
many Republicans in Trump's base
going back to the very beginning,
they believe Donald Trump
when he says that there were widespread
election fraud,
they believe Donald Trump when he says
Joe Biden did not win.
I am the duly elected president.
And they believe Donald Trump
when he sought to stop the certification
of the election results.
So those that went to the Capitol
that day, as we're seeing here
to quote, peacefully protest
and then others
that went into the Capitol,
they're listening to Donald Trump saying
these people are just doing
the will of Donald Trump.
In order to protect a democracy.
They're not they're not patriots.
They're not hostile.
No, no. That's they're insurrectionists.
They're terrorists.
They caused the death of five
police officers. They defiled
their criminals,
is out our jail for being criminals.
That's exactly right.
And I think what is so dangerous
about this
rhetoric and I know my friend
Alice is explaining to us
why he's doing it
and why Republicans refuse to excuse it
and are,
you know,
turning themselves
around in circles
trying to figure out
how to respond to this publicly.
But here's why it's so dangerous.
Donald Trump leading up to January six
was not even as explicit
as he was talking about now.
He talked about coming to the Capitol.
It's going to be wild
and not what happened.
He caused an insurrection,
which is why a lot of these,
quote unquote, patriots are Trump.
I mean, he hasn't really paid a price.
That's what took place on January six.
And I mean, look at what he said.
About the auto industry
and what will happen to this country
if he loses to Joe Biden. Let's watch.
We're going to put a 100%
tariff on every single car
that comes across the line.
And you're not going to be able
to sell those guys if I get elected.
Now, if I don't get elected, it's
going to be a bloodbath. For the whole.
That's going to be the least of it.
It's going to be a bloodbath
for the country.
That will be the least of it.
But they're not going to sell those cars
now.
Maria, the trump
card in the Trump campaign, was
this what the Biden campaign
said in response to all of this?
They said he wants another January six.
The Trump campaign
refuted that, said he was just talking
about the auto industry and so on.
They're crying
foul over how this has been covered.
But if you look at Alice,
if you look at the way
he said this,
it's going to be a bloodbath
for the whole.
Then he stops.
That's going to be the least of it.
It's going to be a bloodbath.
For the country.
And if you look at it in context,
also where it says
talking about the auto industry
and a 100% tariff on every car
that's foreign to
this country is talking about
the auto industry
and the impact
the Biden policies have
on the auto industry
and just make the auto.
I truly
I believe
when he uses the term bloodbath,
he is talking about this
in an economic sense.
And you look at the word that he says,
that's going to be the least
if it's going to be a bloodbath
for the country.
We're talking about a
the other definition of bloodbath
is a severe loss and reversal.
And this is used all the time
when we're talking
about the stock market in the economy.
And he's talking
look I think this is a
tremendous disservice.
I love you, Alex,
but I mean, you and I love you, too.
I think that
let me tell you that
I really think because,
you know,
was it out of context when he said
very fine people on both sides,
but out of context
when he said,
we got to fight
like hell, you won't have a country more
if I agree was out of context
when he said finish
if I can finish what I'm saying. Sure.
I mean, this is taken out of context.
He's talking about the auto industry.
He's talking
about the electric vehicle
mandates that the Biden administration
is supporting
and how that is going to devastate
the auto industry.
And he's basically selling
the message to
people across middle America,
the United Auto Workers,
the actual workers, not the head,
but the workers real about what he calls.
Let's let let's play this.
What about when he called
migrants animals? Let's let's watch that
If I had prisons that were
teeming with Ms-13
and all sorts of people
that they've got to take care of
for the next 50 years. Right.
Young people that in jail for years,
if you call in people
I don't know if you call them
people, in some cases,
they're not people, in my opinion.
These are bad.
These are animals.
Maria, I mean,
I hear what Alice is saying and,
you know, we have fiery discussion
and sometimes we all respect each other
at the end of the day.
But to me, it's really a stretch
to say, well,
these things are out of context or,
you know, it's just rhetoric.
And so this is just it's so dangerous.
It is.
And it seems to be encouraging violence
when you dehumanize migrants. Yes.
Calling them animals.
That's exactly right. It's dangerous.
And maybe it would be more believable
what Alice was saying
if we were talking about a normal person.
We're not talking about a normal person.
We're talking about Donald Trump.
And he has a history of talking about
violent rhetoric, violent actions.
He knows that his mother, cult followers,
that his supporters
here are a dog whistle
and they're saying, oh,
here is what Donald Trump is telling us
to do.
That's why January six happened.
So when he talks about a bloodbath,
this is not the first time that he talks
in these terms.
It's C-PAC.
His supporters were talking
about a civil war.
If Donald Trump lost the election,
this leads to a bloodbath.
This leads to death.
What was spilled on January six?
This leads to shootings.
The whole issue
about dehumanizing migrants.
He talks
about how your family and mine poisoned
the blood of this country, Jim.
And that is not innocent.
Talk that led to a shooting in El Paso
that led to the shooting and of all day.
These things do not happen with that,
whether it's about cars or not.
Bloodbath why even use that language?
Well, I know you as a candidate.
Again, the term is used all the time.
We're talking about stock
market, the economy, and a
tremendous loss
and that's
what he's talking about here
in response to the animal comment.
He specifically again,
I understand
Democrats want to take
everything out of context,
but in this case, he's
talking about Ms-13, gang
members, killers,
gang members, farm animals.
Aside from that,
and I'm hardly a Trump apologist,
but I'm saying in that instance, he's
talking about Ms-13
and I will go on
to say I agree with Maria.
Talking about poisoning the blood
of this country
and other references
to those coming into this country.
Right.
Over the weekend,
he said he said
he didn't know that Hitler used
that kind of language
to describe the Jewish people.
But this has been pointed out
in the news
coverage time and again that this is
rhetoric used by Adolf Hitler.
And he watches the news all the time.
So he knows he's seen the coverage.
So over the weekend
when he says, oh,
I didn't realize that he's lying.
I mean, why give him
that benefit of the doubt?
Look, you guys know me.
I'm hardly a Trump apologist.
And if he does wrong,
I will point it out.
But I think in these two instances
right here
that are making headlines
across every newspaper, you see that
he does it over and over.
But then his point, he can make the case
that Biden's border policies
are disastrous to this country.
He can make the case
that his economic policies
are disastrous to the auto industry,
but he can do so with much less.
And that's the problem.
And that's why it makes it dangerous
and it makes it unacceptable.
And that's why people like
Mike Pence, Bill
Barr, John Kelly,
people have worked for him side
by side,
have now
said he is not fit to run the country
and they're right.
All right, guys, thanks a lot.
I know we're going to have this
spirited discussion time and again.
Really appreciate it. Thanks a lot.