the david packard shell david that dot com welcome to the show i have so much
for talking about today that i don't wanna waste any time you the grass tyson
is going to be with us a little bit later
and uh... let's get right into it we talked for awhile about the boy scout
policy that does not allow
openly gay
uh... boy scouts individuals to be boy scouts and this has led to all sorts of
different issues we've also seen the boy scouts involved
in the cover up
uh... of of sex uh... style sex abuse and we covered that several months ago
so the boy scouts and many senses
reminiscent of the catholic church okay so with the latest information on this
yesterday i'm just going to say nick i don't know if you want is for name given
or not
but uh... of your neck
contacted me saying uh... i'd just got this survey from the boy scouts
asking about what should happen with gay people in the boy scouts the survey is
fascinating it's one of the most fascinating uh... information gathering
uh... bits of of of
pros
that i've ever seen every did some believable is that louis it's pretty
shocking here so the the email said the boy scouts of america is in the process
of a careful and deliberate review
of our membership policy as it relates the national membership restriction
regarding sexual orientation
so let's look at some of these um... some these questions and myrtle uh...
uploaded these images and link to them in the you tube description for this
video
imagine
if the if instead of gay scouts it said jewish or black and they would be
outraged but remember lewis for now in this country
you know someone of an exemption for discriminating against gay people lease
for the time being
at least among these
religious organizations here's here's a question bob is fifteen years old and
the only openly gay scout in a boy scout troop
is it acceptable or unacceptable for the troop a leader to allow bobcat tent with
the heterosexual boy
on an overnight camping trip and you can say well it's either tits somewhere
between totally acceptable
and totally unacceptable to me here's another scenario david a boy scout
believes homosexuality is wrong
his troops is chartered to a church where the doctrine of that faith
also teaches that homosexuality is wrong
steve and all put openly gay youth
applies to be a member in the troop in is denied membership
isn't acceptable or unacceptable for this troop to deny steven membership in
their troop and i would say well
i guess i find that somewhat acceptable it's not totally acceptable lewis but
it's somewhat of acceptable to deny people membership based on being gay at
least the questions are plainly worded and uh... and clear together david they
are yester path
uh... here's another one again email troop leader along with that and then
another adult leader is taking a group of boys on a camping trip following the
youth protection guidelines
of to deepen leadership
uh... which i assume means you have to have to adults with everybody at the
time
is acceptable or unacceptable for the gay and dole leader to take out a lesson
boys on an overnight camping trip
of course the implicit
notion here is that if you are gay and around children you are way more likely
to uh... to to molest those kids then if you are straight and around children
summitted widely disproven
so there are some of the questions let me pull up another one of the pages here
uh...
the other one says uh...
do you believe the current policy prohibiting open homosexuals from being
scouts or scout leaders is a core value of scouting found in the scout both and
law
is being anti-gay so deeply ingrained into everything in into the boy scout
doctrine that's uh... that that we really can't change it
incredible so i don't know if anything's going to come of this
the reality i i have a number of thoughts on this number one is again
imagine if it said black people for jewish people the reaction would be
completely different and i think that that's a huge double standard not
anti-gay nuts will say well nobody cues is to be black or jewish but uh...
people choose to be gave course there's there's no evidence for that and you
could also argue well you kind of do you choose to be jewish ending that
genetically but uh... you you pay your
you're raised in a certain way and and that's that's optional representing
mandatory about that break
so in any case
uh... incredible stuff
but also
president obama any president is the honorary president
of the boy scouts and i think since president obama has taken a pro quality
stance
uh... pretty pretty decidedly at this point he should say that
he is not going to recognize his honorary presidency
of the boy scouts until this policy is changed that's that's so i think the
reality here
yeah i think that would be a good move he's not he doesn't have to worry about
it uh... that as a political move because he can t president again
uh... it make a good statement but you know i
i didn't even know that he was the honorary president of the political dot
and yet the boy scouts now the boy scouts to know and i think it would be
powerful for those individuals to know that the president is just not on your
side when it comes to this insane policy you know what i'm gonna guess that the
vast majority of people uh... running the boy scouts don't give a crap that
the president of anyway
uh... well-made so i cut him off
we know we're talking
always and this particular president right icy roads and i don't know what
the political orientation is of course has we got a ton of email from liberal
a former boy scouts of parent of co parents of current boy scout is what
we're talking we're no i'm not talking about that we're we're talking about
the heads of uh... organization all i see what you have yeah you're probably
right about that although we don't have evidence that i don't wanna speculate no
no this is just uh... well that's what it is speculation