PULLING KIDS OUT OF THESE
CLASSES.
>> Dana: THANK YOU.
>> Bill: WORD FROM TEHRAN, IRAN
IS LOOKING TO CHINA FOR
MILITARY SUPPORT WHILE STALLING
TALKS WITH THE U.S. ABOUT A
RENEWED NUCLEAR DEAL.
WHERE IT DOES LEAVE EVERYTHING
GOING FORWARD?
MICHAEL SINGH IS PART OF
PRESIDENT BUSH’S NATIONAL
SECURITY COUNCIL.
THIS SEEMS TO BE ALONG A
SIMILAR LINE WITH BEIJING
MOVING IN.
>> WE’VE SEEN CHINA INCREASE
MILITARY AND DIPLOMATIC
INVOLVEMENT IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
THE CHINESE DEFENSE MINISTER IN
IRAN NOW WAS IN SAUDI ARABIA IN
JANUARY.
WE SAW THE SECRET MILITARY
CONSTRUCTION IN THE UNITED ARAB
EMIRATES, A BILATERAL IRRITANT
BETWEEN THE U.S. AND UAE.
THERE IS NO DOUBT THE CHINESE
IRAN AS THEIR MOST IMPORTANT
STRATEGIC PARTNER IN THE REGION.
CHINA NEEDS ENERGY AND OIL
IMPORTS.
THEY WORRY ABOUT U.S. CONTROL
OF THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ AND MILITARY PRESENCE IN THE REGION.
MILITARY PRESENCE IN THE REGION.
IRAN IS THE ONLY COUNTRY ON THE
STRAIT OF HORMUZ.
THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT IRAN
LOOKS AT CHINA NOT NECESSARILY
AS A FRIEND BUT AS A COUNTRY
THAT SHARES THE DESIRE TO TAKE
THE U.S. DOWN A PEG.
>> Bill: A BUSINESS PARTNER.
>> FOR SURE.
>> Dana: AMERICANS SEE CHINA AS
A SUPER POWER AND A THREAT.
IF YOU SEE HERE, 67% THINK THAT
AND THAT THEIR INFLUENCE IS
GETTING STRONGER AT 66%.
I THINK THAT DOES REFLECT
REALITY.
IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE
SEE CHINA TRYING TO DO A LOT OF
THINGS BUT THIS HUGE STORY
ABOUT THEM LOCKING DOWN MAJOR
CITIES.
PEOPLE CAN’T GET OUT.
THEY DON’T HAVE A LOT OF
INFORMATION.
THE STORIES ARE GETTING OUT
THERE.
CHINA IS A PROBLEM BUT ARE THEY
ALSO WEAK?
>> LOOK, THOSE NUMBERS YOU
CITED DANA.
ONE THING SO REMARKABLE AND HOW
FAST THEY’VE CHANGED.
IF YOU LOOK AT AMERICAN’S
OPINIONS OF CHINA, THE NEGATIVE
VIEWS OF CHINA HAVE RAPIDLY
INCREASED OVER THE LAST FOUR OR
FIVE YEARS.
IT SHOWS YOU HOW RAPIDLY THE
U.S./CHINA CONFRONTATION IS
MOVING.
THERE IS NO DOUBT CHINA DOES
HAVE THESE BIG INTERNAL
CHALLENGES.
COVID HAS BEEN ONE OF THEM.
IT HAS OTHER ECONOMIC
CHALLENGES.
IT IS FACING MORE RESISTANCE
FROM NEIGHBORS LIKE INDIA,
JAPAN, AND SOUTH KOREA AND THE
QUESTION IS WELL, IS THAT GOING
TO HELP THE UNITED STATES OR
DOES IT MAKE CHINA MORE
DANGEROUS?
AS THE DOMESTIC PROBLEMS MOUNT,
WILL IT LOOK TO STOKE FOREIGN
CRISES AS A WAY TO TAKE
ATTENTION AWAY FROM THOSE
THINGS?
I THINK THAT’S A WORRY INSIDE
THE GOVERNMENT.
>> Bill: IS IT POSSIBLE WITHIN
A FEW DAYS OR WEEK’S TIME WHAT
DECISION THEY MAKE AN BAY JAING.
50 MILLION PEOPLE ON THE
LOCKDOWN.
SHANGHAI 23 MILLION.
DOUBLE IT WITH BEIJING.
SEE WHAT THEY DO. LATER IN THIS YEAR WORLD
LATER IN THIS YEAR WORLD
LEADERS WILL STILL TALK TO EACH
OTHER.
IN INDONESIA IS A SUMMIT
PLANNED.
INDONESIA SENT A CLEAR
INDICATION TO VLADIMIR PUTIN
THAT HE IS WELCOME TO COME
THERE.
JOHN KIRBY SAID THIS ABOUT THAT
INVITATION.
>> HE SHOULDN’T BE.
HE HAS ISOLATED RUSSIA BY HIS
OWN ACTIONS AND CONTINUE TO BE
ISOLATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL
COMMUNITY.
IT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO
TREAT RUSSIA AS IF IT’S NORMAL
BECAUSE IT’S NOT.
>> Bill: AS YOU MOVE THE CHESS
PIECES HOW DOES IT WORK OUT IN
YOUR MIND?
>> THE REALITY IS A LOT OF
COUNTRIES PARTNERS OF THE
UNITED STATES ARE ALSO PARTNERS
OF RUSSIA AND THEY DON’T WANT
TO TAKE SIDES EVEN THOUGH WE
LOOK AND SAY WE SAY WHICH SIDE
IS RIGHT.
A LOT OF COUNTRIES ARE GOING
INTO THE NON-ALIGNED MIND SETS.
THEY DON’T WANT TO TAKE SIDES.
THEY WANT TO PRESERVE GOOD TIES
WITH THE LIKES OF RUSSIA AND
CHINA.
FOR THE UNITED STATES WHAT
WE’LL NEED TO DO IS ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT AND BE TAILORED IN OUR
REQUESTS OF INDONESIA, UAE AND
SO FORTH AND FOCUS ON WHAT ARE
THE PRACTICAL STEPS THAT WE CAN
QUIETLY WORK WITH THEM ON TO
MAKE LIFE MORE DIFFICULT FOR
VLADIMIR PUTIN AND FOCUS LESS
MAYBE ON SOME OF THESE SORT OF
MORE SHOWY THINGS LIKE VOTES IN
THE U.N. OR ATTENDANCE AT G-20
SUMMITS.
I THINK THAT’S THE REALITY.
>> Dana: IF PUTIN WILL GO TO
THAT CONFERENCE IN JAKARTA, DO
YOU THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN
SHOULD NOT GO?
>> I THINK IT WILL BE VERY
DIFFICULT FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN
TO GO AND STAND IN A PHOTO WITH
PUTIN.
I THINK YOU’LL SEE WESTERN
LEADERS OVERALL BE RELUCTANT.
>> Dana: THE G-20 COULD BE OVER.
>> OR OVER FOR THE TIME BEING.
>> Bill: REGARDLESS IT COULD BE