- How old are you?
- 45.
- Okay.
- And how old are you?
- 28.
- Okay.
(both laughing)
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- You're going to be my friend today.
- Wait, wait, wait, wait, can I go like this at least?
Like I don't want just to be, okay.
- Uh.
- Handsome guy.
(laughs)
Probably in his 40s or so.
- Oh man, the first part was good.
- I apologize in advance if I start to giggle.
- Yeah.
- I am nervous, but I didn't even wear a bra today,
'cause I already knew it would have been pointless.
- (Laughs) So I'm ready!
- Oh wow, okay.
- (laughing) That was surprisingly...
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- See I'm a little taller than her but (mumbles).
(giggling)
- It's nice.
- Yeah, it's comfortable.
- Comfort zone.
Advantage of being 5'3".
(both laughing)
- What the hell is prom pose?
- I know, I'm like, I didn't go to prom.
I don't know what prom pose is.
- How does that feel?
- Um, kinda awkward a little.
- Awkward, a little bit?
- A little bit, yeah.
(both laughing)
- Would you rather be on my back?
- Yeah that'd be better.
- Go ahead.
- Just hold her like this?
- Well you gotta put your chest on here, skin to skin.
Ooh yeah (laughing) it feels good.
- So hey, we're supposed to get snow today, too.
- Are we?
- Yeah.
- I like snow.
- I do too. It's fun.
(laughing) I know, I think snow is great.
- I'm just self-conscious about me being too cold
for poor Jim here, my hands.
- There are a little cold, I noticed right away,
but they didn't bother me.
- Right on.
- How old are you?
- 28, how old are you?
Oh my god, I'm 38.
A whole decade older than you are.
- Well you don't look a whole decade older that me,
because you're taking care of yourself.
You're beautiful.
- Thank you (giggles).
- No.
- You guys can go ahead and take a step forward.
Just going to put this kinda generally...
Does that look okay?
- Which side would be better for you?
- I don't care, I could (laughs).
- See, I'm already going for the hand to snuggle.
- You can hold my hand.
- What's the first time you realized
that you were afraid of heights?
- I don't know, I've been afraid ever
since I can remember, you know?
- So I'm trans.
I didn't know I was trans.
Middle school and high school, I thought that all
the girls and all the, well everybody in my class hated me.
- I grew up a born-again fundamentalist
Evangelical Christian family, and somehow
Bowie and Prince made it past my mom.
- I think my biggest fear is probably
growing up, getting old.
Like I'm already buying skin rejuvenation
things and stuff already.
Like, I don't want to get old.
- Do you have any brothers or sisters?
- I have one brother.
- Me too.
- Right on.
- Did you guys get along or did you fight as kids?
- We fought quite a bit.
- Me too.
- I think my favorite childhood memory was
going to Disneyland in the family car back in '77.
- 13 hour back surgery?
- 13 hours, that's what that--
- This? Wow.
- I want to tell you something.
- Uh oh. - You look like a friend
of mine who passed away several years ago
that I really really miss and it made me
really happy when I saw your face.
- I don't hear that I make people happy very often.
It's nice.
- I don't know why I did this, but tearing up
a bunch of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups and putting
them in a bowl and pouring milk over it.
It was before the days of like, Reese's Puffs.
- Oh I love Reese's, that would be so good.
I want to try that when I get home.
(laughing and snorting)
(laughing)
- From an outsider, you would feel that it would be
a lot more awkward, but I feel like the presence
of oxytocin due to the skin-on-skin contact
induces a higher state of trust, making it easier
to converse than if we were just sitting on opposite
sides of the couch, if that makes sense.
- I don't know, I guess it was good for me.
I have this thing against
men in general, so it was a nice experience.
- It's like a very intimate thing,
even when it's not meant to be.
- You definitely break down those barriers of like,
awkwardness faster, 'cause you kinda have to.
- I was comfortable, surprised you didn't do
a little more even.
Maybe stroke each other's face or touch each other,
a little bit like that, that kind of thing,
rather than just a hug.
- Okay to brush your hair? - Sure.
It's a nice physical sensation.
It's not how I usually spend my Sunday mornings, but.
- No.
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