you know our next guest from the film Roger and me it's the highest
grossing documentary in history and he has a new movie entitled the big
one opening April 10th here's Michael Moore Michael good to see you thanks
for you know it seems like the the last thing I heard about you prior to this was you were doing
a television show for Fox and ogj Simpson was a guest on your show now that actually happened is
that right yeah yeah we uh just shot a pilot uh for a a late night show uhhuh oh well not
not at this hour what have you heard um it's like two in the morning and and and and they said get
try to get OJ or you said we'll get or he happen to be in the audience or I had this meeting with
the president of fox he said so uh what kind of guest can you get on your show right so just off
the cuff I just said uh I think Mother Teresa and OJ would be a good combination this was like last
summer and then a week later Mother Teresa died so there you go you're down to OJ yeah then I'm
down to OJ and they they said I got to go get OJ so I actually convinced them to to come on but
you you you must Rec recogniz that as bizarre as everything attending that was and is that things
that happen afterward seem to be just otherworldly that OJ is now you call him up and he says yeah
okay I'll be a guest yeah really yeah yeah he he's watching a movie when I called him Selena
and true and so he he shows up and then what what is kind of the the the the vibe in the room when
it's my next guest OJ comes out I I said uh our next guest is uh star of film and television he
won the Heisman Trophy uh ladies and gentlemen OJ Simpson he comes out the audience is a little
stunned are are they are they stunned angry or are they just stunned they're just stunned they think
that they think actually it's a fake it's it's an actor looking like OJ look alivee right right
there's big business and OJ look alikes these days and I'm telling you if that was your career then
well that's too bad so uh so he sits down and I said to him I said now now do you know the guy
had you a relationship with no I'd never met the guy before in my life no uh he just sits down and
I said uh OG I think we might as well get this out of the way I think the question that's on my mind
and the minds of everyone here is uh do you think that adding 10 yards to the kickoff is ruined
professional football right and um he actually thought I was serious and uh answered the question
and uh then I said you know you know back in back in your day you didn't have all the high-tech
equipment that the players wear today I mean like these days they the guy the receivers have these
really tight fitting gloves that they wear and um then he I you know sort of quad on uh and and
and then but from that point and then you just flat out you just started asking him about the
uh the crime right yeah yeah yeah then we got into the into the whole thing what did you say to him
Killer and did you did he ever look at you like what's up what are you doing to me or was it all
just another day in the life of OJ no he said he said I well I said well you killed him no I
didn't kill him uh I said but you were there you were there maybe you were there and that's when
actually started sweating a little bit uh and I thought what and I've always thought that maybe
you know there's more to this story than what the LA Police you know have told us and we haven't
really heard the whole story but uh and you know we didn't hear it that night either but uh do do
you after after this encounter with uh OJ do you have a different impression of him or of what
might have happened or is it pretty much just uh kind of reinforcing what you already felt or knew
I I feel that I feel that the only person or thing that knows what happened there is the dog the dog
is really was the only witness to this crime uh but uh but he said a number of interesting
things that I thought didn't mean whether or not he killed uh these two people but for instance the
Bronco Chase he said that uh when the first cop car pulled up behind them they actually pulled
over stopped the Bronco got out and uh they then the police had their guns pulled and they Dove
back in and that's when they took off and then the police the television helicopter showed up
I I had I didn't know that and um so that was interesting yeah but he I mean from the from the
point they couldn't find him he was a fugitive in fact I mean it the The Fugitive status did
not begin then right but I never thought I mean a Chase that's 40 m an hour I just kind of was
kind of was getting in the way of the basketball game too as far as I was so you know very bizarre
well um you have a new film a new documentary and this is takes place you're you're on a book tour
out promoting your book and and it occurs to you after a cou couple of unusual events or perhaps
not so unusual events take place well jez maybe I ought to be documenting this on video as well
yeah yeah actually I was I was I was I'd gone to about 15 cities on this tour and I spent most of
the day in the hotel room raiding the mini bar and watching game shows in my underwear so I was
like I was getting kind of bored and I thought bored are you kidding me bored what the hell's
wrong with you I know the mini bar did it for you no it's uh I actually I ended up I was in Detroit
on this tour and I'm I'm in a radio interview and in through the door walks Neil Bush while
I'm in this interview the son of George Bush and he freaks out he goes what are you doing here and
I said what are you doing here he said where's the camera and I said well there's no camera so
it's a little radio interview for a book tour and he comes up to me and he pinches my cheek and he
goes a No cameras a and he walks away I say that's it damn it I'm getting the I'm getting the camera
so so from that so I thanks to George Bush's son I started making this movie yeah it's interesting
to me because I think if you see uh Roger and me it and and forgive me if I'm presuming something
here it looks like the work of a lifetime and maybe there is nothing else to duplicate it you
know what I mean because it seemed so of you so of the time that well maybe that's it in
this one area and and if it is you know God Bless you that's quite an accomplishment but now you've
been able to put together uh just as equally a compelling piece of work oh thank you yeah it's
a it's it's like Roger me but I would say it's it's kind of the uh the Epic version of it I go
to you know a number of cities and it's double the budget it went from $200 to $400,000 he talked to
Phil Knight had Nike about talk to Phil Knight asked him you know why he doesn't make shoes in
this country and he said well because Americans don't want to make shoes I said well that's not
true I'll go back to Flint Michigan and get you 500 people who make shoes for you now he wanted
you to take some of this out of the interview right yes he did did you take some of it out of
the interview no no nothing's no they've been threatening and they're upet and and you asked
him to to open a Nike plant in Flint your hometown to help the economy there and if he did that would
you then take some stuff out of the interview no no I still wouldn't do it no but but I but I will
if if actually he the film opens on April 10th so if he decides to build this Factory before then uh
uh mirax is offered to go in and actually put a little epilog in at the end of the film showing
Phil with a golden shovel we've already bought the shovel and we got the hard hat so it' be
pretty breaking ground if he's a smart man he'll do that I hope so but I I I I believe that the
reason people do this they they kind of Outsource or whatever they call it they take the labor to
other countries because it is less expensive but I just heard on the radio that a pair a new pair
of Air Jordans is1 15 $ a pair right so how much more expensive could they possibly be well they're
paying these kids over there 40 cents an hour to work on assembly lines teenage girls and uh
there's shoe companies here like hush puppies and New Balance that make their shoes in this country
maybe they don't make as much of a profit they still make a profit you know I'm to employ people
I'm going to get a camera and I'm going to go talk to some of your employees and find out what
do you think of that yeah yeah I'm going to get a camera and go talk to your boss at westing house
oh yeah yeah talk to that pin head I'll go with you are you come with me right Michael Moore the
film the big one opens April 10th we'll be right back Michael nice to see you thank [Music] you