Let me ask you this.
We have not spoken since former President Trump sewed up the nomination,
which he did earlier this week, and he has received endorsements from some of
the people who were running against him.
But we have not heard from you.
Will you be endorsing your former president?
You were on the ticket with him last time around.
Well, Martha, I appreciate the question.
And it should come as no surprise that I will not be endorsing
Donald Trump this year.
Okay. Good response.
Strong response.
Equally strong response would have been Martha.
He sent a mob to kill me. But anyway, we're glossing over that.
I know it's uncouth to point out that he sent a chanting mob to hang you.
But anyway, look, regardless, that is Mike pence willing to admit that
he's not going to endorse Donald Trump.
It would have been far easier for him to just go along with it.
The vast majority of Republicans, whether they like Trump or not,
they all pretend to, and they all say that they're going to support Donald Trump.
And that's true for many of the politicians.
It's true for people like Tucker Carlson.
Most of them don't have the balls necessary
to admit that they don't like this guy, and they think he's an agent of chaos.
But Mike pence, eventually, perhaps too late, came to that position, and now he's
saying that he's not going to endorse him.
And I also want to just give you a little bit of his argumentation as to why,
because it's actually multifaceted.
During my presidential campaign, I made it clear that there were profound
differences between me and President Trump on a range of issues, and not just
our difference on my constitutional duties that I exercised on January the 6th.
I mean, as I have watched his candidacy unfold, I've seen him
walking away from our commitment to confronting the national debt.
I've seen him starting to to shy away from a commitment
to the sanctity of human life.
And this last week is his reversal on on getting tough on China and and supporting
our administration's effort to force a sale of of ByteDance, TikTok and each
of these cases, Donald Trump is pursuing an articulating an agenda that is at odds
with the conservative agenda that that we governed on during our four years.
And that's why I cannot in good conscience endorse Donald Trump in this campaign.
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Okay, so in addition to that, he says he's going to keep his vote
private, but not totally private.
He's not going to vote for Biden.
So I guess the options are he's not going to endorse Trump, but he's still going to
vote for him or RFK Jr. I mean, he doesn't strike me as a Cornel West kind of guy.
So I'm not sure if it's as private as he's pretending it's going to be.
- But what do you think? - Yeah.
- I get it. - You want to vote for Jill Stein?
You just don't want to say it. Not a big deal.
Okay?
No, I'm going to say something a little controversial.
I think that Mike pence is probably going to go down
in the history books as an American hero.
So, now Mike pence is.
Okay. Get ready.
Buckle up. Brace for impact.
Okay. Yeah.
I don't you don't have to tell me that Mike pence is an otherwise terrible guy.
Of course he is, right. He wants to take away a woman's freedom.
He's a, you know, Christian fundamentalist.
Doesn't believe really, in a secular government
or our constitution in that regard.
And I can go on and on with all the things that I, have said about Mike pence
and I believe about Mike pence that are all negative.
Okay.
Except that if he had actually gone along with Donald Trump's plot on January 6th,
they might have pulled it off.
Because, remember, it's not about the riot, it's about the fake electors.
And if pence had delayed the proceedings, it would have gone back to the states.
They would have launched a fake electors, and the Republicans would have realized
we just vote according to states in the House, and we could just take
this thing and they could have.
And Mike pence didn't let them. And he protected America in that moment.
So that to me.
Outweighs everything else he's ever done in his life.
And so and here I say today, because it takes some courage to do
what he did today, too, because as you see the Tim Scotts of the world and we're
going to get to him later in the show.
I mean, kissing up to Donald Trump in the most pathetic, groveling ways
and just debasing themselves, right?
Here's a guy who we don't agree with at all on anything else, who at least
has the backbone to say, no, I don't care if he's going up against Joe Biden.
I don't care if, every other Republican is going to hate me for it.
I'm not going to endorse Donald Trump. And, and I, I tip of the hat.
I respect that.
And, look, I think for me, it would have been easy in a no brainer.
The guy tried to get you murdered.
And if you don't know, not only did they chant hang Mike pence, hang Mike pence
as they were going into the Capitol, which we played for you many times.
But on top of that, witnesses say Mark Meadows went into Donald Trump's office
on that day to deliver the message that his supporters were looking to murder Mike
pence, and Trump said he had it coming.
Okay, so you can say, hey, Jake, your bar is too low.
If if when someone says they didn't mind you being murdered by their supporters.
Yeah. I don't think you should endorse them.
But if you're a Republican politician, that is a very high bar,
because all they ever do is grovel and kiss Donald Trump's ass.
So the fact that Mike pence, who was his vice president,
didn't do that at a critical time again, is a great credit to him.
All right. Mondale, what do you think?
I think, you know, when you say Mike pence is going to be, remembered as
an American hero, all I can remember in my head are the names of Confederate generals
Stonewall Jackson, Robert E Lee, Braxton Bragg, and Mike pence.
He's gonna be a hero to that segment of America.
Ain't no way in hell he's an American hero.
Nobody's going to remember that.
And I'm going to tell you why this is not an American politician.
This is not a Republican politician. He didn't he wasn't this courageous.
On the campaign trail. He recognized the tea leaves.
He's done. His political career is over.
There's no more campaigns for Mike pence at all.
So right now, he's trying to carve out a space where he can look like
he has some type of decency.
After this Trump movement is over, this is this.
This is not a politician.
This is someone who was weak as a politician a few months ago,
not strong enough to condemn Trump and this voice until what he see
that he has no opportunity.
I see him just like I see, the rest of the Republicans that stand beside Trump
when he's said and done crazy things about this country that they're supposed
to love, and also the people that they love, like Ted Cruz, who Trump called
their wife's ugly yet and still he's still out here carrying Trump's water.
What Trump said about John McCain and supposedly John McCain's best friend, he
who will not be named Voldemort from South Carolina, still carrying Trump water.
So I just don't see hero in Mike pence.
I see someone looking for a a squirrely way out of what he found themselves in,
which is shh.
I won't say it.
Okay, so I love the show.
I love that we now disagreed on three out of the four stories or so and so,
and there's nothing wrong with that.
We have conversations, etc..
And I want to, say that, Mondale made a great point
about the timing of this statement.
He's right. Mike Pence's political career is over.
Mike Pence didn't say this earlier when he had every opportunity to say it.
He's saying it now because he realizes he's not getting back
in the Trump administration.
Trump has won. He's taken over the RNC.
He's won the Republican Party.
So all Mike pence left has left is, you know, some sort of corporate gig.
And so this is probably a decent transition to it.
And I don't want anybody misunderstanding what I'm saying.
He's not an American hero for saying this today, but for what he did on January 6th
in in not going along with the coup plot.
And again, you could say, hey, low bar.
He didn't participate in a coup, but he was a critical, critical person
that prevented the coup.
And while I had one last positive note about Mike pence, which is that the Secret
Service came to him and said, we got to get you out of the building, because
they're coming for you specifically.
And he said, no, I will not leave until I certify this election.
So I stick by it.
I think they're going to look at him as pretty heroic on that day.
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