>>> I'M APPALLED AND FURIOUS THAT THESE COWARDLY TERRORISTS
WOULD DELIBERATELY TARGET INNOCENT LONDONERS AND
BYSTANDERS ENJOYING THEIR SATURDAY NIGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THESE TERRORISTS WANT TO DO IS DISRUPT
OUR WAY OF LIFE. THEY WANT TO STOP US ENJOYING
MINGLING AND MIXING ON A SATURDAY NIGHT IN THE HEART OF
LONDON HAVING A GOOD TIME. THEY WANT TO STOP US VOTING ON
THURSDAY IN THE GENERAL ELECTIONS AND ENJOYING THE
DEMOCRACY WE HAVE. WE CAN'T LET THEM DO THAT.
WE CAN'T LET THEM WIN. >> GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO
A.M. JOY. THAT WAS THE LONDON MAYOR TODAY
CONDEMNING THE ATTACK THAT LEFT SEVEN DEAD AND 48 INJURED IN THE
HEART OF THE BRITISH CAPITAL ON SATURDAY.
A VAN VEERED OFF THE ROAD AN ON TO THE SIDEWALK RAMMING INTO
PEDESTRIANS. THEN THE ATTACKERS DROVE ON TO
NEARBY BURROW MARKET WITH THREE MEN JUMPED OUT OF THE VAN AND
USED KNIVES TO ATTACK PEOPLE. POLICE SHOT AND KILLED THE
ATTACKERS WITHIN EIGHT MINUTES OF THE START OF THE RAMPAGE.
NO GROUP HAS YET CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY.
IN RESPONSE, DONALD TRUMP DID SOMETHING EXTRAORDINARY FOR AN
AMERICAN PRESIDENT IN THE FACE OF AN ALLY IN DISTRESS.
HE BERATED LONDON'S MAYOR ON TWITTER THIS MORNING WRITING, AT
LEAST 7 DEAD AND 48 WOUNDED IN TERROR ATTACK AND MAYOR OF
LONDON SAYS THERE IS NO REASON TO BE ALARMED!
>> JOINING ME NOW IS LUCY. LUCY, CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE
OF WHERE THINGS STAND AS OF NOW. >> Reporter: I WILL, JOY.
BUT I WANT TO GET TO A RESPONSE WE HEARD FROM THE LONDON MAYOR
IN RESPONSE TO DONALD TRUMP'S TWEETS THROUGH A SPOKESMAN
SAYING WE HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO RIGHT NOW THAN TO
RESPOND TO DONALD TRUMP'S ILL-INFORMED TWEETS.
OBVIOUSLY, THOSE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS ARE THIS ONGOING
INVESTIGATION INTO RESPONSE TO THE DEADLY ATTACKS YESTERDAY
EVENING.
FORENSIC INVESTIGATORS COMBING THROUGH THE CRIME SCENE.
BUT THE PRIMARY FOCUS IS ON THE ATTACKERS THEMSELVES, WHAT MAY
HAVE MOTIVATED THEM, WHO THEY MAY HAVE BHAVE BEEN WORKING WIT.
WE SAW MASSIVE POLICE ACTIVITY IN THE SUBURB IN EAST LONDON
ABOUT 30 MINUTES FROM WHERE I AM.
12 PEOPLE ARRESTED FOR MULTIPLE RAIDS IN THAT AREA AND MORE
PROPERTIES ARE BEING SEARCHED AS WE SPEAK.
THAT GIVES US A CLUE, JOY, THAT THE AUTHORITIES DO HAVE A PRETTY
GOOD SENSE OF WHO THESE ATTACKERS WERE.
THEY'RE PROBABLY REACHING OUT TO ALL OF THEIR OWN CONTACTS,
SEEKING CLUES ABOUT WHAT ORGANIZATIONS THEY MAY OR MAY
NOT HAVE BEEN AFFILIATED WITH, WHAT MOTIVATED THEM AND PERHAPS
MORE IMPORTANTLY WHETHER THEY HAD ANY ACCOMPLICES, ANY OTHER
POTENTIAL THREATS THAT COULD PUT THE PUBLIC AT RISK.
WE DID HERE FROM THE PRIME MINISTER WHO SPOKE OUT NOT JUST
ABOUT THIS ATTACK BUT IT CAME OUT ON THE HEELS OF THE
MANCHESTER ATTACK. WE SAW THE WESTMINSTER ATTACK,
EERILY SIMILAR TO THIS. SAYING THESE ATTACKS ARE NOT
CONNECTED BY COMMON NETWORKS. SHE SAID THEY ARE BOUND TOGETHER
BY WHAT SHE CALLS EVIL IDEOLOGY OF MUSLIM EXTREMISM.
BUT AT THIS STAGE, IT IS A LIVE INVESTIGATION.
WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY MORE DETAILS FROM THE AUTHORITIES
ABOUT WHETHER ANY GROUPS, ANY LARGER NETWORKS WERE ASSOCIATED
WITH THESE THREE MEN WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THE POLICE.
BUT THEY ARE CERTAINLY LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED AS THEY
INVESTIGATE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT. NOW I WANT TO BRING IN MY PANEL.
THANK YOU ALL. I WANT TO COME TO YOU FIRST.
WE PUT UP THAT SERIES OF ATTACKS IN BRITAIN.
WE HAD MARCH 21st, THE PALACE OF WESTMINSTER, SEX DEAD AND ISIS
CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY ON THAT ONE.
THE MANCHESTER ARENA BOMBING AT THE CONCERT AND ISIS CLAIMING
RESPONSIBILITY. 23 DEAD, INCLUDING THE ATTACKER
AND THEN THE JUNE 3rd LONDON ATTACKS.
WHILE THERE IS NO CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY HERE, YOU DO HAVE
AN ELECTION COMING UP IN BRITAIN COMING UP WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK.
YOU JUST HAD THE CONCERT ATTACK WHEN YOU HAD ARIANA GRANDE THERE
AND THERE IS GOING TO BE A RENEWAL OF THAT CONCERT IN
MANCHESTER. DO YOU SEE IN THIS ATTACK THE
THREAD OF IT BEING SOMETHING ISIS RELATED?
>> YOU NEVER KNOW HOW CONNECTED THIS COULD BE TO ISIS OR A
LARGER TERROR NETWORK WITHIN EUROPE OR OUTSIDE OF EUROPE.
BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT ISIS HAS PREACHED THESE KIND OF
ATTACKS.
THEY PREACH RAMMING ATTACKS, STABBING ATTACKS.
THEY FEATURE THAT IN VIDEOS AND SHOWING THEIR OPERATIVES
APPLYING IT ON CAPTURED INDIVIDUALS.
BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THE LARGER PICTURE, ISIS DOES WANT TO MAKE
ITSELF RELEVANT IN ANY CAPACITY. SO WHETHER THE ATTACK THE
ORCHESTRATED OR INSPIRED BY ISIS, ISIS WANTS TO MAKE ITSELF
FEEL PRESENT. SO IF WE SEE A CLAIM OF
RESPONSIBILITY FROM ISIS FOR THIS KIND OF ATTACK, IT IS NOT
CLEAR WHETHER ISIS WOULD SAY WE DIRECTED THIS ATTACK FOR
SOMETHING LIKE -- YOU KNOW, IT IS STILL NOT CLEAR.
BUT ISIS DOES CLAIM RESPONSIBILITY FOR ATTACKS IT
DID NOT ORCHESTRATE. THIS IS SOMETHING TO TO KEEP IN
MIND AS WELL. >> RIGHT.
WE SAW THE ORLANDO ATTACK. THERE IS NO CLEAR LINE BETWEEN
ANY SORT OF TRAINING BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE CLAIM IT TO
MAKE THEMSELVES SEEM MORE IMPORTANT.
AND THE OTHER ISSUE HERE, TOO, IS YOU HAD AT ONE POINT THE SORT
OF ISIS THREAT WAS SEEN AS DRAWING PEOPLE FROM WHERE THEY
LIVE, WHERE LONDON OR FROM, YOU KNOW, BELGIUM OR WHEREVER
THEY'RE FROM AND TELLING THEM TO COME TO WHERE ISIS IS FIGHTING
IN SYRIA AND THERE HAS SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN A SHIFT IN TACTICS
SAYING, NO, STAY WHERE YOU ARE AND DO SOMETHING HORRIBLE.
IS THAT AC ACCURATE? >> YEAH, IT'S ABSOLUTELY
ACCURATE BECAUSE LET'S JUST PUT SOMETHING ON THE TABLE RIGHT
NOW. ISIS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA IS
FINISHED. THEY ARE ON THEIR LAST LEG.
THEY ARE IN THEIR OKINAWA MOMENT.
ALL OF THE MEN THAT HAVE GONE THERE ARE DYING.
SO THEY HAVE SHIFTED TO A STRATEGY CALLED JIHAD IN PLACE
WHERE THEY WANT YOU TO REMAIN IN YOUR COUNTRY AND BE INSPIRED.
THAT IS ALL THE VIDEOS AND INSPIRATION MATERIALS THEY LEFT
ON LINE AND THEY WILL STILL HAVE MENTALLY UNSTABILITY PEOPLE,
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES CLAIM
THESE ATTACKS AND USE THOSE INSPIRATIONAL TOOLS IN ORDER TO
CARRY OUT TERROR. >> AND, JACK, YOU LOOK AT THE
WAY THAT LONDON HAS RESPONDED, THE RESILIENCY OF NOT ONLY THE
CITIZENS IN LONDON, BUT THE LEADERSHIP THERE AS WELL.
WE HEARD A RESPONSE OF THE LONDON MAYOR TO DONALD TRUMP'S
REALLY RATHER UNPRECEDENTED ATTACK ON HIM, ATTACK ON AN
ALLY.
AND NOW THIS ADDITIONALLY FROM HIS TWITTER FEED.
HE SAID WE ARE ALL SHOCKED AND ANGRY TODAY, BUT THIS IS OUR
CITY. WE WILL NEVER LET THESE COWARDS
WIN. IS THAT THE WAY TO RESPOND THE
MOST EFFECTIVELY TO ENTITIES LIKE ISIS?
>> I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IS A PHILOSOPHICAL ONE,
YES. THE IDEA YOU CAN COME AT THIS
WITH BOMBS IS SOMETHING THAT FAILS DRAMATICALLY.
WE'RE SEEING THAT IN NORTHERN IRAQ AND SYRIA.
BUT WHAT'S PUSHING THEM OUT AND WHAT CREATED TRACTION FOR
AL-QAEDA WAS THAT OVERREACTION FROM THE WEST.
WE SAW WHAT THE UNITED STATES DID IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN AND
ELSEWHERE, AND THE PROBLEM IS IT IT ACTUALLY CREATED MORE
TERRORISTS THAN IT KILLED. WE CAN MAKE A LOT OF BOMBS.
WE CAN MAKE A LOT OF BULLETS AND KILL A LOT OF PEOPLE.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE WILL CREATE MORE ENEIES THAN WE TAKE
DOWN AND WE ALWAYS NEED TO REMEMBER THAT.
>> I WANT TO LET YOU SORT OF EVALUATE THE PRIME MINISTER, WHO
IS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION NEXT WEEK, ACTUALLY.
THIS WAS THERESA MAY THIS MORNING.
>> WE BELIEVE WE ARE EXPERIENCING A NEW TREND IN THE
THREAT WE FACE. AS TERRORISM BREEDS TERRORISM
AND PERPETRATORS ARE INSPIRED TO ATTACK, NOT ONLY THE BASIS OF
CAREFULLY CONSTRUCTED PLOTS OF YEARS OF PLANNING AND TRAINING
AND NOT EVEN AT LOAN ATTACKERS RADICALIZED ON LINE BUT BY
COPYING ONE ANOTHER AND OFTEN USING THE CRUDEST OF MEANS OF
ATTACK. >> AND WHAT IS THE PROPER
RESPONSE TO THAT? BECAUSE INDEED YOU HAVE A
COSMOPOLITAN CITY LIKE LONDON WHERE YOU HAVE LOTS OF FREEDOM
OF MOVEMENT. THERE IS NOT AN OBVIOUS WAY TO
STOP SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING.
>> NO, THERE IS NOT. AND I THINK IN SOME WAYS WE HAVE
TO THINK ABOUT IT LIKE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS IN THE UNITED STATES.
WHEN YOU HAVE AVAILABLE IDEOLOGIES OUT THERE, THEY ARE
GOING TO BE APPEALING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE MENTALLY ILL OR
EXTREMELY ANGRY. YOU CAN'T KEEP EVERYBODY AWAY
FROM EVERY WEAPON. YOU CAN'T BAN PEOPLE FROM DRIVES
CARS OR VANS. YOU CAN'T KEEP GUNS OUT OF
PEOPLE'S HANDS. THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN.
AND I THINK THAT ESSENTIALLY THE WAY TO MANAGE THEM, THERE IS NO
SILVER BULLET. WE HAVE TO BE DOING GOOD
DETECTIVE WORK. WE HAVE TO BE GETTING
COMMUNITIES TO COLLABORATE TO RAISE THE ALARM WHEN SOMEBODY IS
ACTING WEIRD AND ACTING IN A WAY THAT SEEMS LIKE THEY MIGHT BE
PLANNING SOME KIND OF ATTACK. WE HAVE TO NOT OVERREACT.
I THINK THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL POINT.
THAT IS WHAT TERRORISTS WANT. THAT'S WHY WE CALL THEM
TERRORISTS AND THE MORE WE REWARD THEM BY GOING, OH, MY
GOD, YOU HAVE STRUCK A TERRIBLE BLOW AT OUR SOCIETY, THE MORE WE
THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
YOU GET FAMOUS, PEOPLE PANIC. WHEREAS THE MORE WE SAY THIS IS
AWFUL, YOU'RE MENTALLY ILL AND A CRIMINAL, THE MORE WE REDUCE THE
TEMPTATION. >> THAT HAPPENED IN NEW YORK, A
DRAW FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COMMIT INSANE ACTS.
BUT YOU ALSO HAD IN PORTLAND ALMOST A MIRROR IMAGINE OF THIS
KIND OF ATTACK. SOMEBODY WITH A KNIFE
RADICALIZED AGAINST MUSLIMS AS OPPOSED TO RADICALIZED IN THE
OTHER DIRECTION. SO I'M INTERESTED IN THE WAY
THAT OUR PRESIDENT RESPONDED TO THIS, DONALD TRUMP.
HE WENT ON A TWEET STORM ABOUT THE ATTACKS IN LONDON.
WE'LL JUST PUT UP A COUPLE OF THEM.
HE SAID DO YOU NOTICE WE'RE NOT HAVING A GUN DEBATE NOW?
WE MUST STOP BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT AND GET DOWN TO BUSINESS
OF SECURITY FOR OUR PEOPLE. IF WE DON'T GET SMART, IT WILL
ONLY BE WORSE. WE NEED THE COURTS TO GIVE US
BACK OUR RIGHTS. WE NEED THE TRAVEL BAN A EXTRA
LEVEL OF SAFETY. >> IT IS RATCHETING UP THE FEAR.
BUT LET ME JUST SAY AS A MUSLIM AMERICAN BECAUSE MOST AMERICANS
DON'T GET TO SEE US AFTER THESE ATTACKS TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.
I CAN SHARE WHAT I'M SEEING ON FACEBOOK FROM MUSLIMS AROUND THE
WORLD. FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS PRAYERS.
OUR HEARTS GO OUT TO THE VICTIMS.
WE DESPISE THEM. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
ISLAM. THEY ARE THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN PARADISE.
THEY ARE IN THE HELL BURNING FOREVER.
THEY INVOKE ISLAM, DEFINE IT, KILL PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF OUR
FAITH AND THEN WE SUFFER A BACKLASH LIKE IN PORTLAND.
WE'VE HAD FIVE MOSQUES BURNED DOWN UNDER SUSPICIOUS
CIRCUMSTANCES. THEY ARE NOT OF THEIR COMMUNITY
OR FAITH. MANCHESTER WE KNOW SOMEONE IN
THAT COMMUNITY TURNED THEM. IN ORLANDO A FELLOW MUSLIM
TURNED THEM INTO THE FBI. JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE WANT TO SEE
THEM KILLED AND NEUTRALIZED MORE THAN PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITHS WANT
TO SEE THEM KILLED AND NEUTRALIZED.
JUST SO IT IS CLEARS FROM MUSLIM POINT OF VIEW, THESE ARE
DESPICABLE PEOPLE WHOSE AGENDA IS EVIL, NOT ISLAM.
THEY ARE ENEMIES OF ISLAM. >> WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE
BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY THE REASON WE WANTED TO HAVE YOU
HERE BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY
ITSELF. MY GUESTS WILL ALL BE BACK.
LEADERS FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM RESPONDED WITH CALM RESOLVE.
>> THE WHOLE OF OUR COUNTRY NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER TO TO TA
THIS ON AND WE NEED TO LIVE OUR LIVES NOT IN A SERIES OF
SEPARATED, SEGREGATED COMMUNITIES, BUT AS ONE TRULY
UNITED KINGDOM. >> ELECTIONS ARE A WONDERFUL
THING. AND THAT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS
THESE TERRORISTS HATE AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO IS SHOW WE
ARE NOT GOING TO BE COWARD BY VOTING AND SHOWING THE
IMPORTANCE OF OUR DEMOCRACY,