details but without further ado got Jennifer LeClaire online hey Jennifer
welcome back to the line of fire hey dr. Brown how are you doing well so
little did I know that our short little interview about 10 days ago would would
spiral into me now being told if I don't disassociate you as a false teacher
which I understand means a hellbound a heretic and deceiver that I I myself
am a hellbound heretic and deceiver I'm sure that's not the first you've heard
that but came with a bit of a swirl I did send you a few of the links just
just a glance at but Jennifer first let me ask let me ask this Oh what what
matters to you most what do you live for what what mousse I know you're you're
you're a wife your mother your you work at Christmas cetera but the core of your
being what moves you what motivates you you know intimacy with God in 2010 the
Lord told me to make prayer my life's work and so although I write books and I
do TV and radio and editor of charisma you know my heartbeat is prayer and that
requires intimacy with God it requires leading on his breast listening to his
heart and and that's really the core of Who I am is just trying to walk with the
Lord walk in the word you know I think that you know a nutshell I'm a word
person I'm also a spirit person I try I strive for that balance between being
grounded abruzzi to the word and also being open to what the Holy Spirit is
saying and wants to do and tell me the difference between sensing the Lord is
speaking to you versus the written word well you know the written word is
infallible our hearing our spiritual hearing is not infallible anyone is
capable of being to see that we can always rely lean on depend on the the
holy inspired Holy Spirit inspired Word of God is possible for correction for
instruction for rebuke and so you know primarily the Word of God is what must
ultimately guide us but at the same time there is revelation from the Holy Spirit
the Bible says he will lead us in guidance into all truth
it says so put words in our mouths when we need them you know it says he'll
comfort us and so you know the Bible also Jesus said that that God man shall
not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds
out of the mouth of God and the tenth there indicates that God is still
speaking and so we cannot just say well you know if it's not in the Bible if
that experience is not in the Bible and we have to negate it there are people
that have had experiences like Bill Johnson you know where where there's
things with angels that we don't understand there's things like Ezekiel
experience with the wheel within a wheel and you know all these you know living
creatures in the book of Revelation you know there's abstract things but
again I'm one that's been more historically and presently a stickler
for it being in the word I'm not on the fringes I'm weary of things you know
with too many angel feathers too much gold dust gemstones all that really sort
of causes me pause I don't speak against it because you
know I can't say that it's not God so but I've always been more conservative
in that realm and how do you feel about lack of accountability among certain
prophetic people in the charismatic movement does that concern you it does
concern me we call them lone Ranger's or renegades where they sort of spout off
we see a lot of prophetic opinion a lot of subjective experiences that aren't
even within the bounds of reality of Scripture in other words there's some
things that we don't maybe find in Scripture and the Bible says that if we
recorded all the works that Jesus did there would not be enough books in the
world - you know there would not be enough room in the world for all the
books they would they would they would offer you know but there are some things
that justify Scripture it's not that you can't find it in Scripture that you
can't find the principle in Scripture you can't find the indication it's just
defy Scripture and we're seeing some of that in prophetic ministry where people
are giving angels very very strange names I've spoken out against some of
these things people are selling prophetic words all this is very
troublesome to me and I've been very vocal about it yes so there's one thing
to say this is extra biblical in other words we don't find this specifically in
the Bible you could argue that the use of of instruments musical instruments is
not explicitly found in the New Testament but you find it in most of our
churches it's not unbiblical but it would be unbiblical to say that that
Satan is Lord so we understand those differences and and Jennifer within
charisma itself let's say someone writes in and they
said they have this amazing healing testimony and it's the most incredible
thing do you require documentation before you
print that it depends if they're saying they raised the dead yes we will get a
doctor's report if there's a you know Randy Clark has a great project but he's
gone around and document those kind of healings we do ask for documentation now
someone says I was in a prayer line I laid hands on somebody and they had a
headache and the headache went away or ears opened up if they're not naming
names and they're sort of giving testimony or anecdotes based on you know
to teach your principal as long as they're not naming names no we don't ask
for that level of indication but if they're saying cancer was healed you
know a dead person was raised those kind of things absolutely we get verification
yeah I remember something happening a few years ago and that's why they came
to my attention that Krissy said no we need medical documentation before we
print that all right last question this whole thing
about quote a sneaky squid spirit that the pastor called in and said you had a
guest on and she believes in a sneaky squid spirit and I saw sneaky I'm in the
devil sneaker that's not an issue there but I have no idea how a demons gonna be
manifesting it sounded very weird to me you know honestly I've never heard heard
of the thing but seem very weird to me but I thought you know if the Bible
depicts Satan is seven headed dragon and you've got angels with four different
faces in Hawaiian ox eagle man I don't know could it could that could be
symbolic of tentacles or something so since since you wrote about it just
take a minute to explain what you understand it was this something
symbolic or not yeah I think being symbolic you know for example we have
the Jezebel spirit now we don't I don't think there's a thing called Jezebel I
think it's essentially spirit of seduction because in Revelation 2 and 20
Jesus speaks to this woman who calls herself a Jezebel who teaches who calls
herself a prophetess teaches and seduces and so you know I believe the spirit of
seduction we use it in Jezebel because we you know we like to have a bit common
vernacular to explain things to talk about things you know it's the same way
the devil the dragon is Kabbalah's the Lord he's not a rock he's not a fortress
in the in the general sense they weren't that realistic you know Jesus is not
only the Holy Spirit is not heed of the we
sort of used symbols you know we see that in Scripture so you know it's sort
sometimes in the deliverance ministry in the spiritual warfare ministry we
describe things by their function and so when someone is feeling a squeezing
pressure on their head and it's affecting their nervous system you know
it could be its recall different thing I know people who are not chairs might if
won't understand this but you know things like a pipe off here we get that
from the woman with the spirit of divination and the book of Acts Paul
encountered her in that word divination is from the Greek word psycho stay right
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open 866 3 4 truth so speaking with Jennifer LeClaire either of charisma
she mentioned acts 16:16 we see in our English translations that this slave
girl had a spirit of divination and yes in Greek the word divination comes from
the Greek word Python there's lexicon points out in Greek mythology the name
of the Pythian spirit or dragon that dwelt in the region of Pythia at the
foot of Parnassus and focus and was said to have guarded the Oracle of Delphi had
been slain by Apollo so this Python spirit then became the name for spirit
of divination and Jennifer's just mentioning that in the same way some
people who are engaging in spiritual warfare Ephesians 6:12 we don't wrestle
with flesh and blood but with principalities and powers of darkness
these satanic entities these demonic spirits that sometimes they'll be
they'll be given names and referred to in certain ways so hang on just have a
slight malfunction on my screen here John if you could just put Jennifer back
on with us that would be great so you were explaining then that sometimes
terminology may be used that this was not an actual snake python but it was
just a description of this spirit of divination and sometimes in spiritual
warfare you or others have done similar things is that the point you were making
it is we have to have some kind of common language to begin to discuss
these things so that's that's the bottom line with with that right so the I sent
you a transcript that was sent to me by a friend that that raised charges
against you and said that you've given false prophecies or said other things
etc has this individual ever contact you and
raise concerns to you no I've never even heard of them before
I was not surprised you know because I saw what his spiritual background was
and understood that he doesn't believe in prophecy so you don't believe in
prophecy to begin with certainly any prophecy that's uttered out of anyone's
mouth would be considered false right right exactly and it would be now adding
revelation do you think it's best obviously some people are not accessible
you know I might write an open letter to to Miley Cyrus you know like I did a
couple weeks course it's redemptive and every word I'm writing I'm writing to be
read publicly but if I had access to I'd reach out to her if there was some of
that that I find a way to get to someone I'd reach out to them and then if I
can't reach out to them their doors closed then then I'll address what I
have to if it's a public issue but you think it's best if people do reach out
directly so you can have interactions that scene the more constructive way it
does now their motives matter I mean if they're just bent on attacking that
there's no real used in dialoguing much if they want to have a true dialogue
where they're seeking to understand it really concerned that you know for my
well-being that's a whole different story I find some of these guys that do
sorts of things like this where they crash you on the radio and all these
sorts of things publicly without ever speaking they're actually violating
scripture they're violating Matthew 18 the principles they're in so you know it
concerns me for them it doesn't bother me I like you have learned to take these
things and rejoice in them because it's persecution I answer to the Lord and I
have accountability all around and about me so you know it's unfortunate but we
deal with it got it hey I appreciate you taking time to join us today and just
address some of these things again my goal and I said through the show is not
to bash and attack people I'm not here to hurt people I'm here to help as much
as possible so thank you for weighing in much appreciate it
hey Johnny let's just get our next caller on the line welcome to