NEXT ON "MORNING JOE." >>> ON THE ISSUE OF BUSING,
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS PERSONAL TO
ME.
ME. I REMEMBER GETTING ON THAT
YELLOW BUS.
YELLOW BUS. YOU KNOW?
YOU KNOW? AND SO MANY OF US DO AND
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH SINCE I
TALKED ABOUT IT PEOPLE WHO I
DON’T KNOW HAVE REACHED OUT.
THEY ALSO -- ESPECIALLY IN THE
’70s ALL ACROSS OUR COUNTRY
PEOPLE WERE BUSSED.
PEOPLE JUST LIKE ME.
>> I HEARD AND I LISTENED TO AND
I RESPECT SENATOR HARRIS, BUT
YOU KNOW WE ALL KNOW THAT 30
SECONDS TO 60 SECONDS ON A
CAMPAIGN DEBATE EXCHANGE CAN’T
DO JUSTICE TO A LIFETIME
COMMITTED TO CIVIL RIGHTS.
I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER EVER
OPPOSED VOLUNTARY BUSING.
AND AS A PROGRAM THAT SENATOR
HARRIS PARTICIPATED IN AND IT
MADE A DIFFERENCE IN HER LIFE.
I DID ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF
SEGREGATION IN OUR COMMUNITIES
AND OUR SCHOOLS AND I HAVE BEEN
IN A FAVOR OF OVERCOMING THE
STATE INITIATED SEGREGATION.
>> THAT’S FORMER VICE PRESIDENT
JOE BIDEN SPEAKING AT THE
RAINBOW PUSH COALITION IN
CHICAGO AND HE CONTINUES TO
RESPOND TO THE OPPOSITION TO
BUSING WHICH WAS A FLASH POINT
BETWEEN HIM AND SENATOR KAMALA
HARRIS IN THE DEBATE.
IN A NEW POLL, BIDEN IS AT 33%,
DROPPING FIVE POINTS FROM THE
BEGIN OF LAST WEEK.
SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS REMAINS
LEVEL AT 19%.
SENATOR HARRIS HAS DOUBLED HER
SUPPORT, UP SIX POINTS TO 12
POINTS.
POINTS. ELIZABETH WARREN AT THIRD.
AND BETO O’ROURKE AND ANDREW
YANG AT 2%.
THE DATA COMPILED BY THE POLLING
FIRM DEMOCRACY CORPS SHOW
BIDEN’S FAVORABILITY WITH
AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS ACTUALLY
GOING UP A NET 18% AFTER THE
DEBATE.
DEBATE. POLLSTER STAN GREENBERG CHALKED
THAT UP TO DEFENSIVENESS OVER
THE PERCEPTION THAT THE ATTACKS
ON BIDEN WERE ATTACKS ON THE
BIDEN/OBAMA LEGACY AND THOSE WHO
WOULD CONSIDER VOTING FOR BIDEN
WENT DOWN 11 POINTS FROM 81% TO
72%.
72%. JOINING US NOW, WHITE HOUSE
CORRESPONDENT FOR PBS NEWS HOUR,
AND "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTER.
AS WE PUT THE MORNING CONSULT
POLL UP, IT SHOWS KAMALA HARRIS
AS PEOPLE EXPECTED GETTING A
NICE BUMP FROM HER PERFORMANCE
AT THE DEBATE AND JOE BIDEN
TICKING DOWN A BIT.
HOW BIG OF A PROBLEM DO YOU
EXPECT THIS BUSING QUESTION IS
FOR JOE BIDEN IN THE EDGE
THEIC -- DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY?
>> WELL, IT WENT TO THE CORE
ISSUES AND THAT’S ISSUES OF
IDENTITY, ISSUES OF DIVERSITY
AND ISSUES OF REPRESENTATION.
SHE SAID AS THE ONLY BLACK WOMAN
ON THIS STAGE, I WANT TO HAVE A
MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT RACE.
WHAT SHE WAS DOING, I WANT TO
TALK ABOUT I’M A WOMAN AND I’M
BLACK AND MAKE THAT CENTRAL TO
MY CAMPAIGN.
MY CAMPAIGN. AND ALSO BRINGING UP HER MERITS
SO TO THE STAGE -- TO THE STAGE.
I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE CIVIL
RIGHTS ACTIVISTS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY WHO TELL ME THEY’RE NOT
TRYING TO LET UP, THEY WANT TO
KEEP TALKING ABOUT JOE BIDEN’S
HISTORY AND THEY SEE IT
PROBLEMATIC.
PROBLEMATIC. THREE CAN SEE A RISE IN THE
POLLS AND HER CAMPAIGN OVER THE
WEEKEND SENT OUT NEW
FUND-RAISING NUMBERS, THEY
RAISED ABOUT $2 MILLION RIGHT
AFTER THE DEBATE.
SHE’S NOT JUST RISING IN THE
POLL BUT GETTING MORE MONEY.
SO I THINK SENATOR HARRIS, SHE
MIGHT AT SOME POINT BECOME THE
FRONT-RUNNER, BUT THIS IS A
LONG, LONG RACE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK JOE
BIDEN ALSO HAS THIS IDEA THAT HE
HAS ALL THE SUPPORT FROM JESSE
JACKSON AND OTHER PEOPLE.
WHO HAVE QUESTIONED HIS BUSING
POLICIES BUT ARE ALSO OPEN TO
HAVING HIM IN FORUMS AND HOSTING
HIM.
HIM. >> AND HE’S GOTTEN SUPPORT FROM
PEOPLE LIKE JOHN LEWIS AND JIM
CLYBURN AS WELL IN THE LAST
COUPLE OF WEEKS.
JEREMY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES OBVIOUSLY NOT BEEN
SHY ABOUT GOING AFTER SOME OF
THE MEMBERS OF THE FIELD IN THE
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY HERE.
BUT HASN’T HAD MUCH TO SAY ABOUT
SENATOR HARRIS SINCE THIS
CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED AND YOU HAVE
NEW REPORTING THAT THEY’RE
CONCERN ABOUT HER AS AN
OPPONENT.
OPPONENT. >> WELL, WILLIE, WHAT JOE
BIDEN’S PERFORMANCE AND KAMALA
HARRIS’S CONFRONTATION OF HIM ON
THURSDAY NIGHT DID WAS RESET A
COUPLE OF IMPORTANT ASSUMPTIONS
ABOUT THE RACE.
ONE, IT GAVE US A GLIMPSE OF
WHAT SHE MIGHT LOOK LIKE AS A
DEBATE SPARRING PARTNER AGAINST
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND IT WAS A PRETTY FIERCE
PERFORMANCE.
PERFORMANCE. NUMBER TWO IT KIND OF SHATTERED
THIS AURA OF INVINCIBILITY, OF
DOMINANCE, THAT JOE BIDEN HAD
ENJOYED FOR REALLY LONG TIME.
AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN --
PRESIDENT TRUMP HIMSELF
ESPECIALLY HASN’T REALLY FIGURED
OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH KAMALA
HARRIS.
HARRIS. HE KNOWS HOW TO ATTACK SOMEBODY
LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN.
HE CAN RIDICULE HER ABOUT THE
POCAHONTAS THING OR CALL HER
GOOFY, HE KNOWS HOW TO GO AFTER
JOE BIDEN.
JOE BIDEN. HE’S TOLD AIDES THAT HE SEES JOE
BIDEN AS A MALE VERSION OF
HILLARY CLINTON.
HILLARY CLINTON. THIS IS FAMILIAR TERRITORY TO
HIM.
HIM. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE FEMALE
ADVERSARY, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS
SHOWN TIME AND TIME AGAIN HE
DOES NOT TAKE CRITICISM FROM
WOMEN WELL AT ALL.
COUPLE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT
SHE IS A MINORITY AND I JUST
DON’T THINK HE CAN HANDLE THAT.
HAVING THAT ON TOP OF CRITICISM
FROM THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN,
A PROSECUTOR WHO KNOWS HOW TO GO
FOR HIS WEAKNESSES, KNOWS HOW TO
GO THE WEAKNESSES OF ALL OF HER
OPPONENTS AS SHE DEMONSTRATED
WITH JOE BIDEN IS SOMETHING HE’S
NOT BEEN PROCESSED AND HAS BEEN
UNABLE TO SETTLE ON A LINE OF
ATTACK ABOUT HER AND WE’LL KIND
OF SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.
>> DURING THURSDAY’S DEMOCRATIC
DEBATE, DONALD TRUMP JR. SHARED
A TWEET THAT QUESTIONED SENATOR
KAMALA HARRIS’S RACE.
THE RETWEET OF ALT-RIGHT
COMMENTATOR ALI ALEXANDER SAID
QUOTE, KAMALA HARRIS IS IMPLYING
SHE’S DESCENDED FROM AMERICAN
BLACK SLAVES, SHE IS NOT.
SHE COMES FROM JAMAICAN SLAVE
OWNERS, SHE’S NOT AN AMERICAN
BLACK PERIOD.
BLACK PERIOD. AND TRUMP JR. SAID IS THIS TRUE,
WOW.
WOW. BY THE END OF THE NIGHT HE HAD
DELETED THAT RETWEET.
A SPOKESPERSON FOR DON JR. SAID
IT WAS HIM ASKING IF IT WAS TRUE
THAT KAMALA HARRIS WAS HALF
INDIAN BECAUSE IT’S NOT
SOMETHING HE HAD EVER HEARD
BEFORE AND ONCE HE SAW THAT
FOLKS WERE MISCONSTRUING THE
INTENT OF HIS TWEET, HE QUICKLY
DELETED IT.
DELETED IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAW THIS EARLY
ATTACK ON KAMALA HARRIS AND
SAID, HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH
REFLECTIONS BACK TO THE BIRTHER
MOVEMENT OF WHICH DONALD TRUMP
WAS THE LEAD CHEERLEADER.
>> WELL, WHAT WE LEARNED FROM
DONALD TRUMP JR. DELETING THAT
TWEET IS THAT BIRTHERISM 2.0
LIKELY WILL NOT WORK.
BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN IT.
AND LET’S PUT IT OUT PLAINLY.
WHEN YOU’RE QUESTIONING
SOMEONE’S BACKGROUND OF
AFRICAN-AMERICAN DESCENT IT’S
RACISM THERE.
RACISM THERE. SOMEHOW HER BEING OF INDIAN AND
JAMAICAN DESCENT DOESN’T MAKE
HER HAVE THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN
EXPERIENCE,WHEN SHE WAS BORN AND
BUSSED IN AMERICA, IT GETS TO
THE CORE OF THE ISSUES WE’RE
DEALING WITH STILL WHICH IS THAT
PEOPLE WANT TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO
REALLY DIVIDE THE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND
SAY, WELL, YOUR BOAT STOPPED IN
JAMAICA OR HAITI AND YOU
SHOULDN’T GET ALONG AND THAT’S
SIMPLY RACIST.
SIMPLY RACIST. PEOPLE ARE SMARTER THIS TIME
AROUND.
AROUND. I THINK PEOPLE ARE READY TO CALL
THIS OUT VERY QUICKLY AND I
THINK THAT’S WHY YOU SAW DONALD
TRUMP JR. DELETE THAT TWEET.
THEY DON’T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH
SENATOR HARRIS NOW.
BUT THEY HAVE LEARNED THAT
BIRTHERISM IS NOT THE WAY TO
DEAL WITH HER.
>> IT’S RACIST GARBAGE THAT USED
TO EXIST ON THE FRINGES BUT HAS
BEEN ELEVATED BY PEOPLE LIKE
DON JR. RETWEETING IT.
FIRST FUND RAISING NUMBERS OF
THE SECOND QUARTER ARE IN AND
THE PETE BUTTIGIEG CAMPAIGN SAID
IT’S RAISED $25 MILLION FROM
294,000 DONORS WITH AN AVERAGE
CONTRIBUTION OF LESS THAN $48.
THE WANT PAIN SAYS IT HAS MORE
THAN $22 MILLION IN CASH ON
HAND.
HAND. THAT’S AN EYE POPPING NUMBER FOR
A GUY WHO’S QUIETLY HAVING A
GOOD NIGHT IN THE DEBATE.
>> THAT’S RIGHT, WILLIE.
IT IS ENORMOUS.
AND THAT COMES FROM 400,000
DONORS OVER THE COURSE OF THE
FIRST AND SECOND PERIOD, SO THAT
SUGGESTS A REAL GRASS ROOTS
MOVEMENT THERE FOR PETE
BUTTIGIEG.
BUTTIGIEG. ALSO IT SHOWS THOUGH THAT HE’S
HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS AS WE HAVE
REPORTED RAISING MONEY FROM MORE
TRADITIONAL SOURCES OF
DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGN FINANCE.
YOU HAVE SILICON VALLEY,
HOLLYWOOD, THAT’S AN AWFUL LOT
OF LGBT MONEY IN THERE TOO.
SO HE’S KIND OF SPREADING
HIMSELF OUT IN A PRETTY
STRATEGIC WAY HERE.
I WOULD SAY THOUGH, HOWEVER,
THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE LAGGING
INDICATORS.
INDICATORS. THEY’RE NOT LEADING INDICATORS.
THEY HAVE TOLD US WHAT HE RAISED
IN THE SECOND QUARTER.
NOW, HE’S HAD A COUPLE NOTABLE
POLITICAL STUMBLES.
POLITICAL STUMBLES. THIS ISSUE IN SOUTH BEND WITH
THE ANGER IN THE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY OVER
THE POLICE SHOOTING HAS BEEN A
REAL PROBLEM FOR HIM.
IS HE GOING TO GET PAST THAT?
HAS THAT KIND OF DENTED HIS
POPULARITY?
POPULARITY? WE HAVEN’T SEEN THAT MANY POLL
NUMBERS TO TELL US ANYTHING
ALONG THOSE LINES, BUT MONEY
ISN’T EVERYTHING.
ISN’T EVERYTHING. HE’S GOT TO BE A CONSISTENT
PERFORMER ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL
GOING FORWARD.
GOING FORWARD. >> $22 MILLION WILL KEEP YOU
AROUND FOR A WHILE.
>> A GOOD SUBSTITUTE FOR
CONSISTENCY.
CONSISTENCY. IT’S NOW JULY, THE NEXT
DEMOCRATIC DEBATES COME AT THE
END OF THIS MONTH.
IS THERE ANY TALKING ABOUT
CHANGING THE FORMAT OR THE
CRITERIA FOR PARTICIPATION?
BECAUSE THERE’S AN ARGUMENT THAT
THIS IS NOT HELPING THE
CANDIDATES OR THE STRENGTH OF
WHOEVER’S GOING TO BE AT THE TOP
OF THE TICKET.
AND DO YOU SEE THE PARTY
ACCOMPLISHMENT IS RETHINKING THE
THRESHOLDS FOR PARTICIPATION IN
ORDER TO SHRINK THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE STANDING ON THE STAGE?
>> I’M NOT QUITE SURE IF WE
GOING TO SEE A DIFFERENT FORMAT.
IT WAS OBVIOUSLY HARD FOR SOME
CANDIDATES TO GET IN.
YOU THINK OF YANG AND MARIANNE
WILLIAMSON.
WILLIAMSON. THEY ONLY TALKED FOR A COUPLE OF
MINUTES EACH SO I THINK WHAT
WE’RE SEEING IS THAT PEOPLE
REALIZE THAT IF YOU WANT A
VIGOROUS DEBATE ABOUT POLICIES,
YOU MIGHT WANT TO WHITTLE THAT
DOWN A BIT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE
DEMOCRATS THAT ARE STILL RAISING
A LOT OF MONEY, THAT ARE STILL
IN SOME WAYS POLLING PRETTY WELL
AND IT’S STILL SO EARLY THAT I
THINK WHEN YOU SAW TWO DEBATE
NIGHTS THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY VERY
DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I
TALKED TO ESPECIALLY DEMOCRATS
SAID THEY LIKED THE IDEA THAT IT
WAS ABOUT POLICY, VIGOROUS
POLICY DEBATES.
POLICY DEBATES. IT WASN’T ABOUT WHO CAN GO AFTER
DONALD TRUMP THE MOST SO I THINK
WE HAVE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT --
I THINK CNN HAS THE NEXT DEBATE
IN DETROIT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY
LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED WITH NBC
AND SAYS OKAY MAYBE WE SHOULD
CHANGE THIS.
CHANGE THIS. >> JEREMY PETERS THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
MUCH. AND YAMICHE, STAY WITH US.
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