welcome back to david packard should join me is bill share from liberal oasis
dot com campaign for america's future bill was recently filling in for lou s
and some people may be surprised in back so soon but he had a great
accomplishment
having an editorial published in the new york times on sunday and the editorials
interesting because
and correct me if i'm wrong bill i would paraphrase it is saying you make the
case that may be
democrats showed as opposed to criticizing the effect of corporate
influence on politics
embrace it and do everything they can to get corporations to help push
progressive politics and i somewhat close on that
clothes are converted
quite like that it's not that i'm saying that papa influences awesome and we
should and we should present i'd say let's let's be big boys and girls and
recognize that you is
ities s is always existed uh... ad
the great liberal which he wins have been uh... done by prayer dissidents too
who looked extremely i added hard bargaining with corporations
and did it go and do it saying
uh... ideally extinguish this or eliminate it
goes with that would presence of tried to do that
now really do they lose the battle but they often lose the war two and i think
in particular a bill clinton health care
and jimmy carter
and energy
uh... win
they tried it
just take god those corporate interests had a on
italian and get the bills that they wanted
but they set their own political capital
uh... they scare of all our politicians and dealing with that issue for for more
than a decade
and they'd be crippled their own ability to implement other progressive reforms
because they were so damaged whereas when you look at f_d_r_ to l_b_j_ even
though we we could talk about them as if they
uh... did matter at your book by studentship
in fact there are several instances where they
they cut deals of corporations to get there from the door moved the ball four
and that help build momentum for more progress reform over time
right when you talk about new deal legislation and the united states
chamber of commerce playing a pub but at least
playing a role in that
uh... the thing i would question though is a lot of these organizations the
chamber of commerce is an interesting one specifically bat organization i
don't know that today you're going to be able to get them to help push any kind
of of legislation that goes on the left would be interested in because that
organization itself has changed
well probably but
not only did the the chamber of commerce hell
at f_d_r_ pass his recovery act
they helped a lot of passes recovery act
arielle looked at their their copy resume the recovery act there are more
had business tax cut ucts
perhaps you and i would want to have seen
you can make a case that it made for a week erbil you to make the case and if
you have recovery act was weaker because of the concessions he made to the
chamber baghdad
or certainly better off that that they got done
uh... and the risk of not having that corporate support having
unified corporate opposition is there if they don't get a bill at all
and he didn't have any kind of recovery act for the first hundred days relive
every country act of all the first
both situated live in a whole lot different than what we're seeing today
yet you know i think again
ike i don't disagree with the content of the editorial my question though is more
one of is that politically even feasible to say well
unthinking
the influence of corporations and money in politics is really really bad and i
would like to see it eliminated
for now
instead of working towards that under schedule everything i can to get
whatever benefit they can from the fact that corporations and money are huge
influence on politics in other words is it possible to straddle the line both
the usertier advantage for now
work think eliminate the influence of money in politics or do you have to just
pick one strategy of the other
uh... estella either war might might concern with the motivations of writing
the piece is that we're going to try the other way
that people on the left have gotten so frustrated and so cynical that there's a
this system is fundamentally broke in nothing we want is going to happen until
we find a way to eradicate this is generally which legally week really do
that is through a constitutional amendment you can try to sort of work or
arabs but
the problem get your area for
if you have that added to that there's something uniquely awful about today
that wasn't rude f_d_r_ to l_b_j_ when i think you restore we're on the look they
have t_r_ reid is that it was getting any campaign finance regulation sweater
really
the play of money about the fact that
uh... and uh... an f_b_i_ nobody found a way
uh... so if if we put all that this is on that and it nor
the possibility i would save up pretty decent possibility
finding common ground on climate change on immigrate shouldn't and on
infrastructure as for job creation of all areas white aryans there has been
severely groundwork late they did for such a compromise if you put that aside
and and and chase the constitutional amendment but that is a
idec eight long project answered issues particularly jobs crisis and climate you
know that's underway
so you gotta find a way
die you know tented did take
that take the bullets
get across that would get the bridal everything that we got the roll over
here you know what's it like when you're right and we explore
it they're going going more after the support of corporations
don't you think that because particularly because of the fiscal
policies that republicans support that if both parties to say let's just both
go after the support of corporations republicans are going to win most of
those bout
arms race is over dot so in other words the the policies that republicans
proposal or the support when it comes to find answers
are much more attractive to most big corporations than those of progressive
so while you cite historically a number of of times that that progressive
movement have been able to get the support of corporations are republicans
just going to win that support take it away from democrats in other words given
the choice why wouldn't corporations support republican policy more than
democratic policy all this this is the this is that you are a part of what had
uh... five suggesting here
e anyway
f_d_r_
program with corporations right
in the did not cover of corporations
this stick you know corp raised as a thank you very much let's let's do this
this is again sometime exactly
you know they they take a step back afterwards very take i do if i don't
dispute that uh... so you you can do this in a nine year away i think that
they're gonna be a best friends they're not of but
that if u
combat with the accident there is nowhere and ever going to find
uh... and opening
to peace began to the coalition's gonna get to get the bill enacted
gonna miss out on some big opportunities there do you think clinton piston
opportunity
by not say they'll be insurance industry they they they were at new jersey
initials asking for meetings and they were getting out of the day they said
five for getting work done heart penalties on you and they just blew that
you apart
uh... an obama had to burn approach saying i know we don't get a lot to say
early i know we have a lot of bad blood between my party in your industry
the let's find a way at i think we're all better off because you've divided
because they really don't like kind of things i don't like these are the
current perfect
it did the keeping its it's better to do that in perfect deal
and bill dot over time
which usually is what happens
then to art be totally uh... origip
analytical in that case you ted that wait for a very very long time with you
get back to the table at which
to do de klerk deal anyway
the as we saw with health care perfidy example which you say in the in the
peace
okay bill share of the roll with it dot com campaign for america's future
uh... i'm i'm very split about this editorial i have to say i think the
point you're making a really good
this is something that to a lot of progressives will feel wrong about
trying to work hand-in-hand with corporations i'm not saying it's fine
all right i think they're not doing it
all right thanks val
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