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theCube here at AWS re:Invent 2017
Our fifth year covering Amazon Web Services
and their massive growth.
I'm John Furrier, my co-host Lisa Martin.
Here our next guest is CTO of WANdisco, Jugane Sundar.
Welcome back to theCube.
>> Thank you John.
>> You guys are everywhere.
WANdisco around the table and all these deals
so you guys have been doing extremely well
with (indistinct talking) property.
What's new?
You got some news?
>> Yes we do, we recently announced integration
with Amazon's AWS Snowball device
which gives you the ability to do migration
of on-premises workload into the Cloud
without down time, and then the end result is
a hybrid cloud environment that you can have an active
for right environment on both sides.
That's a unique capability, nobody else can do that today.
>> What does it mean for AWS and their customers
'cause they're very customer focused.
What are you guys bringing to the table?
>> We bring a whole lot of big data workloads,
analytics workloads, IoT workloads into their Cloud.
And the beauty of the cloud is
that you may have a 20 node cluster on-premises
but you can run analytics
with a 1000 nodes up in the Cloud on demand
and pay just for that use.
We think it's a very powerful value proposition.
>> Where are you seeing the most traction?
We've talking about the massive growth
at 18 billion dollar annual runway
that fit AWS and Andy's conversation with you John
the other day said we haven't gotten
that big on startups alone.
So even some of the things like the advertising
that AWS is now starting to do suggests
they're going up the stack to the Enterprise
and to the Sea Suites.
Where are you guys seeing the most traction with AWS?
Is it in the Enterprise space,
is it in the start up space, both?
>> So somewhat because of our route,
what we're finding is that the large majority
of Big Data customers and analytics customers
from the last two, three years are all considering
some form of addition of a cloud to their environment.
If it's not a wholesale migration,
it's a hybrid environment.
It's bursting out into the cloud type of use case
and what you're finding is that growth of on-premise
Big Data and analytics systems is slowing down
because once you get to the Cloud,
the plethora of tools you have,
the facilities that the scale brings
to you is just unmatched.
That's the trend we really see in the market.
>> We've seen a lot of people go
and use it in the marketplace.
Juniper Networks for instance,
are seeing some activity at the network.
Who would have thought a network player
is gonna to pick it in the Cloud,
but this is what industrial-strength cloud looks like.
You guys have the active active.
Where does that fit in for the customers
who wanna leverage the apps,
and don't wanna worry about the networks?
>> Exactly, the traditional model of thinking
was use the Cloud for back up.
You have your on-premise stuff.
The cheapest way to back it up is into the Cloud.
But that's really just scratching the tip of the iceberg.
Once you put your data up in the Cloud,
you have the ability to have it strongly consistently
replicated then you can do amazing things from the Cloud.
You can do a whole new analytics system.
Perhaps you want to experiment with Spark in the Cloud
and have it on on high on-premise that works very well.
Now that both sides are actively writeable,
you can create partitions of your data
that are dynamically generated written to both sides.
These are things that people did not consider.
Once they stumble upon it,
it just opens their mind to a whole new way of operating.
>> Business Park, I've heard some rumors
and rumblings in the developer community here
that they're running Spark on Lando.
People always hacking with new stuff.
So Lando server list I think is coming down.
How does that relate to some of things that are driving
WANdisco's, how do you relate to that?
Does that help you?
Does that hurt you guys?
>> It helps us, the way we look at it.
We're all about strong replication of storage.
Lando is no storage,
you talk to the underlying storage of some kind.
It's S3, it's EBS volumes whatever.
So long as the storage comes through our system.
Any growth, any simple easy way for applications
to be written is hugely positive for us.
>> What are the start ups out there?
We've seen a lot of start ups really missed the mark.
They misfired on the Cloud
and you seen some stars that have played it well.
They've got in the tornadoes as we say.
In fact, Geoffrey Moore, I think is rewriting his book
Inside the Tornado, which is a management paradigm.
But there really seems to be a new business model.
You guys are like ever green at WANdisco
because you're unique (indistinct talking) property.
How are you guys working with that business model
and what are some of the things you're seeing with start ups
and companies who are trying to play the cloud
but are misfiring?
>> Right so WANdisco as you know stands
for Wide Area Network Distributed Computing,
and the Cloud is like a huge bonus to it.
It's all about the Wide Area Network.
We are now consolidating
a bunch of work in the cloud, but guess what?
It's gonna go back to going to go into the edge in some way
'cause the edges are getting smarter.
You need replication between those.
We see a lot of that coming up
in the next two, three, five years.
IoT workloads and use cases all involve somewhat
of edge smart computing.
We replicate between those really well.
>> Lisa, we always talk about the trend is your friend.
In your case, Cloud is your friend.
>> Indeed, it is.
The Cloud is all about wide area network computing
and we are the ones who can really replicate--
>> How does a customer know what to do when it comes down
to getting involved with WANdisco?
It's not obvious.
Spell it out, why do they need you guys?
When do you get involved?
What specific things should be red flags
to a potential customer or a customer
who says I'm gonna go in on the Cloud.
Unpack that.
>> Let me give you a simple example.
We look at Amazon S3, it's a Cloud service storage.
But do you know that it's actually
on a per region basis.
When you create a bucket to put objects into the bucket,
it's located in one region.
If you want it replicated elsewhere,
they have cross-region replication
which is an eventually consistent replication system
that doesn't give you the consistent results that you want.
If you have such a situation employing our technology
immediately gives you consistent replication.
Be it Cloud regions, Cloud to Cloud
or on-premise to Cloud.
The end result is the minute you step
into replication across the land,
every solution out there doesn't do it consistently
and that's our core--
>> And that's your unique IP.
>> Indeed, it is.
>> Okay so I'm seeing Amazon racing their roll out regions.
They got one coming in China, one in the Middle East.
That's a big part of the strategy.
Does that help you or what does that do?
>> Absolutely it helps us a great deal,
partly because customers now do not look at
their applications as a single region applications.
That doesn't fly anymore.
The the notion that my banking app cannot work
because a data center went down is just not acceptable
in the modern world anymore.
The fact that we depend so much on the services
means they need to be up all the time.
More regions, more data replication.
That's why we step in.
>> So that sounds like a lot of symbiosis here.
You talk about S3 and replication challenges.
So tell us how WANdisco is actually helping AWS.
That's one example but help you us understand
the symbiosis with your relationship with AWS.
>> The best example I can give you is a large travel
service company in the internet.
They had to Adobe infrastructure
that was growing out of control.
They wanted to manage costs by moving some workloads
to Amazon but didn't really know where to start,
because you can't do such a thing
as take a copy of the data, ship it off on a Snowball
into the Cloud and tell the users of that data,
stop writing to it now.
It's gonna be available in the Cloud,
a week, 10 days from now.
Then you can start writing again.
That's just not acceptable.
This is live data problem.
The problem here is that you need to be able to ship out
your data on Snowballs,
continue to write the on-premise storage.
When it shows up in the Cloud, start writing that.
Both are consistently replicated,
you have a proper hybrid Cloud environment.
So this was a great bonus to them.
As for AWS, they watched this and they look at it
as a easy way to move vast majority of data
from on-premise big Data analytics systems.
>> Have they been a fuel to your fire,
in a sense that they've been on this incredible
acceleration of their innovation and as Andy Joci said
many times to you John.
It's speed and customer focus.
So how has their accelerated pace of innovation
helped fuel WANdisco's so that
like you were saying the unique value.
How have they really ignited that?
>> So they started off with
just plain Snowball two years ago.
Last year they announced Snowball Edge
which is a pretty improved device.
Now they have in the works,
capability to do some compute on those boxes.
That's very interesting to us.
Now our services can decide on the Snowball,
It arrives at a customer site.
He plugs it in, turns it on instant replication capabilities
Those are fueled both by Amazon's drive
and extreme speed and our own capabilities.
So Amazon is a wonderful partner for us
partly because their charge to us
innovation is quite amazing.
>> Snowball, snow mobile,
it's gonna be a white Christmas for you guys.
Business is good.
>> Business is great.
>> Okay, final question.
What's the conversations you're having here
this year, share with us some of the quick
conversations you're having in the hallways,
meetings, Amazon got execs, partners.
>> So most of the conversation are about moving workloads
from on-premise into the Cloud.
I personally am very interested in IoT use cases
because I see the volume of data and the ability
for us to do some interesting replications
at being critical.
That's where our focus is right now.
>> Jugane Sundar, CTO of WANdisco.
Big announcement, partnership with Amazon Web Services
and Snowball replication active active.
Great solution for replication.
You got regions across regions.
Check out WANdisco.
Thanks for coming by, great to see you again.
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