WHEN YOU’RE LABELED A RAT AND YOU’RE IN A FEDERAL PRISON,
THERE COULD BE DANGER FROM OTHER
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. >> I’M JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE,
HOST OF "THE BEAT."
YOU KNOW THAT WAS CLEARLY TO
BULLJURE KNOWN AS AN INFORMANT
AND HE WAS KILLED WITHIN HOURS
BY THE PRISSNERS.
>> BEATEN TO DEATH.
DRAMATICALLY.
DRAMATICALLY. YEAH.
YEAH. >> SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
THE THREAT HERE?
HOW CLEAR IS THIS?
I REFERRED TO IT AS WITNESS
TAMPERING.
TAMPERING. IF YOU’RE TELLING A GUY YOU’RE
AFRAID HE’S GOING TO TESTIFY
AGAINST YOU IN KANGRESS, IT IS
LIKE JOHNNY FIVE ANGELS AND THE
GODFATHER AND BRINGING THE
BROTHER IN FROM SICILY BECAUSE
YOU’RE GOING TO KILL HIM IF THE
GUY TESTIFIES.
GUY TESTIFIES. >> THE PAN TACHG LOW ANALOGY IS
ONE HE MADE ON MSNBC AS YOU WERE
COMING ON AIR AND I PRESSED HIM
ON IT.
ON IT. I SAID WAIT, IF YOU’RE SITING
THE SCENE IN THE GODFATHER II",
ARE YOU SAYING YOU’RE WORRIED
ABOUT VIOLENCE AND DAVIS SAYS
YES, HE BROUGHT UP
CHARLOTTESVILLE AND SAID EVEN IF
HE ISN’T ORDERING IT, HE’S
TRYING TO WLU MEANT IT AMONG
PEOPLE WHO WILT LASH OUT.
THEY’RE IN MIDTOWN MANHATTAN AND
SAYS THEY FEAR FOR THE SAFETY.
IT’S DEAD SERIOUS.
AND THEN THE CONGRESSIONAL SIDE
IS THE CHAIRS OF THE COMMITTEES
IN THE HOUSE, THEY VIEW IT AS
POTENTIALLY CRIMINAL TAMPERING.
>> WHAT MORE DO YOU THINK COHEN
HAS THAT HE HASN’T GIVEN UP
ALREADY TO NEW YORK PROSECUTORS?
WHAT’S HE WORRIED UP HE HASN’T
GIVEN UP ALREADY?
>> I THINK YOU’RE ASKING THE
BIGGING QUESTION.
BIGGING QUESTION. IF MUELLER LAZ THE KEY STUFF AND
HE DID SAY COHEN WAS CREDIBLE
AND HELP FOOL CORE ISSUES.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE CORE STUFF,
ELECTION TAMPERING AND
OBSTRUCTION, THEN WHAT ELSE IS
THERE?
THERE? >> THERE’S THE WAY DONALD TRUMP
ACTS AND THE WAY HIS COMPANY
RUNS, IN MATTERS THAT MAY NOT BE
CHARGEABLE.
CHARGEABLE. OBLEHE THINKS COHEN WILL SAY
SOMETHING THAT WILL HURT HIM.
BUT AT A MINIMUM I DON’T THINK
ANY RATIONAL PERSON CAN DEBATE
THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP LOOKS
SHOOK, SCARED, IS DOING
INCREDIBLY INCRIMINATING,
INCREDIBLY INCRIMINATING, EMBARRASSING THINGS ON AIR AS
YOU JUST SHOWED TO TRY TO DELAY
OR PREVENT THIS TIME.
SO IF YOU’RE ASKING ME DO I KNOW
WHAT IT IS TONIGHT?
I DON’T.
I DON’T. >> YOU HAD QUITE A COLLECTION.
LET’S LISTEN TO YOUR PANEL’S
REACTION.
REACTION. >> DO YOU THINKEE SHOULD SPEAK
BEFORE CONGRESS BEFORE HE GOES
TO JAIL?
TO JAIL? >> I DON’T HAVE AN OPINION.
>> I THINK HE SHOULD.
>> I COULD CARELESS I WANT HIM
TO GO TO JAIL AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE.
POSSIBLE. >> THE MORE OPENNESS THE BETTER.
>> I FELT LIKE I WAS WATCHING
THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY.
>> WERE YOU WAITING FOR THE
HANDS TO GO UP?
>> YES.
>> YES. AS WE SAID THE "GODFATH"
REFERENCE AGAIN.
REFERENCE AGAIN. HE’LL BE HELD IN CONTEMPT.
CAN HE USE THE FIFTH BEFORE THE
SENATE INTEL COMMITTEE?
>> SO TWO THINGS.
HE CAN TAKE THE FIFTH LESS THAN
THE AVERAGE PERSON BECAUSE HE’S
ALREADY DONE THE
SELF-INCRIMINATION ON CERTAIN
MATTERS AND CONFESS.
SO HE HAS LESS OF THAT ARGUMENT
UNLESS HE’S ASKED ABOUT THINGS
OUTSIDE THE PLEA DEAL AND
CONFESSION HE MADE.
AND BELIEVE ME LAWYERS WOULD
DEBATE THIS BUT THE SHORT ANSWER
IS HE HAS LESS THAN THE AVERAGE
PERSON.
PERSON. THE SECOND TO WHAT YOUR YOU’VE
BEEN POINTING OUT.
THIS IS AN USUAL SITUATION.
YOU HAVE A LONG-TIME LOYAL
DEFENDER OF THE PRESIDENTS AND
ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENTS WHO
IS SCHEDULED TO GO TO PRISON,
WHO SAID HE WOULD NOW TESTIFY
AND COME CLEAN, WHO BACK SAID
DOWN BECAUSE OF THE THREATS YOU
REPORTED AND NOW A CLASH WITH
THE CONGRESS SAID GUESS, WHAT,
BUDDY, IT MAY NOT BE YOUR CALL.
THATS RR WHY IT’S SO BIG THE
DEMOCRATS HAVE SUBPOENA POWER.
RARELY DO YOU HAVE A SUBPOENA
FIGHT WITH AN INCARCERATION
DEADLINE.
DEADLINE. YEAR ALL GOING TO WATCH THE NEXT
COUPLE WEEKS.
COUPLE WEEKS. DO THEY TRY TO DELAY IT OUT PAST
HIS REPORTING DATE TO PRISON?
>> THIS GUY IS NOT LIKE JOHN
DANE.
DANE. JOHN DEAN WAS NOT RICHARD
NIXON’S CONFIDENT.
NIXON’S CONFIDENT. THIS IS THE REAL FIXER.
THIS IS LIKE VELOCCI, GIVING YOU
THE STRUCTURE OF THE COPPOS AND
THE MOB.
THE MOB. HE’S THE GUY TRUMP CALLED IN THE
MIDDLE OF NIGHT WITH GIRL
TROUBLE, WOMEN TROUBLE.
WHENEVER HE HAD A DIRTY PROBLEM,
HE WOULD CALL MICHAEL COHEN AND
SAY WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THIS?
HE KNOWS IT ALL, RIGHT?
ISN’T THAT WHAT SCARES TRUMP?
BECAUSE TRUMP MIGHT NOT REMEMBER
HOW MUCH HE’S CONIFIEDED IN THIS
GUY.
GUY. >> WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE WAY
DONALD TRUMP WORKS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO THINK HE’S
DUMB OR OUT TO LUNCH.
NOT WHEN IT COMES TO HIS
PERSONAL INTERESTS, HIS PROBLEMS
AND HIS MONEY.
HE MAY BE HANDS OFF ALL SORTS OF
JOBS OF THE PRESIDENCY.
37% OF APPOINTEES ARE VACANT
BECAUSE HE WON’T DO THE WORK.
BUT WHEN THE DIME ACCUSATIONS,
GAG ORDERS, SILENCE AGREEMENTS,
HUSH MONEY, NATIONAL ENQUIRER,
THREATENING REPORTERS, I COULD
GO ON.
GO ON. WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH TIME ON
CABLE NEWS FOR IT AND WE HAVE A
LOT OF TIME.
SO I THINK YOU’RE PUTTING YOUR
FINGER ON IT.
WHAT IS IT THAT DONALD TRUMP
KNOWS THAT COHEN CAN SAY
TRUTHFULLY OR CREDIBLY?
BECAUSE I DON’T THINK HIM SAYING
WORDS WITH NO CORROBORATION OR
STORY LINE IS MOVING ANYONE.
ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT MICHAEL
COHEN WAS CALLED TO FIX BECAUSE
ONE THING YOU GOT TO REMEMBER
ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, THIS IS A