joining me today are michael shore and robin kerner robin turner's founder and
publisher of watching america dot com he writes for the huffington post he
started the blue republican movement michael sure of course is political
correspondent for the young turks on current t_v_ he also host point well on
the young turks network great to see both of you guys i think the place to
start today
is to established some contact robin last time you were on the show you made
the case that progressives and moderates should be supporting ron paul
this is what the blue republican movement is uh... outline that case why
should progressive support ron paul
uh... i'd say that where we are as a country now that we have to uh...
consider our priorities
uh... and i think that
liberals need to be concerned that benefits is almost eliminated that we
have consistently
getting to warn countries that don't threaten us
the rehab a uh...
huge problem with clinical citizen
and that not we've got to this place reactions of the democrats and the
republicans
over a number of generations on sadie suspects primarily obama is more than
extension
of dust and the did in the opposite to bush
and that four uh... liberals who are concerned about those fundamental things
uh... it should be considering fading from paula becoming a republican said
that they can do that
in this election cycle art so about michael sure what do you think of that i
mean he's making points that it seems liberals would get behind or is is there
more to ron paul that isn't so liberal what's what's your response to that
where there's a constant uh... convenience argument that people make
when they talk about ron paul you can pick and choose when either ron paul and
when you look at the record of ron paul you can pick and choose a few things it
seemed very appealing i mean the the he considers you on a variety of issues
its is when you read further and when you read the on those issues if your
progressive if you were a liberal and that you were then supporting somebody
in supporting ron paul was against the voting rights act in the civil rights
act and the extension the voting rights act i mean you you're talking about
somebody who can be a progressive when it comes to uh... you know foreign
policy he could be someone who does not want to get into foreign wars but we
live in america
and the ron the america that ron paul wants to live in is very different from
the american a lot of progressives and liberals wallace
yeh brother having to comment on that because it's true that ron paul says
he's not a religious right guide but then this ad comes out with his former
patients talking about
how he believes in in in that he's a pro-life godly and he because he's a man
of god they're choosing them as is often a you know i don't
about an article coming out huffington post in a in a couple of days
uh... where i i just called when pro-life is pro-choice
i agree with you i know i'm and very strongly pro-choice so i differ from
home for on this issue
but audio so believes that
the as you said before they get the very worst case on the wrong for
administration i think is uh... unlikely
is that since he would he does not believe and i think this is important
for levels to develop he does not believe that the federal government
should be inside this issue has been other issues like gay marriage the worst
case is that there's going to be one of two states where uh... as you pointed
out that a woman might have to crosses state lines again
and an abortion
are a bit of course be giving to the charity that would enable
the transport of that woman at that poor woman if she was born in mississippi to
cross state lines again it's a proportion
and i i'm
you know like i see quite like the idea being able to participate in helping
having that way should ever come to that
but as i said before i think this is about quality is and i did this thing
about siva voting rights act so and so forth again aunt laura
we we had this discussion before they leave
um...
ron paul's been vetted fairway specific
areas of dislike congress enacts in what i've seen a lot of people proposing big
is um... wrong then look at the reasons why he believes things uh... just say he
had by something that most people think a good without actually going into
detail
fight with a spin
on that if you actually believe anybody believes that bronco is in any way
against civil rights and was anyway basis because the other ways the
newsletters that he didn't like the people like that
could the labeling the don't vote for no other about political
mother-in-law support any have anybody that is not interested in equal rights
for any minorities are do you believe that order no point to take and i
understand but let let let michael and then he wanted to get in
yeah just a couple of things or robin saying and and truthfully i want a lot
of peoples of or wrong caller saying that if you're talking about was right
to choose even if that's not the biggest issue on your voting agenda
and and what the individual robin stating i agree with ron and i don't
think it's going to get to that but if it works
and and yes he would support somebody going love of a charity that uh... drove
people from across the missus and warrant a louisiana let's say where they
could have an abortion that's that is regressive that is not programs
and and the thesis of of david's questions are is why whatever a
progressive why would a liberal want to support your stuff but that's exactly
but you might like to add you in the onset is because you get a better price
back we under clinical decision we stop killing hunts of thousands of innocent
people informal
if you balance those things are able to take
that i will take the progress over the midwest
yet why i think the reverse is is to stay in i think the regress on social
security is to sting and i think that when you look at
the new deal uh... programs that that he has in his uh... i'll i'm and then when
you look at gay marriage frankly you know he has said he at and love how paul
talks about how he doesnt want government for intervention
until he wants government interventions so if you can see where this
laissez-faire
libertarianism keep keep out of our lives the and of course he does say in
fairness let's send it to the states but generally as a as a as a belief youth
into marriage is between a man or woman again what were asked about progressive
verses regressive whereas the progress of and liberal and i just don't i don't
see that
in in an across-the-board way i don't see what why someone would
uh... brahmin go in that direction sama to be a republican so that i could go
for ron paul and i would frankly because i were republican not vote for ron paul
but i wouldn't be republicans outside socialized and uh... and what again i
think we're what one experiencing in his concession what i've got from you know
the discussions i've had with
with uh... you know my friends on the left
is that we kind of going back to the social issues that was so divisive and
that the white under a marriage in abortion and i think that now we get
this is not the election for those issues again i am very pro-gay marriage
ended i i i just to be clear
yet
i'm a libertarian in that it uh... any two people want to make committed
relationship in court marriage record anything they want say they show that if
the other people don't like it i guess they don't have to go around quoting
what these other people dont manage i hate you know it's so
yet dot but but i think that the good thing about pushing these things it's
down to the states is if you have a situation where
and let's say uh...
uh... abortion is abortion rights legislation the pro-choice way federally
then that can be a point where a federal government you know that the republicans
getting with us from the air con basil religious white base and february they
backed there's something protected about pushing things down toward the people in
the states is a step toward people and and fundamentally
the rule of law is very important and the constitution is to move this country
and i think again on the big picture corporate training ism
and the wars
and civil rights debate this year to date we will talking what city you're
talking was michael i'm i'm talking was and most of all we have to respect the
bill of rights which protect our
optimized fundamental rights
so on you know again off
on that there's nowhere else to guide on this
in this election cycle
if we look at obama's recalled
i do want to get idolize reprisal
brought to you want to get into the the the next logical question which is
whether or not ralph ron paul can win but there is one issue that's come up
since i last spoke with you robin i'd be curious to see
whether michael thinks this is really something progressive should care about
which is brought the clip of ron paul saying evolution is just a theory that
he doesn't believe and he believes god is the creator
that the difficult for many progressives to really get behind this kind of entire
what may come off as an anti science point of view
first-time michael on whether progressives should care about that and
then i wonder what rather
yeah and i do think a residence i think that one thing that they should care
about i don't think it's overarching but i think when you look at the republican
party you look at what they say about climate change and you look at how many
of them believe in evolution as opposed to uh... don't believe in creationism as
opposed evolution
you know it's asked and answered as far as more progressive should think about
that i mean progress is realizing that in fact sciences speaking to us and
showing us things that is progress
you know which is a route in hate you know i just went about the one thing
runs a before which is pertinent to this argument it was just unity social issues
in the social warren and i'd appreciate that you say this isn't the election
about that but i sort of thing when your liberal your progressive every election
is about that every single election is about the type of judges they're gonna
be put on the bench and when you look at the book judges
policy ample opportunity to say who his favorite judges are and each time is
done
with the crowd on in those debates and you said
alito roberts or or you know and leave their built-in an
so yes i think every election for progressives is about the social issues
but but going back to what you just said what would you just as david i do i
think you know i it's not the most important thing i hear and uh... it's
what i expect from a lot of americans as they believe in creationism so christian
country but
i do think that when you're running for president you see the advances and the
progress
progress of science you pay attention
but i think better trained scientist myself i mean i agree i think is
expensive my background and i agree michael i think with everything he said
pretty much
uh... that like that and and will fight probably on this interview
by active in some ways i would say that you making it my case because
on what what like about what happened with that are going for the republican
ticket is that he does not believe
that with the out of the presidency he should be imposing these views on the
country so if i get if you have to have you about uh... he vision or anything
else that i a all indeed abortion because that's the one on why i think
not as much that i am i disagree with him about
all i can just thinking about you know that i will be in a country where he
does not make it all his personal view
now i think that is very important fundamentally that's very important if
if liberals can put up a man like that on the other side of the stake if we can
have a bomb of us pull within a very different uh... country unfinished we
have obama veces one deliver obama veces
uh... gingrich and i what i would like to see that debate with one with mom for
because
on even if
even if he has an impact by keeping the democrats keeping obama administration
more
more honest but that would still be progress
well for the last thing on this up ron paul's second in new hampshire third in
nevada and iowa
forth in south carolina and florida uh... robin does ron paul really have a
shot at being the republican nominee here
um well i gotta say i was very disappointed often the bottle uh...
yes you mean
assuming that a nation arrogance going on uh... uh...
it's not where i would like us to be
uh... by
i mean vocal definitely has the staying power
uh...
i think you know it is about that issue makes that point
uh... oc
for me the used to
of waiting
probably has to involve stumbling by another candidate i mean i i i i do
think there's a very strong case to be made that is going to come down to you
uh... romney and move even though i'm you are not seeing before suddenly in
second everywhere photos and michael michael what do you think about that
likely or not
i sincerely unlikely i mean without being hyperbolic he's going to go down
as one of the most rejected candidates in the u_s_ presidential historian and
uh... and where there is no longer stays in works that will be he's made his
point and he does have
his minions but i don't see anne attraction for him in that part of ok we
will have you both back in a couple more primaries will see where we stand on
greater talked about the michael shore from the young turk
and um... robin turner from watching america as well as the blue republican
movement thanks guys
thanks thank you i think that that's rather thank you