out front now Bob seidman as I mentioned today he was awarded that five million dollars after
debunking Mike lindell's false election data and Bob I really appreciate your
time so let's just start off here right he puts this challenge out there he says that
it would have to be arbitrated and you take it all the way to the Finish Line what's your
reaction today when you find out you've been awarded five million dollars from Mike Lindell
well Aaron thanks for having me and I think it was uh relief not because I I doubted my own
findings the in fact I never expected to be able to show that it was bogus data because normally
data analysis could take weeks or months and I had three days but the data was so obviously fake that
I spent a few hours before I could show it was fake I always worried though Mike Lindell has
a lot of resources a lot of money and you never know I you know I think the court system generally
justices served but not always and so I was never sure if I was going to be awarded the money and
more than the money I really wanted the people the public to know what was going on well and
and that's what you've accomplished I mean amazing you'd say you think it would take you you know it
could take you months took you hours essentially um that that's that's how difficult it was to
debunk to make the point um Mike Lindell you just heard he told CNN that this will end up in Court
do you think you'll ever get the five million dollars that Lindell has been ordered to pay you
unfortunately I don't think so it would be nice and I don't think it's because of court I think
if he does go to court if he does appeal I think it's going to be thrown out but unfortunately I
don't think he has a case against Dominion or I should say Dominion has a great case against
him and Dominion of course is asking for I think 1.2 billion and I don't think Lindell has that so
I think uh I'm afraid he's going to be out of money before I ever see my 5 million right it
was interesting you're making the point it's not because of a court issue uh it's because
he's going to keep losing on this crucial issue now back to this point when you said this could
have taken months you had three days it took you hours to prove that his data about the election
was false how are you able to do it well it was really the data was an amateurish attempt to
disguise the data now it's kind of like if you you know if you're doing a cryptogram in the newspaper
and you substitute letters uh you know you get these random looking letters but if you know
how to substitute them then you get a message and basically somebody did that kind of transformation
twice on just a simple word document one was a Word document was a table of numbers and the other
was just pages and pages and pages of nonsense gibberish as if somebody were just typing randomly
but I happen I have 40 years of experience doing this kind of thing and I just happen
to notice certain patterns and I said I wonder what happens if you do this transformation then
if you do that transformation and what I ended up was with these very simple Word documents and
I was just so surprised that uh that I was able to do that it's not what I expected if somebody
were to create well if it were real data it would take a long time to analyze if it were fake data
you would hope somebody would be sophisticated enough to do some significant modifications
but that's not what happened here I mean and and in terms of you know Mike lindell's role
you know he's out left right and Center you know saying all of this stuff did did he have any idea
you know that was a big debate among all the experts all of us in at his Symposium agreed
that this was not real data we you know most of them didn't know what it was or didn't submit
a report uh but we were all wondering did Mike know that this was fake data uh and was saying
it anyway or did just he just didn't know and he wanted so badly to believe that this was evidence
of of uh hacking into the elections that he just put it out there but I think in the long run after
the whole arbitration let me put it this way I think he has convinced himself it's real because
it needs to be real in his mind Trump needs to be president at all costs and therefore anyone who
challenges him is incompetent I'm not the only one who's challenged the data members of his
own team have done that and he has essentially gone out destroyed their careers so Bob here's
the thing you know when you talk about he has to believe you know in his mind that he just you know
it's a psychological thing he has to believe that Trump is President well this comes from
Trump from the very beginning right saying that there was election fraud right and then and then
surrounding himself with people who would deliver him whatever it took right in this case uh you
know these this this fake information I I want to be clear you've said you did vote for Trump
twice but he is out there even now days ahead of Joe Biden about to announce that he's going
to run for reelection continuing to spread lies about the election that have been debunked this
is Trump just over the past month at election rallies we won in 2016 we won by much more in
2020 but it was rigged the Supreme Court didn't have the courage to right the wrong of the 2020
election millions of votes illegally stuffed into ballot boxes and all caught on government cameras
and Bob obviously the state the reality millions of people believe this he keeps saying it even now
how damaging is it well that's the reason that I did this and I have some friends who I hope will
still be friends because I am a Conservative Republican but I thought the truth needed to
come out and I can tell you that both times I voted for Trump I considered him the lesser of
two evils in my mind but I I don't like Trump I don't trust him I think he in my mind he did
some good things in his policies but I think he's unpredictable irrational uh and I now am
working with no labels a group that is going to put up alternate candidates if it ends up being
an election between Joe Biden and Donald Trump which it very well may and and just to be clear
as I said because you've been very open about you know your political point of view and and how you
voted you did vote for Trump twice will you vote for him again in any scenario I hope there's a a
different choice I I really I'm going to be frank with you I don't like Joe Biden's policies and I
don't think he's fit for office uh I like Donald Trump's policies but he's uh very uh you know
emotional and erratic and I think he could change policies in an instant if if he just decides uh if
he just decides to it's it's kind of unpredictable so I really hope there's a different choice