HOUR LIVE IN STUDIO A.
>> Sandra: THE CIA, F.B.I. AND
DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
INTELLIGENCE WORKING WITH
ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR
TO REVIEW THE ORIGINS OF THE
RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
THIS AFTER BARR APPOINTED U.S.
ATTORNEY JOHN DURHAM TO
INVESTIGATE POSSIBLE
SURVEILLANCE ABUSES AGAINST THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE
MEMBER JIM JORDAN LAST NIGHT.
>> BILL BARR SAID HE WAS
SERIOUS PUTTING TOGETHER A TEAM
TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
A FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP AT THE
UPPER ECHELON OF THE F.B.I.
SPYING TOOK PLACE.
A BASIS FOR HIS CONCERN ABOUT
THE SPYING THAT OCCURRED AND
FINALLY THE TWO TERMS I SAID
THIS LAST WEEK IN THE COMMITTEE
HEARING.
TWO TERMS THAT SHOULD SCARE
EVERY AMERICAN.
HE SAID UNAUTHORIZED
SURVEILLANCE AND POLITICAL
SURVEILLANCE.
>> Sandra: LET'S BRING IN ANDY
MCCARTHY FORMER ASSISTANT U.S.
ATTORNEY.
YOU'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS
WITH US.
YOU HEARD JIM JORDAN MAKING THE
POINT THAT BILL BARR IS DOING
WHAT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO
AND HE IS SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM THIS
INVESTIGATION?
>> WELL, SANDRA, I THINK THEY
WILL HONE IN ON THE QUESTION
THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS
HIGHLIGHTED, WHICH IS WHAT WAS
THE REASON FOR THE
INVESTIGATION?
AT THIS POINT WE SHOULDN'T
ENTERTAIN ANY DOUBTS AT ALL.
THERE WAS CLEARLY SURVEILLANCE
THAT WENT ON HERE.
I BELIEVE IT WENT BACK TO THE
SECOND HALF OF 2015 A LOT OF IT
WAS GENERATED BY BRITISH AND
EUROPEAN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES
USING THE C.I.A. AS A CLEAR
HOUSE.
I THINK WE KNOW THAT THAT ALL
HAPPENED.
WE KNOW IT ALL HAPPENED OR A
LOT OF IT HAPPENED JUST BASED
ON TESTIMONY THAT FORMER C.I.A.
DIRECTOR BRENNAN GAVE IN 2017.
SO A LOT OF THE TACTICS OR
TECHNIQUES THAT WERE USED ARE
NOT IN DOUBT.
THE QUESTION IS, DID THEY HAVE
ENOUGH REASON TO OVERCOME WHAT
IS A NORM IN OUR COUNTRY, WHICH
IS THAT THE INCUMBENT
ADMINISTRATION SHOULD NOT USE
THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
INTELLIGENCE POWERS THE
GOVERNMENT IS ENTRUSTED WITH IN
ORDER TO INVESTIGATE POLITICAL
CAMPAIGNS, IN PARTICULAR THE
OPPOSITION POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.
THAT'S THE QUESTION.
>> Sandra: WE KNOW THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL'S
INVESTIGATION INTO THIS SAME
THING, THE ORIGINS OF THE
INVESTIGATION, THE RUSSIA PROBE
IS LOOKING INTO THE SAME THING
AND THAT'S ONGOING AND BARR HAS
SUGGESTED THAT POSSIBLY WE'LL
SEE THE OUTCOME OF THAT MAY OR
JUNE.
SO HOW IS THIS INVESTIGATION
LOOKING INTO THE SAME THING,
HOW IS IT DIFFERENT AND WHAT
DIFFERENT POWERS DOES DURHAM
HAVE?
>> WHAT I THINK THAT INSPECTOR
GENERAL HOROWITZ IS FOCUSED ON
IS WHAT I WOULD SAY THE RELATED
BUT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, WHICH
IS THE ORIGIN OF THE F.B.I.
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE COURT
WARRANT GENERATED SURVEILLANCE
MAINLY ON CARTER PAGE BUT THERE
MAY HAVE BEEN OTHER TARGETS AS
WELL.
THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, BECAUSE
OF WHAT HIS MANDATE IS, HIS
CONCERN IS ACTIVITY BY JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS AND F.B.I.
OFFICIALS IN PARTICULAR WHEN
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FISA
SURVEILLANCE.
THE INVESTIGATION, THAT PIECE
THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT
REALLY BEGINS AROUND JULY,
AUGUST OF 2016 AND THE FIRST
WARRANTS ARE ISSUED IN OCTOBER.
I THINK THIS INVESTIGATION IN
TERMS OF THE INTELLIGENCE
ORIGINS OF IT ACTUALLY GOES
BACK TO 2015 AND I THINK WHAT
BARR IS TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT
GOT THIS BALL ROLLING IN THE
FIRST PLACE IN A BIG WAY,
INCLUDING NOT JUST THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT ASPECT OF IT BUT THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AND
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES
AS WELL.
>> Sandra: I WANT TO PLAY FOR
YOU FORMER C.I.A. DIRECTOR JOHN
BRENNAN WENT ON ANOTHER NETWORK
YESTERDAY SUGGESTING THAT BARR,
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, IS ON A
FISHING EXPEDITION.
HERE IS BRENNAN.
>> IT WENT THROUGH A RIGOROUS
DUE PROCESS WITHIN THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THE
F.B.I.
APPROVED BY THE FISA COURT.
IT WENT THROUGH ALL OF THOSE
STEPS.
NOW IF THEY LOOK BACK AT IT IN
2020 WILL ME FIND THERE WAS
SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN
SAID DIFFERENTLY?
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO
DO IS UNCOVER SOMETHING THAT
THEY WILL MISREPRESENT AS BEING
PART OF THIS DEEP STATE EFFORT
TO TRY TO UNDERMINE DONALD
TRUMP'S ELECTION.
>> Sandra: HE IS SUGGESTING
BARR IS OUT TO MISREPRESENT
SOMETHING HERE.
HE MADE THE CASE THAT THE FISA
APPLICATION AND THESE ARE HIS
WORDS, WENT THROUGH A RIGOROUS
DUE PROCESS AT THE D.O.J. AND
F.B.I., ANDY.
>> THEY MAKE MISTAKES
SOMETIMES, TOO, SANDRA.
SOMETIMES THEY ABUSE THEIR
POWERS.
WHEN THAT HAPPENS WHAT WE HEAR
IS THAT CONGRESS HAS OVERSIGHT
RESPONSIBILITY AND THESE
AGENCIES THEMSELVES HAVE
INTERNAL OVERSIGHT
RESPONSIBILITY.
THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE
OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES AND THE
REASON WE HAVE AN INSPECTOR
GENERAL.
TO MY MIND HAVING LOOKED AT
THIS AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE
STANDARDS ARE FOR ESTABLISHING
PROBABLE CAUSE, I THINK THAT
NOT ONLY SHOULD THE ACTIVITIES
OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND
F.B.I., THE PRESENTATION OF THE
WARRANTS BE LOOKED AT, I
ACTUALLY THINK THEY OUGHT TO BE
LOOKING AT WHAT ON EARTH THE
FISA COURT WAS THINKING ABOUT
WHEN IT ISSUED SOME OF THESE
WARRANTS.
IT THIS AN OVERSIGHT EXERCISE
AND IF WHAT DIRECTOR BRENNAN IS
SAYING IS TRUE, THEN WHAT'S
WORRIED ABOUT?
BUT TO HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT
LIKE IT'S A FISHING EXPEDITION
AFTER WE JUST HAD A TWO-YEAR
INVESTIGATION OF THE
ADMINISTRATION UNDER
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT DIDN'T ARTICULATE A
CRIME THAT IT WAS LOOKING AT,
WE SPENT TWO YEARS ON A FISHING
EXPEDITION UNDER THE GUYS OF
COLLUSION, THEY'LL NOW COMPLAIN
OF OVERSIGHT OF THE
INTELLIGENCE AND JUSTICE