>>> HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK, AND AROUND THE COUNTRY
GROWING CONCERN OVER WHAT’S
BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE A REPEAT
OF THE DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN
THAT HELPED ELECT DONALD TRUMP
IN 2016.
IN 2016. CONCERN THAT THE SAME KINDS OF
DISHONEST, DIVISIVE AND
RACE-BAITING ATTACKS WAGED ON
SOCIAL MEDIA AGAINST HILLARY
CLINTON IN THE LAST ELECTION ARE
NOW TAFRGTRGETING 2020 DEMOCRATS
AND LIKE LAST TIME THEY’RE BEING
AMPLIFIED BY DONALD TRUMP’S
ALLIES.
ALLIES. BROUGHT TO THE FOREFRONT
RECENTLY WHEN THE PRESIDENT’S
SON RETWEETED SHADES OF
BIRTHERISM THAT HIS FATHER
BROUGHT UP.
BROUGHT UP. HERE’S A REMINDER WHAT DONALD
TRUMP JR. TWEETED AND RETWEETED
ON BACKLASH.
ON BACKLASH. KAMALA HARRIS IS NOT
INDIAN-BLACK.
INDIAN-BLACK. SHE’S HALF INDIAN AND HALF
JAMAICAN.
JAMAICAN. I’M SICK OF PEOPLE ROBBING
HISTORY.
HISTORY. AND WHAT’S WORSE IS THE PERSON
BEHIND THE TWEET AND ITS AUTHOR
ALI ALEXANDER TAKES ON A MORE
SIN SISTER STONE.
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTING,
QUOTE, FOR PEOPLE LIKE MR.
ALEXANDER AND AN ALT-RIGHT
FRINGE PERSON FIGURE IS THE
ENTIRE POINT --
ENTIRE POINT --E ENTIRE POINT -
AND THERE’S MORE --
CAROLINE ORR, A SOCIAL MEDIA RESEARCHERS CITED BY "THE TIMES"
WAS AMONG THE FIRST TO WARN A
COORDINATED ATTACK WAS BREAKING
OUT ONLINE.
OUT ONLINE. SHE TWEETED ON DEBATE NIGHT, A
LOT OF SUSPECT ACCOUNTS ARE
PUSHING THE KAMALA HARRIS IS NOT
BLACK TONIGHT.
BLACK TONIGHT. IT’S EVERYWHERE AND HAS ALL OF
THE SIGNS OF BEING A COORDINATED
ARTIFICIAL OPERATION.
ARTIFICIAL OPERATION. WE SHOULD STRESS AGAIN
COORDINATED OPERATION WAS
SUPPORTED AT LEAST BRIEFLY BY
THE PRESIDENT’S SON.
FOR JOE BIDEN, IT’S NOT JUST
TRAT
TRAT THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WAS
AIDING AND ABETTING THE ONLINE
CAMPAIGN, BUT IT WAS HIS
MASTERMIND.
MASTERMIND. "THE TIMES" REPORTS A CONSULTANT
FOR TEAM TRUMP CREATED A FAKE
CAMPAIGN SIGN FOR BIDEN THAT IS
UNFLATTERING TO SAY THE LEAST.
IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS THAT
SITE HAS BECOME THE MOST POPULAR
SITE ON THE INTERNET.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL.
THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY
WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE
REPORTERS AND FRIENDS.
EDDIE GLIDE, SHARE OF THE
DEPARTMENT OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN
STUDIES AT PRINCETON UNIVERSITY,
CORINNE JEAN-PIERRE, SENIOR
ADVISER TO MOVE ON.ORG.
FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE RNC,
MICHAEL STEELE AND JOY REID,
HOST OF "A.M. JOY" HERE ON MSNBC
AND AUTHOR OF THE BRAND-NEW BOOK
"THE MAN WHO SOLD AMERICA: TRUMP
AND THE UNRAVELING OF THE
AMERICAN STORY," WHICH BEWILL
GET TO LATER IN THE HOUR.
JOY, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
CONCERNED AND I SAID IT ON THE
SHOW BEFORE, GOING BACK TO 2016
NOT ONE OF THE SIX REPUBLICANS
WHO RAN AGAINST TRUMP, NOT
HILLARY CLINTON, EVER FIGURED
OUT HOW ADDRESS AND COMBAT THE
ASYMMETRY RUNNING AGAINST
SOMEONE LIKE DONALD TRUMP.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THE CAMPAIGN ASSUMED THE
AMERICAN VOTER COULD SORT IT
OUT.
OUT. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IF YOU READ
THE MUELLER REPORT, THE FIRST
HALF OF IT DESCRIBES TO WHAT
EVENTUALLY MOUNTS TO A VOTER
SUPPRESSION MACHINE, IN WHICH
THEY INJECTED ANTI-HILLARY
MEMES, THE SUPER PREDDER OVERATO
SHE WROTE THE CRIME BILL OR
SUPPORTED THE CRIME BILL.
IT’S NOT TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE
FOR DONALD TRUMP, IT’S TO GET
THEM TO NOT VOTE.
SUPPRESS THEMSELVES.
SUPPRESS THEMSELVES. AND IT DOESN’T JUST START WITH
THE DEBATES.
THE DEBATES. THIS HAPPENED IN JANUARY.
THE MINUTE SHE LAUNCHED A SLEW
OF ONLINE ACTIVITY ACCUSING HER
OF NOT BEING GENUINELY
AFRICAN-AMERICAN, ATTACKING HER
ON THE BASIS OF HER PARENTS’
IMMIGRANT STATUS AND BASIS OF
HER MARRIAGE, THAT STARTED IN
JANUARY.
JANUARY. WHEN I INTERVIEWED KAMALA
HARRIS, I ASKED HER IF THEY WERE
READY FOR THE ONLINE BARRAGE OF
CYBER ATTACKS AGAINST HER.
AND THE CAMPAIGN OR SHE SEEMED
TO SAY I THINK WE’RE READY FOR
IT AND SHE EXPRESSED A LOT OF
CONFIDENCE, WHICH IS GOOD.
I THINK YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO
EXPRESS CONFIDENCE BUT WHAT I
WORRY ABOUT IS I’M NOT SURE THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY UNDERSTANDS THE
SCOPE AND SAIL HOW THIS IS GOING
TO WORK AND IT’S GOING TO BE ON
STEROIDS VERSUS THE WAY IT WAS
IN 2016.
IN 2016. I HOPE THEY’RE READY.
I HOPE SHE’S RIGHT AND THEIR
CONFIDENCE IS WARRANTED BUT IT’S
INTENSE AND GOING TO GET WORSE.
>> IN ANOTHER ERA, YOU RAN A
MAJOR POLITICAL PARTY.
AND WE’RE SO OLD THAT -- I WAS
THERE, WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT
MAILERS GOING TO THE RIGHT
HOMES.
HOMES. AND THERE’S SOMETHING REALLY
BACKWARD ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN
HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THIS.
IT SHOULD BE YOUR GOVERNMENT,
YOUR PRESIDENT SHOULD BE
PROTECTING THE COUNTRY FROM AN
ATTACK BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT
JUST ATTACKS ON KAMALA HARRIS,
THESE ARE ATTACKS ON THE
DEMOCRACY.
DEMOCRACY. >> I THINK THAT WOULD REQUIRE
ACKNOWLEDGMENT BY THAT
GOVERNMENT AND THE HEAD OF THAT
GOVERNMENT THIS IS A PROBLEM.
WHEN UP HAVE THAT LEFT OF DENIAL
STILL IN PLAY GOING INTO THE
NEXT POLITICAL CYCLE,
PRESIDENTIAL POLITICAL CYCLE,
CAMPAIGNS DO NEED TO STEP UP
THEIR GAME AND BECOME ALMOST
INDEPENDENT ACTORS IN THIS
SPACE.
SPACE. WE’RE ON A NEW PLATFORM, NEW
FRONTIER HERE WHERE IT IS AT
LEAST UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION
SIGNALS GIVEN TO FOREIGN
ADVERSARIES AND BACKDOOR IS
OPEN, COME ON IN ANY WAY YOU
CAN.
CAN. JUST MAKE SURE YOU PICK THE
RIGHT SIDE.
RIGHT SIDE. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> SO I THINK THE CAMPAIGNS NEED
TO UP THEIR EXPECTATION GAME
HERE OF THEMSELVES.
AND NOT EVEN RELY ON THEIR
RESPECTIVE PARTIES, DEMOCRATS OR
REPUBLICANS TO ACTUALLY GET THIS
RIGHT.
RIGHT. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. I GUESS THE COROLLARY TO THAT IS
WHEN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
FIGURED OUT THAT THE RUSSIANS
WERE IN OUR ELECTIONS, THEY WENT
TO BRIEF CONGRESS AND MITCH
McCONNELL SAID NO, NO, NO, NO.
>> SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST
CLUE AND WARNING IN THAT MOMENT
BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
WE NEED TO GO BEYOND THAT.
WE NEED TO STEP INTO THIS SPACE.
WE DON’T NEED TO GET McCONNELL’S
PERMISSION TO WARN THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM
HERE.
HERE. >> COULD YOU EVER IMAGINE THAT
YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO SAY THAT
SENTENCE, YOU SHOULDN’T NEED
McCONNELL’S PERMISSION TO WARN
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC RUSSIA IS
COMING.
COMING. AMAZING.
AMAZING. >> AMAZING.
>> AMAZING. >> WHY IS KAMALA HARRIS ALREADY
A TARGET, AND WHY IS BIRTHERISM
ONE OF THE FIRST SMEARS?
>> BECAUSE IT WORKED THE FIRST
TIME IN DONALD TRUMP’S MIND,
RIGHT, WHEN HE ENTERED THE
POLITICAL ARENA IN 2011, HE USED
BIRTHERISM AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, WHICH I
REMEMBER VERY WELL BECAUSE I WAS
ON THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN IN 2011 IS
OBAMA RELEASED HIS LONG FIRM
BIRTH CERTIFICATE, WHICH WAS A
WIN.
WIN. WHICH WAS A WIN TO DONALD TRUMP.
I REMEMBER WHEN IT HAPPENED, I
THINK THERE WAS A FEELING LIKE
THIS HAD TO HAPPEN.
WE WERE GOING INTO RE-ELECTION.
AND THAT WAS A MAJOR, MAJOR WIN
AND SO HE TOOK THAT AND HE WENT
INTO 2015 AND IT ALL, YOU KNOW,
WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER
THAT.
THAT. IN HIS MIND, I THINK IT’S LIKE
OKAY, BIRTHERISM 2.O NOW KAMALA
HARRIS IS CLEARLY WHAT WE SAW
THE PERFORMANCE FROM LAST WEEK,
SHE’S RISING AND THEY’RE
THINKING IT WILL WORK AGAIN.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE’S A COUPLE
OF THINGS TOO.
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE
CAMPAIGN NEEDS TO STEP UP AND
THEY SHOULD NOT RELY ON THE
PARTY.
PARTY. I THINK THAT’S REALLY TRUE.
THE OTHER PART OF THIS THAT’S
CONCERNING IS DONALD TRUMP HAS
RAISED MORE THAN $100 MILLION IN
A QUARTER SO HE’S MUCH MORE WELL
MORE OF A FUNCTIONING CAMPAIGN.
WE KNOW HE’S FUNDING IN THE
FACEBOOK ARENA, AND SO THAT’S A
CONCERN TO ME AS WELL.
WE’RE GOING TO BE OUT-FUNDED BY
THE OTHER SIDE AND THEY’RE GOING
TO USE IT TO DO HOME.
>> I WANT TO COME BACK TO BOTH
OF THESE WITH YOU.
BUT FIRST ON WHAT THE GOVERNMENT
IS DOING, I THINK ONE OF THE
MOST STARTLING THINGS TO HAVE
WATCHED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS
IS THE GOVERNMENT, NATIONAL
SECURITY OFFICIALS ARE OFTEN AT
ODDS FOR OTT PUBLIC STATEMENT OF
THE PRESIDENT ON THIS QUESTION
OF RUSSIA.
OF RUSSIA. NO ONE MORE SO THAN CURRENT FBI
DIRECTOR CHRIS WRAY.
WATCH THIS.
WATCH THIS. >> MALIGNED FOREIGN INFLUENCE WE
USUALLY USE TO DESCRIBE THE
FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN THAT
WE SAW IN 2016 AND DESCRIBED IN
SPECIAL COUNSEL’S REPORT.
>> NO, RUSSIA DID NOT HELP GET
ELECTED.
ELECTED. YOU KNOW WHO GOT ME ELECTED?
YOU KNOW WHO GOT ME ELECTED?
I GOT ME ELECTED.
>> THE USE OF SOCIAL MEDIA, FAKE
NEWS, PROPAGANDA, FALSE
PERSONAS, ET CETERA, TO SPIN US
UP, PIN US AGAINST EACH OTHER SO
DIVISIVE AND DISCORD UNDERMINED
AMERICA’S FAITH AND DEMOCRACY.
>> THAT’S A JOKE.
NOT ANY HELP FROM THE RUSSIANS.
>> THAT’S NOT JUST A ELECTION
PSYCH MANY THREAT, THAT’S A 365
DAYS A YEAR THREAT.
>> AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT RUSSIA
DID AND BUY FACEBOOK ADS, IT’S A
TERRIBLE THING BUT I THINK THE
INVESTIGATIONS AND ALL OF THE
SPECULATION THAT LASTED THE LAST
TWO YEARS HAD A MUCH HARSHER
ATTACK ON OUR DEMOCRACY THAN A
COUPLE FACEBOOK HAS.
>> THE INVESTIGATION HAS HAD A
MUCH HARSHER IMPACT THAN A
COUPLE FACEBOOK ADS.
>> SO THEY THINK TO CONCEDE THAT
CLAIM IS IN SOME WAYS
QUESTIONING THE LEGITIMACY OF
THE ELECTION.
THE ELECTION. AND HE’S ALWAYS CONCERNED THAT
HE WAS LEGITIMATELY ELECTED.
>> PROBABLY BECAUSE HE WASN’T!
>> BECAUSE HE’S A NARCISSIST WHO
DOESN’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. I WILL SAY THAT AND TAKE A HIT.
HE’S WILLING TO LEAVE THE
COUNTRY VULNERABLE.
COUNTRY VULNERABLE. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO MAKE
DISTINCTIONS HERE.
DISTINCTIONS HERE. CLINT WATTS, WHO’S COME ON MSNBC
ON A REGULAR BASIS, REGULARLY
REPORTED IT’S NOT ONLY THE
RUSSIANS.
RUSSIANS. WHAT WE SAW IN THE ELECTION IN
2016 WAS IN SOME WAYS A KIND OF
WEAPONIZATION OF PROCESSES THAT
WERE EVIDENCE OR IS EVIDENT
THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAN ELECTION
SYSTEM.
SYSTEM. AND WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS NOT
ONLY FOREIGN FORCES DEPLOYING
THESE TECHNIQUES BUT DOMESTIC
FORCES DEPLOYING THESE
TECHNIQUES.
TECHNIQUES. NOT ONLY $100 MILLION WHAT COULD
TRUMP DO, RIGHT?
WHAT CAN CANDIDATES DO?
IF THERE ARE NOT ANY, WHAT CAN
OPERATIVES DO?
OPERATIVES DO? >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> IT’S NOT SIMPLY OPPO RESEARCH
ANYMORE.
ANYMORE. SOMETHING ELSE CAN HAPPEN IN THE
CONTEXT OF OUR ELECTION SYSTEM
AND IN THE CONTEXT OF THE
BIRTHERISM AND WHAT HAPPENED TO
SENATOR HARRIS, THERE ARE FOLKS
OUT THERE, THE AMERICAN
DISSENDANTS OF SLAVES WHO ARE
MAKING HAY IN ALL SORTS OF
PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND
HAVE A PRESENCE ON THE WEB.
THEY’RE NOT BOTS.
THEY’RE NOT RUSSIAN FOLK.
THEY’RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO HAVE
AN IMPACT ON THE WAY IN WHICH WE
TALK ABOUT RACE IN THIS COUNTRY.
UNLESS WE UNDERSTAND AND BE ABLE
TO DIFFERENTIATE THESE VARIOUS
FORCES, WE ARE GOING TO LUMP
THEM ALL INTO THE SAME THING AND
NOT UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE
DANGERS THAT WE FACE IN OUR
ELECTORAL SYSTEM.
ELECTORAL SYSTEM. >> I GUESS THE TOXIC BREW THAT
SEEMS TO BE GETTING MIXED UP IN
THE KITCHEN ALREADY IS TRUMP’S
RACISM, THE COMPLETE 578 BIV
LENS AMONG --
AMBIVALENCE, WE LOOKED HIGH AND
LOW.
LOW. CHRISTOPHER WRAY WAS THE ONLY
ONE WITH THE DEEPEST THREAD AND
ROBERT MUELLER, WHO WILL TESTIFY
OFF THE SCENETHEME HERE.
NOT ONLY DOES HE NOT CARE ABOUT
THE INTRICACY CONVERSATION ABOUT
RACE, HE WOULDN’T UNDERSTAND IT.
YOU HAVE THE TOXICITY OF THE
FEAR ON RACE AND THE TEXTS
TWEETED AND LET’S DELETE IT.
NOBODY THAT SAW DONALD TRUMP
JR.’S ORIGINAL TWEET QUESTIONING
BIRTHERISM IS GOING TO SEE THIS
CONVERSATION THAT IT’S ABSOLUTE
BS, NOBODY.
BS, NOBODY. AND I WILL PUT THIS UP BECAUSE I
WAS STARTLED TO SEE THIS, THE
WAY BIRTHERISM STARTED WAS
DONALD TRUMP SAYING, I DON’T
KNOW.
KNOW. I DON’T KNOW.
IT’S JUST A QUESTION.
WATCH.
WATCH. >> MANY, MANY PEOPLE HAVE
QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS. VERY SERIOUS QUESTIONS.
PERHAPS HE WAS BORN IN THIS
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. AND THAT’S A CHANCE.
BUT WHO KNOWS?
>> YOU REALLY THINK THIS GUY --
>> I DON’T WANT TO ANSWER E
ANSWER THE QUESTION.
>> HIS MOTHER WAS A U.S.
CITIZEN, BORN IN KANSAS.
IS HE A NATIONAL BORN CITIZEN?
>> WHO KNOWS, WHO KNOWS?
>> WHO KNOWS, JOY.
>> AND THIS DOVETAILS WITH WHAT
YOU TALKED ABOUT WITH HIS
LEGITIMACY
LEGITIMACY LEGITIMACY CRISIS.
LEGITIMACY CRISIS. HE’S FAKE.
HE’S FAKE. HE KNEW HE WASN’T REALLY RICH
AND HE UNDERSTOOD HE COULDN’T
DATE PRINCE DIANA FOR GOD’S SAKE
BUT HE SAID IT.
HE’S CONSTANTLY TRYING TO PROVE
TO THE REAL LEETS HE’SELITES HE’
HE IS THERE.
HE CANNOT STAND THIS BLACK MAN
LEGITIMATELY GOT INTO HARVARD
UNIVERSITY WHEN HIS DADDY HAD TO
PAY HIM IN BECOME ELECTED OF THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
WITH A 10 MILLION VOTE MARGIN
AND RELEENGTED-ELECTED AT A 5 MI
VOTE MARGIN AND POPULAR AS
PRESIDENT AND LOVED AND
RESPECTED HIM, IT BUGGED DONALD
TRUMP THE SAME WAY IT BOTHERED
VOTERS HE GOT THE JOB AND THEIR
KID DIDN’T GET INTO HARVARD OR
PRINCETON BUT A BLACK KID DID.
HE FEELS THE SAME ANGER AND
MISPLACED RAGE AT OBAMA.
BIRTHERISM IS HIM DOING WHAT HIS
VOTERS DO.
VOTERS DO. THE REASON MY LIFE IS BAD NOT
BECAUSE OF MY CHOICES I MADE BUT
IT’S BECAUSE OF MEXICANS.
MEXICANS ARE THE PROBLEM.
NOT THE COAL PRBARRONS AND SHUT
DOWN.
DOWN. IT’S NOT THEM, IT’S MEXICANS.
IT’S A PLISSIMPLISTIC VIEW OF TH
WORLD THAT LETS YOU OFF THE
HOOK.
HOOK. DONALD TRUMP IS THE KING OF
THAT.
THAT. HE KNOWS HE’S A FRAUD.
A FORMER QUESTION JIMMY CARTER
HAS QUESTIONED HIS LEGITIMACY
OPENLY.
OPENLY. SO DONALD TRUMP TRYING TO FIX
HIS PSYCHE BY ATTACKING BARACK
OBAMA, HE NEEDS A NEW PERSON TO
FIX HIS PSYCHE.
ON COMES KAMALA HARRIS.
HE KNOWS THESE ATTACKS WILL
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. HIS BASE EATS IT UP.
HIS SON’S BEEN DUPED TWICE.
WE KNOW TRUMP IS AN EASY MARK.
>> IT’S WHAT YOU SAY IT IS, I
LOVE IT.
LOVE IT. >> YES, HE’S AN EASY MARK.
WHATEVER SO HE THINKS HIS FATHER
LOVES HIM MORE.
>> TO WHAT YOU SAID QUICK, JOY,
LISTENING TO CLIP ON BIRTHERISM
AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THE
PRESIDENT SAYS, AMERICA, HERE IS
YOUR TELL, WHENEVER THE
PRESIDENT SAID, I HEARD SHUT IT
DOWN, STOP IT, CALL IT A LIE AND
MOVE ON BECAUSE THE NEXT
SENTENCE, WORD, PHRASE OUT OF
HIS MOUTH WILL BE A LIE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHO ARE ALL OF
THESE PEOPLE TALKING TO HIM,
TELLING HIM THIS INFORMATION
HE’S SPEWING OUT?
I HEAR THERE WERE 500,000
PEOPLE, NOT 50,000.
YOU’RE CORRECTING -- OR AT THAT
MOMENT HE’S CORRECTING PUTIN
WHEN PUTIN SAID 25 MILLION
PEOPLE THAT PRESUMABLY THE
PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY SHOULD
KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED IN
WORLD WAR II AND TRUMP COMES
BACK, I HEAR IT WAS 50 MILLION.
STOP IT.
STOP IT. PRESS, DON’T WRITE THAT STORY.
IT IS A LIE.
WHENEVER HE COMES OUT WITH THE I
HEARD OR PEOPLE SAY, THAT’S A --
>> OR MY FRIEND JIMMY.
JIMMY ISN’T REAL.
HE DOESN’T KNOW ANYONE NAMED
JIMMY.
JIMMY. >> JIMMY IS RUNNING FOR THIS
EYEBALL TO THAT EYEBALL.
HE’S RIGHT HERE!
THIS EYEBALL TO THAT EYEBALL.
THAT’S THE SPACE, PEOPLE.
>> I WANT TO PUSH YOU ON
SOMETHING THOUGH BECAUSE I HAVE
HEARD THIS FROM SOMEONE WHO SAW
HIM AROUND THE HOLIDAYS AFTER
MATTIS’ RESIGNATION, SEEMS LIKE
WE LIVE IN DOG YEARS, FEELS LIKE
SEVEN YEARS AGO BUT IT FELT LIKE
A PERILOUS TIME.
AFTER MATTIS LEFT AND HE WAS
LAYING THE FOUNDATION FOR THE
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, WHICH WAS A
POLITICAL AND HUMAN CALAMITY,
THIS PERSON WAS WITH THE
PRESIDENT AND SAID THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT
NOW AND PRESIDENT BEFORE HE WAS
ELECTED IS HE DOESN’T KNOW
ANYMORE WHEN HE’S LYING.
>> THAT IS --
>> WOW.
>> WOW. >> I JUST LET THAT MARINADE FOR
A MOMENT BECAUSE THAT THE
ESSENCE OF WHERE WE ARE.
WHEN YOU ENGAGE IN THIS SPACE
AND THOSE OF US IN POLITICS,
PARTICULARLY THOSE OF US WHO
DEALS WITH CANDIDATES AND
OPERATIVES, YOU’RE ALMOST KIND
OF TRAINED TO GET A SENSE OF
THAT, WHERE THE LYING EDGE IS.
WHEN SOMEONE CROSSES OVER THAT
LINE WHERE THEY’RE REALITY
BECOMES THE LIE AND THE LIE
BECOMES THE REALITY, THAT’S A
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM. AND IT’S PARTICULARLY A PROBLEM
WHEN THEY ARE IN LEADERSHIP.
AND WHEN YOUR STAR AND PEOPLE
WHO ARE THERE TO PROTECT YOU,
REMEMBER THE CONVERSATIONS THREE
YEARS AGO, ALL OF THOSE FOLKS
WERE GOING TO COME TO THE WHITE
HOUSE.
HOUSE. >> VERY BEST PEOPLE.
>> WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT
WHEN THE VERY BEST PEOPLE CAN’T