""MORNING JO PUBLICLY PRAISING THE BRAVERY OF
FIREFIGHTERS IN CALIFORNIA AND
OFFERING HIS SYMPATHY AND
SUPPORT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
LOST THEIR HOMES OR THEIR LIVES
IN THAT FIRE.
BUT THAT WAS NOT HIS INITIAL
RESPONSE.
RESPONSE. TWEETING ON SEAT ABOUT THE COST
OF THE FIRES INACCURATELY
BLAMING FOREST MANAGEMENT AND
THREATENING TO PULL PAYMENTS.
>> THAT LED TO OUR NEXT GUEST
COLUMN TITLED IF YOU ARE TOO
MUCH OF A NARSCISSIST TO FEEL
EMPATHY, MR. TRUMP, TRY TO FAKE
IT.
IT. EDITOR AT LARGE DAILY MAIL.COM,
PIERS MORGAN.
PIERS MORGAN. GREAT TO SEE BUT GOOD TO BE
HERE.
HERE. >> JOE.
>> JOE. WE HAVE SO MUCH BREX IT TO TALK
ABOUT.
ABOUT. PIERCE HAS ACTUALLY A SHOCKING
NOT NEWS YET BUT A CONCLUSION OF
WHAT MAY BE COMING IN THE NEXT
24 HOURS.
24 HOURS. HERE’S A TEASE FOR YOU.
TAKE IT AWAY, JOE.
>> BREAKING NEWS, "NEW YORK
TIMES" RIGHT NOW TALKING ABOUT
TWO UK CABINET MINISTERS
QUITTING.
QUITTING. THE POUND FALLING RIGHT NOW.
PERFECT TIMING FOR YOU, PIERCE
TO COME ON AND TELL US WHAT IS
GOING ON THE BRITAIN?
>> HERE’S THE TRUTH.
NOBODY KNOWS.
NOBODY KNOWS. IT’S A COMPLETE BASKET CASE.
I CAM TO HERE AMERICA TO FIND
POLITICAL STABILITY AND
NORMALITY.
NORMALITY. THE REALITY IS PRIME MINISTER
MAY HAS COME UP WITH HER BIG
BREXIT PLAN WE HAVE BEEN WAITING
FOR.
FOR. IT’S DEAD ON ARRIVAL.
HALF OF HER CABINET AND
GOVERNMENT ARE RESIGNING.
MY GUESS IS THE DOMINOS ARE
FALLING SO FAST AND FURIOUSLY
SHE WILL BE GONE I WOULD THINK
POSSIBLY BY THE END OF THE WEEK
IF NOT EVEN TODAY SO DRAMATIC
SCENES BACK IN ENGLAND.
>> YOU KNOW, PIERCE A COUPLE
SUMMERS AGO, WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT FOOTBALL, TALKING ABOUT
YOUR LOVE FOR ARSENAL.
I REMEMBER COMMENTING TO YOU
THEN THAT I WAS SHOCKED THAT
EVERY TIME THE TOPIC OF DONALD
TRUMP CAME UP OVER IN BRITAIN
AND THE SUMMER OF ’17, IT NEVER
WENT THE WAY I EXPECTED.
I EXPECTED IT TO BE WHAT I’VE
HEARD MY WHOLE LIFE WHEN I’VE
TRAVELED OVER TO ENGLAND ORE
EUROPE THAT IS YOU AMERICANS
THIS, YOU AMERICANS THAT.
EVERYBODY SAID THE SAME THING.
EVERYBODY, THEY WERE LIKE, YOU
KNOW WHAT, YOU GUY VERSUS A
PROBLEM WITH ONE GUY.
HE’S GOING TO BE GONE.
THAT’S HOW AMERICA WORKS.
WE HAVE A MUCH DEEPER PROBLEM
WITH OUR SYSTEM AND WE DON’T SEE
ANYWAY OUT.
ANYWAY OUT. I COULDN’T BELIEVE IT AT THE
TIME.
TIME. BUT HERE WE ARE A
YEAR-AND-A-HALF LATER, AND I’LL
BE DARNED IF YOU AND EVERYBODY
ELSE THAT SAID THAT WEREN’T
RIGHT AND WE’RE SEEING IT STILL
UNFOLDING.
UNFOLDING. WHY CAN’T BRITAIN MOVE FORWARD?
>> WELL, THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM
WAS BREXIT SPLIT THE COUNTRY
RIGHT DOWN IN TWO.
A BIT LIKE AMERICA WITH THE
ARRIVAL OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.
BOTH POSITIONS, BOTH SIDES ARE
SO INTENSE NOW THERE IS NO ROOM
FOR NORMAL DEMOCRATIC DEBATE OR
CONVERSATION.
CONVERSATION. NO ROOM FOR, WELL, ARE YOU RIGHT
ABOUT THIS BUT WRONG ABOUT.
THAT ARE YOU ALL IN TO LEAVE OR
YOU ARE ALL IN TO REMAIN.
OF COURSE, POLITICS LIFE IS A
LITTLE BIT MORE SUBTLE THAN.
THAT A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED
THAN THAT.
THAN THAT. WHAT WE FOUND IN BRITAIN IS
UNFORTUNATELY THESE TWO
POLARIZED POSITIONS HAVE CRASHED
TO THIS TIPPING POINT THE PRIME
MINISTER TO REMIND YOUR VIEWERS,
TERESA MAY VOTED FOR THIS, WE
PUT SOMEBODY IN CHARGE OF THE
BREXIT TRAIN THAT DIDN’T WANT TO
GO IN THE DIRECTION WHICH THE
TRAIN WAS HEADING, WHICH I
ALWAYS FELT WHAT’S A FATAL FLAW
IN THIS PERSON.
FAR BETTER TO PUT A PERSON IN
CHARGE LIKE BORIS JOHNSON,
PROGRAMS, WHO BELIEVES IN THE
PRINCIPLES OF BREXIT.
WE ARE WHERE WE ARE I DON’T
THINK WE BE DOING THIS AT ALL.
WE REFERENDUM.
WE REFERENDUM. 17.5 MILLION PEOPLE IN VOTED
VOTED.
VOTED. THE BIGGEST VOTE MY COUNTRY EVER
HAD FOR ANYTHING.
SO THE CONCERN NOW IS IF WE
DON’T ACTUALLY DO WHAT THE
REFERENDUM VERDICT SAID WE
SHOULD DO, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE
BRIK BRITISH DEMOCRACY?
I THINK IT’S A REAL PROBLEM.
>> WILLIE, WHAT MAKES IT SO MUCH
MORE CONFOUNDING, THIS ISN’T
JUST A LABOR VERSUS A
CONSERVATIVE ISSUE.
CONSERVATIVE ISSUE. YOU HAVE A LOT OF TORIES
SUPPORTING BREXIT.
SUPPORTING BREXIT. YOU HAVE A LOT OF LABORITES
SUPPORTING IT AS WELL.
SO IT’S SORT OF LIKE TRUMP’S
AMERICA, YOU CAN’T JUST BREAK IT
DOWN AS RIGHT VERSUS LEFT.
>> YOU CAN’T JUST WASH IT AWAY.
IT WAS AN ELECTION, AS DONALD
TRUMP’S ELECTION WAS.
THIS WAS A REFERENDUM
DEMOCRATICALLY VOTED ON.
THE SIGNIFICANCE, PIERCE, OF THE
TWO CABINET MINISTER WAS LEFT
TODAY.
TODAY. THIS WAS THE CHIEF BREXIT
NEGOTIATOR WHO GOES INTO THAT
MEETING, PRESENTS A PLAN AND
WALKS AWAY.
WALKS AWAY. YOU HAD THE PENSION MINISTERS
WALK AWAY AS WELL, WHY ARE THOSE
TWO POSITIONS SO SIGNIFICANT AND
WHY DO YOU THINK IT
AUTOMATICALLY LEADS TO THE END
OF THEIR RESSA MAY’S RUN?
>> DAVID DAVIS, HER INITIAL
CHECKERS PLAN WHEN THE CABINET
FIRST SIGNED UP FOR ABOUT THREE
HOURS TO A COLLECTIVE AGREEMENT
ABOUT SOMETHING.
ABOUT SOMETHING. HE WENT.
HE WENT. NOW WE HAVE THE SAME AGAIN WITH
HIS REPLACEMENT.
HIS REPLACEMENT. DOMENIC ROBB A CAPABLE --
DOMENIC RAAB, A CAPABLE UP AND
COMING GENTLEMAN.
COMING GENTLEMAN. IT UNFORTUNATELY TIES US STILL
TO THE EUROPEAN UNION.
PEOPLE LIKE ME THINK WE
SHOULDN’T BE DOING THIS, GREAT,
HAPPY DAYS.
HAPPY DAYS. THIS IS REALLY STAYING IN THE
UNION IN ALL BUT NAME.
BUT, OF COURSE, IF YOU VOTED
LEAVE OR IF YOU ARE A POLITICIAN
WHO DROVE THE LEAVE CAMPAIGN,
YOU ARE FEELING RIGHT NOW
CHEATED AND BETRAYED.
YOU FEEL THE DEMOCRATIC WILL OF
THE BRITISH PEOPLE HAVE SIMPLY
BEEN IGNORED.
BEEN IGNORED. >> THAT IS I THINK A
CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS FOR
BRIDGE.
BRIDGE. IT MAY ENDS UP FOR ANOTHER VOTE
A PEOPLE’S VOTE, BECAUSE WE HAVE
NO OTHER ANSWER TO THIS 23 ENDS
UP HAVING ANOTHER REFERENDUM
WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THE LAST
ONE.
ONE. IT’S A COMPLETE MESS.
AS I SAY, I’VE COME HERE BECAUSE
BY COMPARISON THE TRUMP
PRESIDENCY SEEMS RELATIVELY
NORMAL.
NORMAL. >> HAPPY TO HELP, PIERCE.
>> PIERCE THIS PLAN SEEMS TO BE
MAKE KNOCK ONE HAPPY.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> AND IS IT YOUR CONCLUSION
THAT IT WOULD BE WORSE TO GO
FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN WITH ALL
OF ITS PROBLEMS, WITH, YOU KNOW,
I ALMOST WILL COMPARE IT TO A
DIVORCE WHERE THE PARTY, ONE
PARTY, THE EU, IS STILL GOING TO
HAVE A LOT OF SAY OVER THE UK
THAT WANTS OUT FOR MANY YEARS TO
COME IN.
COME IN. >> THIS IS LIKE GETTING
DIVORCED.
DIVORCED. THEN HAVING THREE OR FOUR THINGS
THAT TIE TO YOU YOUR EX-WIFE OR
HUSBAND, WHICH MEANS HAVE YOU NO
CONTROL OVER THE REST OF YOUR
LIFE WITHOUT THEIR SAY SO.
AND I THINK THE ANALOGY IS
PROBABLY PERFECT.
PROBABLY PERFECT. THE OPTIONS NOW, WE HAVE ANOTHER
REFERENDUM.
REFERENDUM. OR THAT WE ACCEPT THIS DEAL,
WHICH NOBODY WANTS TO ACCEPT.
AS YOU SAY IT’S UNIVERSALLY
DESPISED BY EVERYBODY.
IT’S THE ONLY UNIFYING THING,
EVERYBODY HATES IT.
OR WE CRASH OUT WITH NO DEAL ON
MARCH 29th, WHERE WE LITERALLY
GO INTO THE COMPLETE UNKNOWN.
WHICH MOST PEOPLE.
MOST INDEPENDENT PANELISTS AND
EXPERTS SAY WOULD BE THE
FINANCIAL ASSUMPTION OF ALL.
SO, LOOK, I DON’T THINK ANYBODY
KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
I DON’T THINK ANYBODY KNOW WHAT
IS THE REALITY OF A NO DEAL
WOULD BE.
WOULD BE. WE ARE INTO UNCHARTED AND I
THINK VERY PERILOUS WATERS IN
BRITAIN RIGHT NOW.
>> SO, BREXIT, A LOT OF
AMERICANS DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT
THAT IS.
THAT IS. A LOT OF AMERICANS DO UNDERSTAND
THE NATURE OF THESE WILDFIRES IN
CALIFORNIA.
CALIFORNIA. I’M FROM CALIFORNIA.
IN FACT THE WILDFIRES HAVE COME
UP A BLOCK FROM THE PLACE, WHERE
I GREW UP.
WHEN I READ YOUR PIECE, I WAS
WITH YOU.
WITH YOU. BECAUSE ALTHOUGH YOU MAY SAY A
LOT OF THINGS ABOUT TERESA MAY.
SHE HAS NOT TAKEN THE SIDE OF A
WILDFIRE AGAINST PEOPLE LOSING
THEIR HOMES AND LOSING THEIR
LIVES.
LIVES. SO TALK ABOUT YOUR SENSE OF
OUTRAGE OVER THE WAY THE
PRESIDENT INITIALLY REACTED TO
THE FIRES AND WHAT YOUR ADVICE
IS TO HIM?
>> I GOT A PLACE IN L.A., NOT
NEAR THE FIRES, THANKFULLY.
IT’ ELSE TO ME THAT THERE ARE
ALSO DIFFICULT THINGS ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
IT’S A TOUGH JOB.
WE CAN ALL AGREE WITH THAT.
WE MAY DISAGREE HOW PRESIDENT
TRUMP DOES THIS, THAT AND THE
OTHER.
OTHER. IT’S A TOUGH JOB.
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WHEN
HAVE YOU THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. ONE IS SHOW BASIC HUMAN EMPATHY
WHEN YOUR OWN AMERICAN PEOPLE
ARE SUFFERING OR IN THIS CASE
LITERALLY BEING BURNED ALIVE IN
THEIR CARS, AS SOME PEOPLE WERE
BEING AT THE TIME THAT YOU
TWEETED.
TWEETED. YET HIS FIRST GUT REACTION TO
THIS WAS TO TRY TO SCORE A CHEAP
POLITICAL POINT.
POLITICAL POINT. I PERSONALLY LIKE DONALD TRUMP.
I HAVE KNOWN HIM A LONG TIME.
BUT THAT ASIDE FOR A MOMENT,
THIS WAS CRASS AND INHUMAN.
YOU DON’T START THE BLAME GAME
AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING WHEN YOUR
FELLOW AMERICANS ARE LITERALLY
DYING, BURNING ALIVE IN THEIR
HOMES AND CARS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE
I’M AFRAID OF DONALD TRUMP’S
INABILITY TO JUST SHOW BASIC
EMPATHY.
EMPATHY. AND WE SAW IT AGAIN IN PARIS
WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO A
MEMORIAL SERVICE ON THE 100th
ANNIVERSARY OF ARMISTICE,
REMEMBER TO GO TO A PLACE WHERE
AMERICAN MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN
THAT LOST THEIR LIVES IN THE
FIRST WORLD WAR WERE BURIED.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO ISSHINE, LOOK
PRESIDENTIAL.
PRESIDENTIAL. HE COULDN’T DO THAT, IT WAS
RAINING.
RAINING. THE COMBINED EFFECTS, ONE A RAIN
EXCUSE, ONE HIDEOUS FIRES.
THE COMMON THEME WAS A BASIC
FAILURE OF GUT FEELING AND
EMPATHY.
EMPATHY. >> LET ME ASK REAL QUICK THIS
QUESTION, DON’T YOU THINK THERE
IS HARDLY A POLITICAL THING
HERE.
HERE. QUESTION OF EMPATHY.
THERE IS CALIFORNIA IS NEVER
GOING TO VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> HE BLAMES THEM FOR GIVING HER
THE POPULAR VOTE MARGIN, ILLEGAL
VOTERS IN CALIFORNIA.
IF THESE WILDFIRES WERE
HAPPENING IN MISSISSIPPI, HIS
REACTION WOULD BE MUCH
DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT. >> WE SAW THIS ON "SATURDAY
NIGHT LIVE" THE PETE DAVIS
THING.
THING. WHERE ACTUALLY THEY CAME
TOGETHER A WEEK LATER AND THEY
SHOWED A BIT OF UNITY OVER WHAT
HAPPENED BEEN A VERY UNPLEASANT
INCIDENT.
INCIDENT. A DENIGRATION OF A WAR HERO ON
AMERICA’S NUMBER ONE COMEDY
SHOW.
SHOW. AND THAT GAVE YOU A BIT OF HOPE.
FINALLY, SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE,
ACTUALLY IS NOT REACTING BY
PUNCHING EVERYONE IN THE NOSE
ALL THE TIME.
AND THEN WE GET THE REACTION
FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO THESE
FIRES AND MY HEART SANK AGAIN,
YES, HE KNOWS CALIFORNIA DOESN’T
LIKE HIM.
LIKE HIM. I WALK AROUND CALIFORNIA.
YOU DON’T FIND MANY TRUMP
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. BUT HE HAD A CHANCE THERE TO
ACTUALLY WIN OVER PERHAPS SOME
OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON’T HATE HIM
WITH JUST KIND OF WHATEVER.
YOU KNOW, HE COULD HAVE JUST
COME OUT AND SAID, MY HEARTACHES
FOR THESE PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA.
WHAT CAN I DO?
THE ENTIRE POWER OF THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IS HERE, READY, NOW
WHAT DO YOU NEED THE TELL ME.
WHAT WOULD BE THE REACTION EVEN
FROM PEOPLE THAT DON’T LIKE HIM
IN L.A.?
IN L.A.? I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE GONE,
YOU KNOW WHAT, FAIR ENOUGH.
A BIT LIKE THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM OVERNIGHT.
REFORM OVERNIGHT. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT
HE’S DOING WHICH IF HE’D GET IT
RIGHT THE BASICS, MAYBE, MAYBE
SOME OF THE APPALLING TOXICITY
WHICH IS ENGULFING YOUR POLITICS
AS IT IS INDEED BRITAIN’S
POLITICS RIGHT NOW COULD BE
SLIGHTLY TEMPERED AND WE CAN
SOMEHOW WEECH POINTS OF
CONSENSUS AND AGREEMENT AND
FEELING A BIT OF COMMON CIVILITY
AND HUMANITY ON STUFF.
>> ON PARIS, HE ALSO TWEETED AN
ATTACK ON PRESIDENT MACRON, A
TERRORIST ATTACK IN FRANCE.
WE SAW MACRON REBUKE HIM TO HIS
FACE ABOUT NATIONALIVELY AND HE
AND MURKEL TAKE CARE OF MORE OF
THEIR OWN BUSINESS.
ARE YOU SEEING A SEPARATION
BETWEEN THE CONTINENT THE UK AND
THE UNITED STATES?
>> A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK MACRON PLACE TRUMP QUITE
WELL.
WELL. I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD DO WHAT
MACRON DISCUSS.
MACRON DISCUSS. HE SHOWS HIM RESPECT PERSONALLY
AND THE OFFICE OF THE
PRESIDENCY, BUT HE DOESN’T
HESITATE TO WHACK HIM ON POLICY
OR STATEMENTS HE’S MADE.
AND I THINK THAT IS A
SENSIBLEPLACESENSIBLE
SENSIBLEPLACESENSIBLE PLACE TO START WITH TRUMP.
IF YOU RIGHT "THE ARTD OF THE
DEAL," IF YOU WHACK HIM, HE WILL
KEEP WHACKING OVER UNTIL YOU ALL
DO, OR ONE OF YOU DOES.
IT’S WHAT HE ALWAYS DOES.
TAKE "CELEBRITY APPRENTICE," THE
POSSIBLE ANALOGY, FOR SIX WEEKS
I WAS IN THAT BOARDROOM FOR 100
HOURS WITH HIM.
I WATCHED HOW HE OPERATES HIM.
IF YOU WERE RESPECTFUL TO
MR. TRUMP THE APPRENTICE HOST.
THEN YOU CAN BE CRITICAL OF HIS
DECISION MAKING.
DECISION MAKING. IF IF YOU CALLED HIM DONALD AND
BEING DISRESPECTFUL,
BEING DISRESPECTFUL, DISRESPECTING THE SHOW, IF YOU
LIKE, BANG, YOU WERE STRAIGHT
OUT THE DOOR.
WHAT IT TAUGHT ME WAS, THAT’S
JUST THE WAY HE IS.
YOU CAN SAY IT’S WRONG.
YOU CAN BLINDLY HATE HIM FOR IT.
BUT IT’S THE WAY HE IS BUILT.
AND I THIS I THE MORE PEOPLE
THAT THEY TREATED LIKE MACRON,
JUST RESPECT THE OFFICE.
THAT’S WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE SAID
LAST WEEK.
LAST WEEK. I KIND OF AGREE WITH HIM.
LOOK AT THE MEDIA WROR WITH JIM
ACOSTA AND CNN AND TRUMP.
IT’S RELENTLESS, SO BORING.
IT’S NOT THE BIG STORY.
HOW TRUMP COULD HOSE LOSE THE
HOUSE IS THE BIGGEST STORY A CNN
REPORTER HAVING AN ARGUMENT.
>> IT WASN’T FROM US.
WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE
MID-TERMS FOR A LONG TIME.
>> THANK YOU.
>> HOW EXTRAORDINARY WE CONTINUE
TO TALK ABOUT MANAGING THE
EMOTIONS OF THE LEADER OF THE
FREE WORLD.
FREE WORLD. THANK YOU, PIERCE WILL BE GUEST
HOSTING "DAILY MAIL TV" TODAY
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