>>> A MAJOR LEGAL DEVELOPMENT IN
THE MAGA RIOT INVESTIGATION, TODAY THE FIRST GUILTY PLEA FROM
TODAY THE FIRST GUILTY PLEA FROM
A MEMBER OF THE FAR RIGHT OATH
KEEP
KEEPER.
CONSPIRACY AS IN THE PREPLANNING
OF THE INSURRECTION.
YOUNG AGREED TO COOPERATE AS
PART OF HIS PLEA DEAL.
THIS IS HUGE, REPORTEDLY OF 15
OTHER MEMBERS.
HOW MUCH HE COOPERATES COULD BE
THE KEY.
THE FIRST JANUARY 6th RIOTER WAS
SENTENCED.
THE 49-YEAR-OLD WOMAN ENTERED
THE CAPITOL AND WAS GIVEN THREE
YEARS OF PROBATION AND $500
FINE.
THE JUDGE REPUTED GOP LAWMAKERS
DOWN PLAYING THE IN SIGNATURE
RERKS SIGNATURE -- INSURRECTION.
SIGNATURE -- INSURRECTION.
THE DOJ IS RELEASING NEW VIDEOS.
ANOTHER SHOWING THEM STORMING
PAST POLICE OFFICERS ON A
STAIRWELL INTO THE CAPITOL. I WANT TO NOTE ANY EDITING ON
I WANT TO NOTE ANY EDITING ON
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>> JOINING ME NOW IS NEAL
NEAL KATAYAL.
I AM GOING TO START WITH THIS.
I CANT CONTAIN MY DISGUST OF
ANNOYANCE THAT THE FIRST PERSON
SENTENCED FROM THIS GOT
COMMUNITY SERVICE.
THIS IS A FINE OF SOMEBODY WHO
GOT CAUGHT BURNING PARK BENCHES
AFTER THEIR TEAM WON THE
CHAMPIONSHIP.
THIS WOMAN WAS INVOLVED AND
ATTEMPTED COUP.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHY THIS
WOMAN GOT SUCH A LIGHT SENTENCE?
>> THE SENTENCE AND HEARING
ITSELF IS QUITE INTERESTING.
I WILL TALK ABOUT THE SENTENCE
IN A SECOND.
THE HEARING, ONLY ONE SENTENCING
HEARING THAT THE DEFENDANT DID
NOT EVEN PARTICIPATED IN THE
VIOLENCE AND YET WE HAVE ALREADY
SEEN A FEDERAL JUDGE CAST
CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS FOR
THEIR RHETORIC OF JANUARY 6th.
IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG HOT
SUMMER FOR THE CAPITOL RIOT.
REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE
DEBUNKED BY THE RADIOIIOTERS THE
BEEN LYING ABOUT WITH THEIR
DEFENSE.
THE SENTENCE IS TOO LENIENT.
SHE ONLY ENTERED THE BUILDING
AND DIDNT KILL ANYBODY.
BUT SOMEONE BREAKS INTO MY HOME,
I KIND OF THINK JAIL TIME IS
APPROPRIATE.
THE LAW CALLED FOR SIX MONTHS OF
HER SENTENCE.
I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED.
SHE DOES NOT HAVE KNOWN TIES TO
EXTREMISTS BUT I DONT THINK IT
WAS THE RIGHT CALL.
WHAT THE JUDGE SAYS IT IS AN
EASIER CASE BECAUSE SHE ACCEPTED
HER RESPONSIBILITY.
SHE ONLY ACCEPTED HER
RESPONSIBILITY AFTER SHE GOT
BUSTED.
SHE WENT THE SHERIFFS OFFICE TO
GET A GUN PERMIT.
SHE TWEETED OF GOING TO THE
CAPITOL.
ARE WE EVER GOING TO HAVE
ACCEPTANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY
FROM THE STEAL CAUCUS IN
CONGRESS.
WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED THE
PERPETRATOR OF THE RIOT WHO ARE
MOST VOCAL ABOUT ITS VIOLENCE,
THE PERPETRATORS ARE NOT THE
PEOPLE IN CONGRESS.
IT IS JUST A REALLY IMPORTANT
JOB.
>> IT IS RIDICULOUS.
EVERY TIME I HEAR AND I AM GOING
TO ALWAYS APPLY WHAT I CALL THE
CRYSTAL MASON STANDARD.
IF A BLACK WOMAN CAN BE
SENTENCED TO FIVE YEARS IN JAIL
FOR VOTING IN TEXAS, THATS THE
MINIMUM I AM GOING TO LOOK AT
EVERY ONE OF THESE
INSURRECTIONISTS.
I WANT TO MOVE TO THE OATH
KEEPERS.
YOU GOT SEVERAL MEMBERS WHICH IS
A FAR-RIGHT ORGANIZATION LIKE A
LOT OF THESE GROUPS ARE AND LIKE
THE PROUD BOYS, YOU NOW HAVE
MEMBERS AND LEADERSHIP BASICALLY SAYING ALL RIGHT, I WILL FLIP
SAYING ALL RIGHT, I WILL FLIP
AND GIVE INFORMATION AND WHAT I
AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS -- HOW MUCH
CAN ONE LEADER OF AN
ORGANIZATION RATTING OUT
EVERYBODY ELSE CAN REALLY DO IF
EVERYONE ELSE SAYS HEY LOOK, I
WAS OPERATING INDEPENDENTLY. HOW STRONG IS THAT KIND OF
HOW STRONG IS THAT KIND OF
DELIVERING INFORMATION FROM
LEADERSHIP?
>> IT IS HUGE AND THATS WHATS
GOING ON.
HE FELL DUPED BY THE GROUP IN
COURT.
I HAVE A FEELING THAT YOUNG IS
NOT THE ONLY ONE FELT DUPED.
THE OTHERS WILL BE TALKING ABOUT
DONALD TRUMP.
JASON, HERE IS WHERE THE
CONSPIRACY DOCTRINE THAT GOES
BACK HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
I WROTE A BLOG ABOUT IT.
IT IS ALL ABOUT FLIPPING AND
EXTRACTING INFORMATION AND USING
IT AND LINKING TOGETHER ONE
DEFENDANT TO ANOTHER.
I THINK WHATS GOING ON HERE AND
IF YOU READ THESE INDICTMENTS,
THATS WHAT THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT TRYING TO DO.
THEYRE TRYING TO USE CONSPIRACY
DOCTRINE TO GET INFORMATION. SOME OF THE LEADERS OF THIS
SOME OF THE LEADERS OF THIS
GROUP REACHING IN CREPTYPTED
INFORMATION.
>> IT IS INTERESTING ALSO AND
THE NUMBER OF THESE LEADERS WHO
ARE DOING THE SAME THING.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF LEADERS IN
THESE ORGANIZATIONS THE MOMENT
THEY GOT HOT, SUDDENLY THEYRE
FLIPPING EVIDENCE ON EVERYBODY.
AS YOU ARE GETTING THIS KIND OF
INFORMATION FROM OATH KEEPERS
AND PROUD BOYS AND OTHER
ORGANIZATIONS, IS THERE GOING TO
BE A MOMENT OR DO YOU EXPECT US
TO FINALLY HEAR THAT SMOKING GUN
MOMENT WHERE SOMEBODY IN THE
ORGANIZATION ADMITS TO OR
PROVIDE
PROVIDING THAT SOMEBODY IN
CONGRESS HAS HELPED.
THE LEVEL OF SOPHISTICATION FOR
THE ATTACK, IT IS HARD TO
ENVISION THAT THIS WAS DONE WITH
A COUPLE OF TOURS AND CHECKING
SCHOOLHOUSE ROCK OF HOW THE
CAPITOL LOOKS.
THERE WERE REAL CONCERNS THAT
STAFFERS OR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
HELP.
DO YOU THINK WELL HEAR THAT
SOON FROM THE LEADERS OF THESE
ORGANIZATIONS WHO WERE APART OF
THE PLANNING PROCESS?
>> I WOULD SAY TWO THINGS ABOUT
THAT.
EVEN IF YOU DONT HAVE A SMOKING
GUN OR ANYTHING, THE MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS.
IN DIRECT SUPPORT, THATS
ALREADY IN THE RECORD, NOW THERE
IS A NO UNKNOWN, THATS BEYOND
THAT.
THE DIRECT MATERIALS SUPPORT
THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
IT WOULD NOT SHOCK ME GIVEN ALL
THE LENGTHS WHICH REPUBLICANS
ARE GOING AND BLOCK THE JANUARY
6th COMMISSION.
THEY MUST HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE
WHEN THE PEOPLES HOUSE HAVE
BEEN ATTACKED AND BLOOD HAVE
BEEN SPILLED IN THE CAPITOL AND
THEYRE AFRAID TO HAVE AN
INVESTIGATION.
THEY MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING.
I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
THATS WHY I THINK THIS JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATION IS
BEING DONE IN A METICULOUS,
CAREFUL WAY.
IF THAT EVIDENCE EXISTS, THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE IT.
IF IT DOES NOT EXIST, THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE
ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE AND NO
STONES IS LEFT UNTURNED.
THEY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING AND
DECIDED THAT WAS THE PIECE OF
EVIDENCE.
>> ONE LAST THING ON THIS, AS
YOU SAID YOU HAVE REPUBLICANS IN
THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND SOME IN
THE HOUSE VOTED FOR THE JANUARY
6th COMMISSION AND ALL
REPUBLICANS DIDNT VOTE FOR IT.
NOW THAT WE HAVE HEARD NANCY
PELOSI IS LIKE LOOK, WELL
INVESTIGATE THIS.
DO YOU THINK THAT INVESTIGATION
THEYRE GOING TO HAVE ON THE
HOUSE SIDE, DOES THAT HELP OR
HARM THESE INDIVIDUAL
PROSECUTIONS HAPPENING AROUND
THE COUNTRY WITH THE PEOPLE
INVOLVED IN THE INSURRECTION?
>> THEY SOMETIMES HAVE THE
POSSIBILITY OF HARMING BECAUSE
SOMETIMES YOU GET IMMUNITY OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN CONGRESS
AND IT COULD MESS UP THE
CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, THAT IS
WHATS HAPPENING.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THESE
RULES AND LAWS ARE PRETTY WELL
BAKED INTO THINGS AND HOUSE
INVESTIGATEORS HAVE TO BE CAREFU
AND NOT TO STEP ON THE TOES OF
CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS THAT IS
ARE ONGOING.
IT IS A SHAME THAT REPUBLICANS
WERE AFRAID TO DO THIS IN A
BIPARTISAN WAY.